Idk if this is the right board for it this but why is pedophilia considered a mental disorder by the DSM if...

You're just writing a longer version of 'no more than politics'.

The point I'm trying to make is, bad actions done out of mental disorders can be defended in the court as unintentional and due to the mental issues, which would pave the way for the pedophiles to go to mental health clinics with comfy little sessions rather than going to their jail cell and getting what they deserve.

whats your fucking point
forcing kids to touch your wiener is not ok
it will fucking ruin their lifes

Pedophilia isn't a mental disorder in that it doesn't impair your life. it is just frowned on by society. /pol/ autists can't see the difference between what DIRECTLY makes your life difficult and what causes OTHERS to make your life difficult. Both pedophilia and homosexuality fall into the latter category. Actual mental illnesses like schizophrenia and gender dysphoria fall into the former. Homosexuality and pedophilia is a problem simply because others make it a problem.

> Homosexuality and pedophilia is a problem simply because others make it a problem.
what ?

It ruins their lifes because of the social stigma, created ( duh) by the society itself, the whore and faggot concepts couldn't be applied in someone "innocent and cute" as a child so the adult is the beast. I'm OK with the 0 to 7 yo are really stupid and any sexual act is rape but 8 to 17 they are smart and can be educated to know what is happening. It is rape too but the punishment should be lesser if it was consensual

The answer is simple, gays aren't harmful because usually they go for other gays and have mutual consent, pedophiles have no options other than rape or no action

Well pedophilia is a special case from all those. Two consenting people can fuck each other as much as they like. Which gives freedom to gays, trannies, lesbians and everyone except for people who want incest I think. But underage children cannot consent to having sex, so if you attempt it it counts as child rape, which is why it's a different subject from the rest by default.

Of course. You can lead a normal life as a gay or pedo the entire problem comes from other people disapproving of your choice of partner. Alexander the Great was gay and he was hailed as a hero in his time, his lifestyle wasn't seen as an impairment. Alan Turing was vilified despite also doing heroic things. The only difference between the two was the era they lived in

Anyway this association of gays and pedophiles is the weakest /pol/ strawman ever. Yes they are similar in that it's just a choice of partner but they are different in that one causes harm to non-consenting individuals and the other does not

>8 year olds
>ok to fuck
It's funny that Veeky Forums will support this shit but somehow gays are evil.

Stop using pol boogeyman, it makes you look like a dumb SJWtard if you aren't one already. There are pedophiles trying to associate themselves with homosexuals in some way to gain acceptance by using such arguments.

What's the point of psychology if you can't even do most of the published experiments again and get the same results?

So why are they banning my drawn loli porn?
> muh slipperly slope

Well I've only ever seen /pol/ doing the association. Maybe you're right but /pol/ is also to blame.

Couse they dont know that fapping to drawn loli decreases probability that you will go and rape real loli. They think that is they give you drawn porn you will be more interested in trying that shit for yourself.

pol isn't a person. many users from many boards also browse pol which is why pol has 500 times more users than most boards. I'd ask you ro define pol or prove that someone is from pol but you seem to follow sjwtard shitposting protocols to the letter so nevermind.

1. Calling out a fallacy isn't an argument. Incidentally, trying to do so is actually a fallacy in and of itself.
2. Fallacies pertain to logic driven instances in formal debate. Rarely elsewhere.
It's not the slippery slope fallacy when applied to observable human behavior. The old adage that if you give a man an inch he'll take a mile is a commonly observed behavior and can be a legitimate concern in cases like this. There is a time and place for taking one action to its logical conclusion.

The logical conclusion for allowing faggots to fag it up with eachother is that two consenting faggots go stuff themselves.

The logical conclusion for pedophilic behavior acceptance is that someone acts on their pedophilia and a child who society deems incapable of consent is damaged in the process.

I personally will not argue for the complete condemnation of someone who looks at drawn loli porn, but I do not accept their behavior either.

People like you don't understand children can love, too.

>Couse they dont know that fapping to drawn loli decreases probability that you will go and rape real loli.
Excellent anecdote. I would suggest that fapping to depictions of children normalizes the concept of fucking children and increases the likelihood you will do it. You can be angry with my opinion, but considering you have provided no evidence of your claim, why should I?

OP here. I'm not asking because I'm aa pedophile, I'm asking because I think homosexuality should be called what it is, a disorder. Why is necrophilia or zoophilia a disorder but not homosexuality if they're both sexual deviations from the norm?

People like you don't understand why theres an age consent limit on sex, buying alcohol, getting a drivers license, getting certain surgeries, etc...

saying "pol isn't a person" is a cop out because you and I both know that most of the board hates niggers, jews and gays therefore how is it sjw to say that a board known for hating gays is behind this anti-gay strawman?

See

>Why is necrophilia or zoophilia a disorder but not homosexuality
Same fucking reason everyone has been telling you for pedophilia, is this really that hard for you to understand? Necrophilia offends the family of the corpse you are desecrating, zoophilia has consent issues and unlike the homosexual aids panic actually is known to create disease.

Moreover, if we define a disorder as having to affect the afflicted in a negative way, then homosexuality can absolutely be defined as a disorder. Take the Orlando shooter for example. The dude basically hated himself for being gay and decided to take the lives of himself and other gays as a result. Clearly the dude was mentally ill but under our current definitions the guy just had a "different sexual expression." What a load of horseshit imo.

So just because it doesn't harm anyone it's suddenly not a mental illness? What kind of logic is that?

> anti-gay
only sjwtards grasp at straws by trying to build an argument by mislabelling any question or comment as "hate,racism,sexism", such as a simple unloaded question as OPs, which has no implications of hatred of any kind. Which is why you're a laughing stock for everyone and nobody takes you seriously.

I bet you'll keep getting triggered and defend your fellow sjwtards, oh well...

The answer is two-fold. The two aspects to consider are perception and cause.

Regarding perception, society has reached a point where homosexuality is much more acceptable now than it was earlier. We realize (or think) now that someone can be gay around our kids or around us without having a negative effect on us. Or even further, we think our kids themselves can be gay without it having a negative effect on us religiously or for whatever reason. However, pedophilia obviously has the potential to negatively effect our children. So that's why one is much more looked down upon than the other.

Now, regarding the mental illness aspect, the reason pedophilia is considered a mental illness while murder/thievery are not is that we as a society have come to understand that pedophilia is extremely closely related with abuse in the pasts of the afflicted, and it's not like murder of thievery where they're usually motivated by some simple reason (after all if you're a kleptomaniac or a psychopath then than mental illness too, not just wanting someone else's money). The power aspect is sometimes involved (where the abuser wants the victim to be hurt in some way), but not always.

wow how can a board claim to be high IQ yet say such retarded things. He hated himself for being gay because society told him that being gay is wrong. Being gay didn't cause him to shoot up the club. If society was accepting of homosexuals then these things wouldn't happen. It's it's like saying virginity is a mental illness because Elliott Rodger shot up a school because he hated himself for being a virgin. it was outside pressure from society that led to it not the virginity itself.

Homosexuality meets all the usual criteria for a mental disorder in the DSM, but psychiatry is influenced more by politics than objective reason.

They didn't even adjust their definition of mental disorder in such a way that would exclude homosexuality, they just bowed to political pressure and arbitrarily started leaving it out, while continuing to include things like schizoid personality disorder and hypomania.

>society told him that being gay is wrong

You could make the same argument for any disorder. Just saying.

look at this thread, it's 2016 and we're still having discussions as to whether homosexuality is a mental illness or not. There is still a lot of homophobia in society
So you're trying to say that OP's demands that someone's choice of partner should be classified as illness is not hateful? If I called you mentally ill for liking tall women how would you feel?

>He hated himself for being (afflicted by a metal illness) because society told him that being (afflicted by a mental illness) is wrong (or bad/undesirable)
>Being (afflicted by a mental illness) didn't cause him to shoot up the club
>If society was accepting of (people afflicted by a mental illness) then these things wouldn't happen.

I'm not afraid of gays anymore than I'm afraid of people who have autism or ADHD. Homophobia is such retarded term. I feel bad for them for having to deal with their illness.

We call them 'opinions', so theres a new word for you to look it up. I wouldn't feel anything, I'd just say that thats my preference and everyone including him and I are entitled to our own opinions. You'd need to be a special kind of retard to try so hard to misinterpret that as hateful.

>homophobia means scared of gays
This is called being autistic
Please explain how liking men compels one to shoot people. I don't know if you're shitposting or just a retard.

Both homosexuality and pedophilia should be considered mental illnesses.

What do you think phobia means? Are you retarded?

I never said you shouldn't have your opinion I am saying that you are trying to hide that it is a hateful opinion. You don't like gays just admit it and stop being obtuse
With other disorders thare's a reason why you would kill people spontaneously (hearing voices, paranoia etc) with homosexuality there is no logical link from sucking a dick to shooting up a town. It's called using your commons sense. Again you're being obtuse to make that argument for you know there's no causality between being gay and being violent. There's sometimes a correlation but that's due to ostracism from society.

This entire argument is pointless. Just admit you hate gays, ok cool freedom of speech and all that, just stop trying to rationalize it.

he is. ignore him

Pedophilia is the attraction to young peeps, while homo- or heterosexuality is just a gender preference. It's about consent.

I think there's a better response to than 's. There are plenty of people who hate themselves for being black, and there are plenty of people who hate themselves for being white. Obviously a skin color would never be considered a mental illness. The real problem was his perception and low self esteem or whatever. Maybe society did tell him being gay is wrong, but technically society tells us everything. It's just our subjective perceptions that make us react differently to sensory input.

So basically is retarded, and , while well-intentioned, kind of misses the mark.

> you are secretly hateful and I just know it.
So are gay people hateful heterophobics to the point where they rebel against being straight and turn gay ? Wow we must definitely do something about these hateful horrible people.

I'm not saying that so I'm not going to defend that. I'm just pointing out that everything you say as a counter argument to the whole homosexuality is an illness argument can be used as a counter argument for any other mental illness. Face it, homosexuality is an illness. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck, it's probably a duck. Nothing about homosexuality makes it significantly different from other sexualities that are classified as disorders.

this is a social issue not a scientific one

POPPING A BONER IS NOT A CRIME.
If you feel uncomfortable with your boner, go talk to a doctor about it.

Okay so why is pedophilia a disorder then? A disorder is something that affects the afflicted individual in a negagive way, independently of how it affects others, right?

You know the dictionary definition of "homophobia" is "hate" not "fear" so again stop being obtuse. Seriously fuck this board, instead of anyone admitting they're wrong they resort to the most childish and autistic hair splitting just to look smart.
Wahey someone gets it.Thank you. As I said totally being obtuse to pretend that it wasn't obviously low self esteem that caused the shooting as opposed to merely being gay.

So does acrophobia mean hatred of heights? What about agoraphobia? Smh.

You need to look up what "hate" means before you go on about your fragile crusade of demonizing everyone who's not wearing a rainbow colored tshirt.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia#Homosexuality_and_non-heterosexuality
i.e some people smarter than you sat down and decided there was a difference.

Jesus christ what is wrong with you? The fucking word means whatever the dictionary says it means. The Greek root isn't the be all end all of the definition. Fucking autismus maximus

Sorry if the world doesn't keep up with your definitions thats pulled out of someones ass. Let me know when you learn to use correct terminology for half the shit you say.

>A 2012 literature study by clinical psychologistJames Cantor, when comparing homosexuality with paraphilias, found that both share "the features of onset and course (both homosexuality and paraphilia being life-long), but they appear to differ on sex ratio, fraternal birth order, handedness, IQ and cognitive profile, and neuroanatomy".
> they appear to differ on sex ratio, fraternal birth order, handedness, IQ and cognitive profile, and neuroanatomy
What the fuck? Are these really the only distinctions?

Come on man seriously? Just look at my other post (). Pedophilia is considered a disorder because it negatively affects society and constantly affects the individual. Kleptomania is a disorder too, ya know, even though stealing stuff usually makes the thief richer....

>the word means whatever the dictionary says it means
That's all I need to hear to know what kind of person I'm dealing with.

Thats one "study" out of literally millions. I personally think someones past and what he/she's been fed has much more weight for someone to turn into a pedo. A decent portion of pedos are abused as children themselves.

Paraphilia in general is bullshit
>"No consensus has been found for any precise border between unusual sexual interests and paraphilic ones.[2][3] There is debate over which, if any, of the paraphilias should be listed in diagnostic manuals"
There's just fetish and sexual orientation. Fetishes are a subset of orientations. pedophilia is a fetish because it's exactly like being into MILFs except it's the opposite age. Homosexuality is an orientation. because you are oriented the same way as women are i.e towards men.

Does autism affect ADHD society negatively, and doesn't homosexuality constantly affect the individual?

>He hated himself for being gay because society told him that being gay is wrong.
If you pay any attention, nature also tells you that being gay is wrong.

Look around the world and back through history: it's not that by some wild coincidence, most of the civilized modern world came to reject gay sex as acceptable behavior, it's that only those societies which did reject homosexuality that survived and prospered to set the standards of the modern world.

When we started to relax the standards, we quickly got the GRID (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency) epidemic, renamed with stunningly-evasive political correctness as HIV/AIDS. This disease could never have reached a self-sustaining critical mass without homosexuality being tolerated. It had to spread through the promiscuous male homosexual population first, before settling into the straight population, like a pile of charcoal won't ignite from one match without lighter fluid.

>Being gay didn't cause him to shoot up the club. If society was accepting of homosexuals then these things wouldn't happen.
Being mentally defective made him gay and made him shoot up the club. Two aspects of the same flaw.

>It's it's like saying virginity is a mental illness because Elliott Rodger shot up a school because he hated himself for being a virgin. it was outside pressure from society that led to it not the virginity itself.
Holy shit, you're actually blaming Elliott Rodger's crimes on "outside pressure from society"?

Crazy people going on rampages isn't a reason for everybody else to reorganize society to try and avoid setting off crazy people.

Name said rational basis, gaybo.

>exceot fetishes
Nigger, please. A person who eats another person's shit clearly has a mental disorder.

Also, it depends on how you define paedophilia. If it just anyone that is attracted to people below the age of consent then that is foolish. The AoC is arbitrary and inconsistent between countries. It should only apply to prepubescent children. There is nothing wrong with being attracted to a ripe 14 year old who is nicely developed and prime for breeding. Perfectly natural actually.

Well I only made that distinction because I had foot fetish in mind when I wrote that and that isn't as bad as some BDSM shit. But yeah I guess that stuff could also be considered a mental disorder.

I've never seen a sexy eight year old.

Pedos who are just attracted to children are one step below of becoming actual rapists. Any red flags like that will get you on FBI watchlist so you don't ruin a childs life forever.

>dat everything
Ok, gonna need sauce.

Did you just say foot fetish is a mental disorder ?

One involves consensual activity between adults.
One involves exploiting the vulnerability of children.

A sexual relationship between different levels of social power is almost universally exploitative and should be avoided when possible.
There's the added layer that a child is still a developing personality, and extremely vulnerable to lifelong psychological trauma from being exploited.

>but it's possible for an adult and a child to have a healthy, fulfilling sexual relationship for both parties

You might convince me that's true. You won't convince me it's likely, or even more than a statistical improbability.

>so you don't ruin a childs life forever.
>but giving your prepubescent child hormones that will greatly interfere with their development will greatly improve your child's life

> but giving your prepubescent child hormones
hows that ? and how does it relate to sexual intercourse ?

Daniela navarro.

Possibly. Depends on if bdsm is also a fetish. I don't think drinking someone's piss is normal.

So I guess you think liking boobs or butts is also a mental disorder.

The assumption is that "children" cannot consent to sex thus any kind of intercourse is assumed to be extremely damaging to te "child" mentally.

On the contrary, a child can apparently fully consent to hormone treatment to undergo "gender reassignment" thus resulting in various and potentially irreversible changes.

No because thats the norm.

This is the last reply I'm giving because this thread is /pol/ mouthbreather-tier
>it's not that by some wild coincidence
Or maybe it is. Where's the proof for either? The civilized world got civilized due to the order of Abrhamic religion. The religion just happened to dislike gays. If your argument is right then you are basically trying to say that Abrhamic religions were well designed and not just the random word of a sheep herder. Veeky Forums is not the place to be saying these things. Furthermore Japan was historically always pro-gay right up to Western influence in the 1800s and they did fine. I just don't understand you have just thrown a correlation at me without any proof of causation. How is this science?
>When we started to relax the standards, we quickly got the GRID (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency) epidemic
Again palming off more coincidences as proof that gay is bad.
>renamed with stunningly-evasive political correctness as HIV/AIDS
oh yes what a dumb PC idea it was to rename an illness that affects more straights than gays as not gay-specific
>This disease could never have reached a self-sustaining critical mass without homosexuality being tolerated
Tell that to Africa dumbass

Ok so I see all your arguments against homosexuality are based on a) it was banned by the west for centuries and b) it easily spreads AIDS. The fatal flaw in all of this is that none of it applies to lesbians. Western society has never really cared about them and they have lower STI rates than even straight people. Therefore all your arguments for homosexuality being bad are BTFO as it only applies to one type. You can say male homosexuality is a mental illness but why not female homosexuality? It's the exact same though process no?

Finally a fun fact for you. The west has never actually banned homosexuality. the Bible prohibits sodomy. Saying you love another man the church has nothing against that and never did.

Well, it depends on what you mean by pedophilia. Being attracted to pre-pubescent children is definitely a disorder, but being attracted to say a 12 year old is pretty normal in my book.

Foot feitshes are pretty common too, you know.

Mental disorders are based on norms.
The only reason that dropping unconscious for a third of every day isn't considered a crippling mental defect is because everybody does it.

If the vast majority of your species had a seizure every time they heard a 30khz tone, it wouldn't be considered a disorder, just a weird aspect of the human condition.

Human breasts are almost unique among earthly life.

You don't call a peahen a weirdo for being attracted to a peacock's tail.

The minimum age requirement for someone to have that surgery is the same as someone consenting to have sexual intercourse, which is 16-18

Good to hear that you will fuck off with your hatespeech sjwtard.

I guess it's not then. Then it's not a really fetish isn't it?

It's not the norm. There is no written context in what the norm is and there never was.

Liking feet is literally not different than liking any other part of the body. It's made of the exact same substance. People find feet aesthetic just as they find boobs, butts, hands, thighs, calves, abs and any other part of the body aesthetics.
And I personally find feet to have more elegant features than other parts of the body.

I'm going to add to this.
I am not attracted to breasts. At all.

I think they look weird and they seem very inconvenient to their owners.
Hell, I find other men's obsessions with a big rack of chest fat irritating. Something in my brain tells me they're kind of stupid and weird for getting all worked up over some blobby subcutaneous adipose tumors.

But I accept that this is unusual. You could call it a disorder and I wouldn't argue. It doesn't bother me because it doesn't affect my life one way or another.

fag

No. Liking feet is unusual.
Liking breasts is usual.

Accept that you're abnormal. Why should you care if it doesn't interfere with your life?
Find someone who likes you to lick their feet, and give you a footjob, maybe toe your anus.

So you're not one of the 9/10 people that either don't care about feet or think they're gross. You're not normal but you're also not suffering for it.

It becomes a problem if your fetish is disemboweling people. Or fucking children.

Ok.
Feel better about yourself?

> No. Liking feet is unusual.
> Liking breasts is usual.
what are you even basing that on ?

> So you're not one of the 9/10 people that either don't care about feet or think they're gross.
citation needed so badly

>the be all end all
you sound like my Grandpa