What's Veeky Forums's opinion on race and IQ...

What's Veeky Forums's opinion on race and IQ. If a link is found does that mean we can kill all shitskins and other inferiors?

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>race

> race is politics
You don't need to kill people just because they have low IQs.

"Modern human biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies ('races'), nor are the taxa of the standard anthropological 'racial' classifications breeding populations. The 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria. 'Race' denotes socially constructed units as a function of the incorrect usage of the term."

Keita; Kittles, Royal; Bonney, Furbert-Harris; Dunston, Rotimi (2004). "Conceptualizing human variation". Nature Genetics 36 (11 Suppl): S17–S20. doi:10.1038/ng1455. PMID 15507998.


"Race is a poor empirical description of the patterns of difference that we encounter within our species. The billions of humans alive today simply do not fit into neat and tidy biological boxes called races. Science has proven this conclusively. The concept of race (...) is not scientific and goes against what is known about our ever-changing and complex biological diversity."

Harrison, Guy (2010). Race and Reality. Amherst: Prometheus Books.


"Genetic studies have substantiated the absence of clear biological borders; thus the term "race" is rarely used in scientific terminology, either in biological anthropology and in human genetics. Race has no genetic or biological basis. Human beings do not fit the zoological definition of race. Race is not a biological category that is politically charged. It is a political category that has been disguised as a biological one."

Roberts, Dorothy (2011). Fatal Invention. London, New York: The New Press.

sorry subspecies, because you know, we have different phenotypes and all that

carry on OP.

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stop spamming shitposter

>"Modern human biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies.."

>not structured into phylogenetic subspecies

>not... subspecies

Keita; Kittles, Royal; Bonney, Furbert-Harris; Dunston, Rotimi (2004). "Conceptualizing human variation". Nature Genetics 36 (11 Suppl): S17–S20. doi:10.1038/ng1455. PMID 15507998.

>race
>Veeky Forumsentific

Sorry if what you're citing doesn't understand how genetics work, rest of the scientific community does.

Where are you OP ? Do you wanna talk about this or not ?

> populations don't share common traits and phenotypes
learn biology 101 SJWtard. and meanwhile, stay in your illiterate cesspool

Wrong board OP.

Go away dumbfuck

You must have misclicked

>The 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria. 'Race' denotes socially constructed units as a function of the incorrect usage of the term.
Keita; Kittles, Royal; Bonney, Furbert-Harris; Dunston, Rotimi (2004). "Conceptualizing human variation". Nature Genetics 36 (11 Suppl): S17–S20. doi:10.1038/ng1455. PMID 15507998.

If they go, who's gonna do all the shitty work ?

We need them OP

> my single libtard citation redefines what genetics is
no it doesn't
back to

You seem lost, OP.

nope sorry. it says pol is about politics, not genetics

>hasn't provided any of his own sources
>thinks calling something liberal destroys it's credibility
did you skip biology class?

There is a stronger link between IQ and cranial size/capacity than there is between IQ and race. As a result, it would make more sense to kill anyone under 6ft tall due to those with smaller skeletal structures typically having smaller craniums, and therefore smaller brains.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_and_intelligence

> cites something that denies the statements of genetics
> on a science board

lost your way ?

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> cherrypicked links that fail to follow basic procedures of genetics
> posts them on a science board
the kek is real

damn your pretty quick to have read through all those

I want to to what will happen once we prove that dark people are inferior. We can't just let that information slide

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> DNA testing doesn't exist and it can't clearly identify the ethnicity and ancestral roots of an individual
lmao who are you trying to fool ? do you live in 1900s when we didn't have this technology ?

he's denying the existence of DNA and genetic variations, I don't think populations are inferior or superior

>If a link is found does that mean we can kill all shitskins and other inferiors?
Considering that whites qualify as "inferiors" compared to Asians, I'mma go with "lets not".

Seriously though, if IQ is your prime metric for Eugenics, just imagine what a world full of Chinese would look like.
Apparently we need more than just high IQ folks to build a decent world.

I mean if we're being honest here, heightism has far more scientific justification for action than racism.

Some white guy that's 5'4 is literally inferior in every way to a black guy that's 6'5. The white guy may have been afforded more opportunities via a better culture and upbringing so that he could express some intellectualism, but the studies show that had the black guy been raised properly, he would absolutely outclass the the smaller white person.

A big issue here may be that physically larger minorities are often goaded into doing sports once they completely outclass the competition in highschool rather than focusing on schoolwork.

It would be interesting to see further studies done on this subject, desu senpai.

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Is there a correlation between high IQ and NEETs who take internet IQ tests all day everyday? If a link is found does that mean we can kill all inferior non-NEETs?

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well, let me change my wording. Not show, but rather imply.

Cranial capacity is a far more important factor than race when it comes to being a predictor of IQ. And cranial capacity correlates far closer with height than it does with race. Ergo, we should kill all manlets.

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> racial oppression
> slavery
I'm sorry but all your links reek of political propaganda also they deny genetic evidence.
I don't know why you would post them in a science board.

Bullshit, Asians are tiny and they have a high IQ

The human 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria for biological race.

Human 'races’ are tantamount to folk taxonomy and pseudoscience.

This is a science board.

Yep it's a science board, the retards who call genetic data and DNA evidence as pseudoscience with zero evidence should stay out.

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Thats due to culture moreso than biology. The taller asians are smarter than the smaller ones, all variables controlled.

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The first why would anyone kill anyone? that simply doesn't make sense. My theory is that people who have killed are simply mentally misguided. We could live off vegetables and fishes in peaceful harmony for the rest of our lives but of course this won't happen. We are too deep in the mud unfortunately. So many people out there killing other people because of power and greed and pride...really not any different from the wilderness. i wonder when humans will learn to live in syntony with the strings of nature when this is perfectly possible and achievable and the best manner to live. Perhaps they should try to give quality information to the maximum ammount of people possible now, if they want to make things different in the future. But that's not going to happen anytime soon anyway. But i hope they will learn someday to love being what they are.

Human genetic variation relating to specific genotypes and subsequent phenotypes does not permit racial classification, as the human 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria for biological race.

Subspecies not race

Modern human biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies, nor are the taxa of the standard anthropological 'racial' classifications tantamount to breeding populations.

The human 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria for biological race nor subspecies.

The term ‘race’ when applied to human populations is not a scientific term.

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> reading comprehension
read the post again retard

>Subspecies not race

>Modern human biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies

Read his post again, retard.
>The human 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria for biological race nor subspecies.

If races exist, what is the criteria for separating those races?
With that established criteria, how do we determine race of a person when dealing with mixed people? What about people who are second, third, fourth, ..etc generation of a mix?
If things boil down to simply saying if someone "possesses a drop of neanderthal DNA they are white", does that mean someone who has ancestors who are primarily subsaharan despite having one white ancestor is now white? Is someone who has had a primarily white lineage in their family that has one black ancestor now black?
These traits from those single ancestors are still carried in their genes and can be expressed among any descendant in the form of things like nose shape, brow ridge, lip contour, skull shape, etc. while leaving the child looking otherwise like they belong to the racial group their skin color would suggest.
Pic related's son is an example. On first glance, many would assume he was pure white, had they not known Griffin, but upon closer inspection, the kid clearly has traits which are visible, such as nose shape and lip definition. These same traits, and some unexpressed ones can be easily expressed even if this kid goes on to have kids with another white woman like his mom.


This kind of mixing has been going on since human civilization sprung up and we had the spice trails in the middle east. We really cannot define race as a result.

We have some bloodlines which are more distant than others, but we dont have anything that can surefire classify a person as belonging to one race or another. Race is a social construct.

Explain with evidence that accounts for different pehotypes that certain populations carry. And use scientific data rather than your opinions

whoops forgot my pic

What about DNA haplogroups?

More neonazi propaganda. they don't signify anything and has no basis in biology.

Geographic separation providing slightly different selection pressures, resulting in specific phenotypic traits being shared by populations living in similar environments over time.

The subsequent biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies.

Again, that tells us who's more closely related to who but it doesn't tell us definitively what race a person is, especially in the sense of mixed people and their descendants.

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The way I see it anglo-saxons are only a notch above niggers, you can't ignore the large majority of inbred hillbilly fucks in the south disease ridden welfare ridden uneducated sister fucker that are your people

what you eat, how and where you live play a role in these traits. Everything is playing a role.

I am an East Asian, but blessed with low intelligence.

Such cases

> The subsequent biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies.

Again... explain with evidence how phenotypes are not a factor on determining subspecies.

What decides the degree to which what you eat and where you live plays those roles? Obviously someone born in Finland who decides to go down to the Congo and eat a Sweet Potato doesn't magically turn into a black person overnight. If they move their whole family down there and keep breeding with other Finns exclusively, they wont turn into black people either.

There isn't any way to properly define this. All we know is that people are different from each other due to genetic lineages. Some people are more closely related than others, but due to the fact that many of us in the world are mixed to varying extents and may have traits in our DNA which when expressed may be typical of a racial group we may not resemble otherwise, we simply cannot define whatever 'race' is from a biological standpoint.

The most pertinent scientific question to this thread is ‘why does racism exist?’

We are animals whose behaviour is governed by genetic and environmental programming, stored in the form of particular nucleotide arrangements and neural networks that correspond to our genetic code and an array of psychological mechanisms crafted by the evolutionary processes of natural selection.

These psychological mechanisms govern an array of behavioural programs, which developed in response to the adaptive problems humans faced throughout their evolutionary history.

Humans play host to an innate in-group/out-group mentality, which manifests itself in support for coalitional warfare and enthusiastic sectarianism spanning the totality of human society, from partisan politics to rival sports teams.

‘One of us’ vs ‘one of them’.

The available data indicates that not only do humans gravitate to such binary and simplistic classification, but that members of any given in-group are likely to view out-group members as sub-human and direct violence towards them.

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I assume you're trolling.

Sure, but it's still a pretty good metric for gauging genetic lineage. The fixation index is another effective metric for gauging genetic distance.

The classification problem is more general than race as biologists still argue over how best to separate certain species from others. Would you say that the concept of a statosphere and a mesophere is incoherent because there's no clear cutoff between the two? Are labradors and poodles not distinct breeds just because labradoodles exist?

The variation among human individuals is noticeable and follows a distinct pattern, however there are no clear dividing lines among separate groups: they fade imperceptibly into one another.

Such clinal variation always indicates substantial gene flow among the apparently separate groups that make up the population.

Populations that have a steady, substantial gene flow among them are likely to represent a monotypic species, even when a fair degree of genetic variation is obvious

• • International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, Art. 47


• • McNeill, J.; Barrie, F.R.; Buck, W.R.; Demoulin, V.; Greuter, W.; Hawksworth, D.L.; Herendeen, P.S.; Knapp, S.; Marhold, K.; Prado, J.; Prud'homme Van Reine, W.F.; Smith, G.F.; Wiersema, J.H.; Turland, N.J. (2012). International Code of Nomenclature for algae, fungi, and plants (Melbourne Code) adopted by the Eighteenth International Botanical Congress Melbourne, Australia, July 2011. Regnum Vegetabile 154. A.R.G. Gantner Verlag KG. ISBN 978-3-87429-425-6.

• Mayr, Ernst. Populations, Species, and Evolution: An Abridgment of Animal Species and Evolution.

why is this same fucking guy still making threads

he easily identifiable by his liberal use
>SJWtard
And
Followed by inane shitposting whenever someone contradicts him, until the thread is eventually deleted by jannies. it's not even /pol/ at this point. It's just a rabid shitposter.

well there is also a little of chemical reactions involved in the process, but if you truly want to become black you can do it.

‘Breed’ is not a scientific term.

Despite the centrality of the idea of ‘breeds’ to animal husbandry and agriculture, no single, scientifically accepted definition of the term exists.

A breed is therefore not an objective or biologically verifiable classification but is instead a term of art amongst groups of breeders who share a consensus around what qualities make some members of a given species members of a nameable subset.

• The state of the world's animal genetic resources for food and agriculture. Barbara Rischkowsky and Dafydd Pilling. Commission on Genetic Resources for Food and Agriculture. 2007


• The Genetics of Populations. Jay L Lush. Iowa State University Press. 1994

• Banga, Surinder S. (November 25, 1998). Hybrid Cultivar Development, p. 119. Springer-Verlag. ISBN 3-540-63523-8

> however there are no clear dividing lines among separate groups
It depends where you draw the lines. Wavelengths also fade into each other but we classify them and call them different things. Just as humans are classified.
Also that doesn't explain how bone marrow transplants can only happen between specific races and a caucasian cannot get a bone marrow from an african and will die due to incompatibility.

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>/pol/tards and trolls incapable of discussing hard science and math topics are stuck posting shitty threads about psychometrics and sociology

Labradors and poodles are distinct isolated lineages of dogs that are usually selectively bred to ensure certain traits show. Labradoodles are mixes that are usually brought about so people can go "oh a cool dog mix!" They typically are not bred beyond the initial generation or taken and then bred freely with dogs of other genetic lineages.
Humans are not bred in captivity, and our genes are all over the place across the world. Historically, there was isolation to some extent given natural dividers such as mountains or oceans, but due to commerce mankind's isolation was nowhere near the level of a dog's.

>Wavelengths also fade into each other but we classify them and call them different things. Just as humans are classified.

Irrelevant to the subject in question; humans are not classified by their manner of oscillation.

>that doesn't explain how bone marrow transplants can only happen between specific races and a caucasian cannot get a bone marrow from an african and will die due to incompatibility.

The majority of ‘Caucasian’ people cannot receive a bone marrow from other ‘Caucasian’ people, therefore attempting to classify a ‘race’ based on ability to share marrow would result in an absurd number of races, that typically have no significant relevance to phenotypic traits.

Your logical is primitive and wholly fallible, just as you have proven yourself uneducated in relation to genetics and evolutionary biology.

> if I spam SJWtarded posts more maybe people will stop talking about genetics

:^)

>Implying you're any better than SJWtards
At least they admit they don't understand science.

You have displayed your scientific inadequacy pertinent to not only genetics, but biology in general.

You have not once provided evidence for any of your claims and have been refuted numerous times with posts supported by evidence.

You are an inferior specimen in relation to intelligence and scientific awareness.

Thats because of genetic distance between two individuals. Not because of any specifics particular of race. Typically the average Caucasian and African are separated enough to where bone marrow transplant can be fatal, but what if we have an event where a mixed person from having the potential to offer a white person bone marrow? And if that mixed person can, what if they have a kid with another African person, and their kid can still give bone marrow to a white person? What if their kids keep having kids with more and more Africans, but they retain the ability to offer bone marrow to Caucasians?

These people could clearly look and be identifiable as black in every sense, but could we still classify them as black if they could offer bone marrow to whites?

Evidence for what ? You only said you can't draw these lines there because it hurts my feelings, where as people draw the line anywhere they like.

using big words don't make you appear smart kid

user, this argument has already been addressed.

>The majority of ‘Caucasian’ people cannot receive a bone marrow from other ‘Caucasian’ people

Therefore, the ability to share bone marrow cannot be used to classify ‘race’.

Then get a bone marrow transplant from someone with a different race and die in pain lol. I'm sick of you retards denying everything science brings on the table.

Individual dogs can be identified to specific breeds 99% of the time using their microsatellite genotypes.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15155949

lmao you're attacking the basic premise of drawing these lines. You're just scrambling classifications that are there for a reason and telling people that you can't classify them without explaining anything.

By your definitions, red, blue and green colors have no physical basis and they are just social constructs.

I know. I was throwing out a hypothetical for the other user wherein someone of a different race was able to be the bone marrow donor.

Evidence for human racial classification being scientifically unfounded has been provided throughout the thread.

The variation among human individuals is noticeable and follows a distinct pattern, however there are no clear dividing lines among separate groups: they fade imperceptibly into one another.

Such clinal variation always indicates substantial gene flow among the apparently separate groups that make up the population.

Populations that have a steady, substantial gene flow among them are likely to represent a monotypic species, even when a fair degree of genetic variation is obvious

• • International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, Art. 47


• • McNeill, J.; Barrie, F.R.; Buck, W.R.; Demoulin, V.; Greuter, W.; Hawksworth, D.L.; Herendeen, P.S.; Knapp, S.; Marhold, K.; Prado, J.; Prud'homme Van Reine, W.F.; Smith, G.F.; Wiersema, J.H.; Turland, N.J. (2012). International Code of Nomenclature for algae, fungi, and plants (Melbourne Code) adopted by the Eighteenth International Botanical Congress Melbourne, Australia, July 2011. Regnum Vegetabile 154. A.R.G. Gantner Verlag KG. ISBN 978-3-87429-425-6.

• Mayr, Ernst. Populations, Species, and Evolution: An Abridgment of Animal Species and Evolution.

>big words

Scientific terms necessary for the description of phenomena described within a particular paradigm?

'Big words' have to be used and you'll have to learn them if you ever want to understand anything about genetics, or science in general.

We have definite logical criteria for defining wavelength. We don't have definite logical criteria for defining race.

It's really that simple.

Human populations have still been isolated from other populations for tens of thousands of years, potentially accumulating many genetic variations and traits. Sub Saharan Africans diverged more than 100k years ago.

No we don't. We label specific wavelengths as we could have done differently and none of the things you call red are actually "red", and they always shift to another side.

Do you think the existence of the spectrum between blue and red magically remove the labels "blue" and "red" ? Doy ou go out on the street and correct people when they name colors and say "uuuhh you can't really call this red because its not based on a logical criteria." I hope you are not that passionately retarded and just here to do a science denying propaganda.

Not him but I'm not sure what is your point aside from trying to wave your dick. He did say most Caucasians cant even get bone marrow transplants from other Caucasians, so trying to use that as a metric for race is pretty weak. Of course getting a bone marrow transplant from another race will kill you as well but when getting bone marrow from some whites give the same effect, then its moot point to use that as a definition for race.

>you're attacking the basic premise of drawing these lines.

I posted the classifications and commented on them in a supportive manner.

The classifications contradict your beliefs.

Humans cannot be classified into subspecies as:

The variation among individuals is noticeable and follows a pattern, but there are no clear dividing lines among separate groups: they fade imperceptibly into one another.

Such clinal variation always indicates substantial gene flow among the apparently separate groups that make up the population.

Populations that have a steady, substantial gene flow among them are likely to represent a monotypic species, even when a fair degree of genetic variation is obvious.


>By your definitions, red, blue and green colors have no physical basis and they are just social constructs.

Colours correspond to differences in wavelengths and therefore have a physical basis.

You have yet again proven your ignorance.

Are you telling me that you can't make the distinction between an asian and indian and actually think they "fade imperceptibly into one another" ?
Did they drop you on your head when you were a baby ?

there's a stronger link between prejudice and IQ than there is between race and IQ

now go back to >>/pol/

Lmao, /pol/tards everyone

It was only a matter of time until they got destroyed

> I want everyone to know that im retarded
well we knew that