Is space colonization possible this century?

Yes, and it was possible last century too. We just choose not to.

Belief in evolution is haram
Western education is haram
Science is haram

>I used to be a muslim,
haram, you must be killed its the only punishment for apostasy

Also postifarinisam is haram, only jews and Christians as people of the book can be allowed to live if they pay 70% jezia tax, there children stolen as gifts for my right hand. All budists and seeks and shintos and hindus will be exicuted with out mercy

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The solar system is a pretty damn big place, you could have billions of people living on mars & venus

If its possible to live and breed at .1-.2 of a G, then living on those outer solar system moons is also possible.
Or just setting up mobile space stations that go around mining asteroids/moons

All of this stuff is extremely possible, the real bottle neck is lifting tonnage to orbit.
We've been stagnant on that for decades now, as noone has been interested in increasing space capabilities.

Imagine if NASA had selected an actually practical 2/3 stage to orbit methane powered reusable rocket back in the 70's
Where would we be now?

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>gets called terrorist
>don't be muslim anymore
>still gets called terrorists
you /pol/tards are just as irrational as these sandniggers, go fuck yourself

2040s seems extremely optimistic to me. It's just that there's no good reason to do it. The Space Race had a lot of benefits come from it, but we didn't do it just because, it was to beat the Soviets. There's no compelling reason to focus on Mars, and little guaranteed to come from the billions spent to set up there.

Why would billions of people want to live on Venus?

I'm not sure billions of people even *could* live on Venus. If anyone's going to live there at all, it will have to be on some sort of suspended platform in the upper atmosphere. I can't see billions of people wanting to do that.

As for Mars; I don't expect 'billions' of people will want to live there until it's terraformed, which certainly won't happen within 100 years. You might convince a few million people to go there, but I can't imagine billions of people doing it.

Given that at the moment our most ambitious plan is to send 100 people at a time, a lot of improvements would have to take place before it would be possible to send millions of people to Mars within the century.

If we survive to get to the point of being able to cross galactic distances, it'd probably be more feasible to just stay inside our ships entirely. There'd be no need to settle planets. You can build the ships to be as big as you need them to, and I'm sure VR would be perfected by that point making needing a 'real' beach or something pointless. Plus if other alien races are a threat or concern then staying on ships lets you maintain mobility.

Terraforming could also be a pain and take a long time. And there are no 'artificial' atmospheres, you have to make a real one. There's probably only a few planets that match Earth in the galaxy anyways. Trying to find ones that happen to have a tolerable atmosphere, climate, day length, etc. that conform to human adaptations would be a pain. Or if you can engineer humans to be more adaptable, better off to just stay in super ships.

Offworld will always involve living in large climate controlled environments. Where it is doesn't change the local living environment, other than gravity.

>I can't see billions of people wanting to do that.
It's just a place to live.

Maybe billions is an exagerration though, considering most of the population of the world is human trash, and the white population is less than 1 billion & declining.

Yes but no one is willing to pay for it.

>go to space
>live in dome
yfw you can just live in a dome on earth

But we will have to go offworld to escape the oppressive socialist world government m8

No.

People don't know how to use toilets, therefore it is impossible that our species will ever dominate other planets.

What direction would Muslims pray in on another planet?

Holy shit it is haram.

>The advancement of technology only gets faster
[citation needed]
Most technological advancement is difficult to quantify, and even "muh exponential growth" doesn't mean breakthroughs come closer together in time.
It could just mean increasingly complex technologies come out at roughly regular intervals.
For example: telegraph, telephone, radio, tv, internet.
These technologies are spaced decades apart, and the gap is growing, not shrinking.

>we might just enter a VR world instead
Why not both?
There's already plenty of people that just smoke weed and play x-box all day.
Is that a threat to space exploration?

>I think we've got quite a good chance of having a self-sufficient colony on Mars by the 2040s; maybe with tens of thousands of people there.
I think we will have humans on Mars by 2040, but hardly a handful of them.

>Interstellar travel is not possible

Do you think, that if humanity still exists in maybe 10.000 years it would be undertaken?
I mean the technologie of 2100 is not comprehensible for us.
But much more import is the financial buying power of large union states like the USA, EU and in the future maybe a global UN state.

If you look at china, what they are building, the scale and quantity, its mind blowing.

If humanity still exists in 12016 I would imagine that every country on earth is at least in a matured state far beyond that of the us 2100. Even states like Sudan or Uzbekistan. A global state with intersolar economy and robot armies who build and research and are participating on a much higher level in the economy and maybe culture if we happen to create friendly superintelligent Ai which happens to have consciousness, the power such a civilization would have would be in the realms of science fiction.

And building a large fleet of o'neill cylinders, strapped together and shielded against meteoroids by simultaneously holding tenths of thousand of people and robots would be an small endower.

A fusion reactor with enough material to power a small sized city for a few thousand years would be possible. You just have to travel long enough to reach other solar systems in our galaxy

Traveling to other galaxies though, is not possible beyond our local cluster

I should start SSing every nihilistic space colonization post for a glorious colab to post on the day that we land on mars for the first time
>no good reason
come now lad people have been telling you the reasons for a long time at this point
>There's probably only a few planets that match Earth in the galaxy anyways
considering how many are "earthlike" within 100 light years I'd say that this isn't the case
government on a newly colonized mars will likely be very oppressive and socialist out of necessity
food needs to be rationed, housing needs to be managed, etc. etc. if the colony is going to survive. No place for social stratification in a small(ish) offworld colony
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The only threat to space exploration is the government's lack of willingness to fund it.

So the more the economy goes down, the more discontent people are, the less likely we are to explore space.

Only an opressive socialist world government would ever be able to marshal the resources necessary for offworld colonization, m8. There's no profit potential in it, so capitalism will never accomplish it. It would take our entire world civilization bent towards such a goal for decades, if not centuries, to ever succeed at such a task.

Interstellar travel isn't something that can be done through building lots of shit like China. It requires things that we don't understand how to do, if they can even be done at all. If humanity exists in 12016, there's a much greater chance that it will be in small agrarian or hunter-gatherer bands. It's much more likely that we'll be gone, having destroyed the earth's ability to sustain us.

we'll be off planet in 10 years
we'll be off solar system in 500
mark my words

Interstellar travel can be done slow & steadily today

And as technology continues to develop over the next 50 years, it'll look even more practical.
Obviously theres no point going interstellar any time soon given the unlimited amounts of resources/space just in our solar system.

And like Trump said, we gotta fix our problems here on earth or else there will NEVER be anything done in space.

I'll be sure to come back to this thread in 500 years to rub our extinction into your face.

Yeah, there's a very good chance that we'll expand in our own solar system. The odds of doing anything else are stacked very heavily against us.

hehe see you then m8

Not impossible.
Veeky Forums is archieved.

If google manages to create an agi by 2025
This agi becomes super intelligent (or not) by 2030
Solves every human disease like cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer
By 2040, then you can come back 2516 and (not) rub it in his virtual avatars face

it's possible but it won't happen

Many imams have said that space travel/exploration is okay as long as it isn't to do anything theologically fishy or a suicide mission

>all these shitposts about other meme planets

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space habitats are a meme
whats the point of em?
Obviously you go to other worlds to mine & live use its resources.

The space habitats that will be built are either in LEO around earth, or mobile mining habitats

There are only a very few ways it can be done. Most people, even those with intelligence, money, power, and the want to do it, don't know how to do it properly.

Living on other worlds in the solar system isn't one of them.

Building an maintaing space solar power satellites from lunar resources. Also tax havens and casinos.

what the does the hell does "theologically" fishy means?

Is colonizing the moon "space colonization" ?

Are you retarded?

/pol/ is a board of peace. Do not generalize the board based on the actions of a few.

Of course.

When the AI that exterminates us moves out into the universe to convert it to computronium, it will do so quickly and without hesitation.

Yes it is

We'll have a functioning colony on Mars by 2050 and we'll have a spaceport in orbit where crews can refuel and get catapulted onto a trajectory that will set them for moons like Titan

See, this is why we don't have you guys on NASA running this show

Why the fuck would you put PEOPLE on mother fucking VENUS let alone sending a space craft there only to die without doing anything useful?

Russia sent a probe to Venus, it got there.

It's roasting under the sun senpai

Why would you put men on mars??
They will just die because there is no oxygen or atmosphere
retard

Goat fuckers are inbreeded retards. They deserve no respect,regardless of religion.

...said the redneck

Not even American. Mena countries are cancer,and they should be nuke to protect civilization as we know it.

Let me guess, you're born into a middle class family with a nice house where they provided you with food and education and you think everyone's life is as easy as yours ?

yes, we will live off the land. we will construct cabins from space trees, catch space fish, spear space animals, farm space fields, and enslave space people. we'll make tons of money sending back space rubber and space bananas in enchange for earth gold.

>middle class family
Yes. Like most people in my country. Still muslims are inbreed retards. You cant contradict data,because your feelings

Yea because everyone is starving outside the first world, and its totally the fault of white racism huh?
No doubt you believe its a crime that in the west we can profit from the hard work & success of our ancestors

once there's a base on the moon (guessing early/late 2030s) and combined with the emergence of algorithm technology, then yeah, probably by 2040-50 there'll be regular space travel.

going to the moon is largely pointless
Takes more delta V than going to mars

Other than a flag showing operation ofc

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Scientificlly, yes. Practically no, because of our governments

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Venus floating cities. On venus, breathable air is lighter than Venus' atmosphere. This allows colonies to be built above Venus' sulfuric acid cloud layer. The temperature and pressure there are the most Earth like in the solar system. One could go outside at this altitude wearing little more than a poncho and oxygen tank.

I'm sorry to ask, but what is the point?

>Fucking this
Those edges!

radiation? wouldn't the sun's rays be stronger?

>All of this stuff is extremely possible, the real bottle neck is lifting tonnage to orbit.

Psst, wanna really lift shit to orbit?

Lifting shit to orbit cheaply and easily was solved by Stanislaw Ulam and Cornelius Everett back in 1955.

Yes, it is. 2611 W/m^2 baby, which means solar panels generate more power. 2611 W/m^2 isn't enough to burn you (maybe you'd get a pretty nasty sun burn if you sunbathed too long). Oh and I forgot to mention that the atmosphere is thick enough at this altitude that radiation from space isn't a problem.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus

ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20030022668_2003025525.pdf

I never said I would put men on mars.

Autist

Nothing on Venus' atmosphere is anywhere near earth.

Venus is too hot for mankind

Sort of this. Currently humans cannot survive in space without large amounts of infrastructure. One way to build this infrastructure in a reasonable time period and a reasonable cost is with self-replicating robot factories.

You send up one, have it replicate a couple cycles, BAM! You have an industrial base in space from which you can build colonies.

NASA investigated making self-replicating factories for the Moon in the 1980s:
islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/

Since then technology has advanced and some of the basic technical feasibility tests they proposed have been passed.

This. We had the technology last century. And the reason? Standard of living and zero-g manufacturing with easy access to resources.
Did I mention the temperature is whatever the populace decides and weather is scheduled?

>>Nothing on Venus' atmosphere is anywhere near earth.

Please refer to table 1 in pic related. At 55 km, temperature is 302 K, or 84 in american units. While the pressure is a livable 0.52 atm. Some cities on Earth such as La Paz have lower pressures than this.

at 50 km, pressure is ~ 1 atm and temperature ranges from 0-50 C. In addition, at these altitudes the atmosphere provides adequate radiation shielding and gravity is close to earth like.

Table 1 taken from: citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.195.172&rep=rep1&type=pdf

More on Venus colonization here:
ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20030022668.pdf

>>Standard of living and zero-g manufacturing with easy access to resources.
Actually it was more about putting enough people and a manufacturing base up to churn out solar power satellites to provide clean energy for Earth.

It actually makes economic sense if you have as much money as a global super power, the space shuttle didn't suck, and some new cheap energy source doesn't get invented in the 20 years it takes to pay back the initial investment

I'm no pleb. A copy of The High Frontier sits proudly on my bookcase. With modern automation turning the lunar surface into solar panels via roving 3D printing drones.
By the time we've reached peak moon-solar, we'll probably have long switches to fusion reactors.
The only short term reason I see for orbital space colonies is economic advantage of manufacturing, controlled gravity, living conditions, etc.
Long term it's a great safeguard for humanity and the best way to continue increasing human population, thereby progressing technology and human development.

>functioning colony on Mars

When you have to trade out people for new people because of health restriction of low gravity, it isn't a "colony" it is merely a foothold or base.

>oops forgot about dem hellwinds (300-400km/h)

ur ded

Compared to a Category 5 hurricane wind speed of 252 km/h.

>>With modern automation turning the lunar surface into solar panels via roving 3D printing drones.
Moon solar tis a silly idea. Because the distance is huge you need huge antenna apertures, because the moon isn't sunny all the time you need a complex arrangement of reflectors to generate continuous power.

Now solar paving the moon is fucking cool. Ignatiev came up with quite a simple process to make solar panels on the moon by paving them:
www.niac.usra.edu/files/library/meetings/annual/jun00/433Ignatiev.pdf

On fusion power, if fusion power plants costs are similar to that of current day fission plants, the adoption rate of fusion power will probably be slow and you are fine.(I will have to find the study on this) However, someone could damn well invent the Mr. Fusion and you'd be screwed. The uncertainty in future electrical prices is a problem here.

Winds aren't a problem if you move with the wind. The Vega balloons did just fine moving with the wind:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega_program#Balloon

This.

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Project Orion could have allowed a kind of space colonization only imagined in SF and it could have done so decades ago.

Granted, we're talking reasonable levels of colonization. Alberta, Canada is sparsely populated. The North Sea is sparsely populated and only by oil rigs.

Still, people live there pretty much full-time and that's what matters. Even if in 100 years, only 1000 people live in space full-time, it's still off-world colonization. Even if they're asteroid miners, space construction personnel, etc. then it's still worth it and it's a huge boon to the economy of Earth.

Those handful of offworld workers equate to hundreds or thousands of same on Earth given the abundance of energy and resources. Even if we only exploit cis-lunar space, the potential economic expansion is immense.

Asteroid mining doesn't get you platinum group metals at current market values, it'd naturally depress spot prices for things like gold, platinum, palladium, etc. but that's not the real value. You don't SELL the metals outright, you sell rights to the metals to various companies, you make them bid.

If you can control input prices for entire industries like electronics, auto manufacturing, weapons, etc. then you have IMMENSE power over the global economy as a whole. That's the true value of asteroid mining.

That aside, pharmaceuticals, materials processing, etc. in orbit also have potential to be huge industries.

Even just colonization and exploitation of the space between the Earth and the Moon holds the promise of revolutionizing the economy of Earth and thus life on Earth.

Why not tether the habitat to the ground, and take advantage of unlimited 24/7 wind power?
Both for electricity & lift

>internetting

Reading this made me realize you could probably support tilted solar panels on the moon with drinking straws: low gravity and no wind. Lol. No need for expensive aluminum supports like on Earth.

Because you need a cable >50 kilometers long to get up to altitudes where the temperature is comfortable

>inbreeded

Yea, marginal cost for massive advantage

You need a cable 50 kilometers, capable of resisting both high temperature and sulfuric acid. Carbon fiber rope might work for this, but no one has flow a kite higher than a couple kilometers. Not to mention you have to make your habitat a giant fucking airplane.

Hardly marginal cost.

Anything would work, you have lifting surfaces or balloons every km or two along the cable, so it doesn't need to hold its own weight.
Sulfuric acid is at low concentrations, only existing for a stretch like 20km long.
500 degrees celcius at the surface is not at all an extreme temperature

In exchange for this, you have the ability to use your habitat as a lifting surface, you could dredge vast areas of the ground from your stationary habitat, and have unlimited wind power.

Will Veeky Forums still exist in 2100?

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I see people questioning the need to expand makind beyond our planet and I can only think one thing:

Why do you do anything you do? Is there any need for it? Do you need to, for example, have a partner, make friends, live long, be happy?

Answer is: you need to do whataver the fuck you want to do.

So yeah, some of us just need to explore the darkness beyond because we want.

Oh and if you ask me, I think we'll have Alcuberrie Drives before 2050 IF we don't blow ourselves up before

>So yeah, some of us just need to explore the darkness beyond because we want.
And some of us just need to take money from other people because we can't afford what we want.

The ISS is a gigantic sinkhole of public spending with nothing to show for it but obnoxious bragging.

we already have the tech that's hundreds and even thousands of years more advanced, but it's being hidden by the cabal

look up the Secret Space Program and Corey Goode

I wasn't talking about the ISS. Anyway space exploration in general is way underfunded

want a economic reason? Get Alcuberrie Drives and you have access to unilimited resources.

In the sense that we've colonized Antarctic it's almost certain. I tend to believe that children won't be born and raised on other planets though. The light delay means that you'd need 25 years of sustain medical care to become a productive member of off-world society. Culturally, all such children would be weird Space Mormons jerking off with a spare tube of droid oil into a handful of rock dust. ...unless that Space Mormons and Scientologists will inherit humanity. I honestly can't decide which would be the Empire and which the Rebel Alliance though.

Of course its possible but without no shekels going to the governments they wont do it.

We must first learn to create artificial gravity before colonizing planets our damn biological nature makes living on anywhere that isnt earth an eventual death sentence.

After we can generate gravity the rest is easy.

short answer: no
long answer: never