Why do intelligent people tend to be less happy?

Cobain believed in your theory OP. That is what the song "Dumb" is about; "Very Ape" somewhat too.

That's honestly the lamest list of shit to be depressed about that I've ever fucking heard. The world's not tailored for anyone, you ass clown. Why should it be? On your point about intelligent people...
>Many forms of entertainment bore you
Except video games, fantasy novels and tabletops, anime, and very raunchy porn, and that's only if you're thinking of "entertainment" as consumed media. There's also chess, historical literature, fiction, modding, and drinking. These are all things that very intelligent people are known to enjoy.
>people think you are an asshole for feeling dragged down by your peers
That does kinda sound like an "asshole." You can make the case that you're justified in being an asshole, but you are still an asshole.
As long as you have other redeeming qualities as a person, most people can look past that.
>nobody seems to care for the things that deeply interest you.
Kinda a non-issue. Everyone enjoys booze.

>chess, historical literature, fiction, modding, and drinking
What if I don't enjoy those things? I honestly prefer things that bring instant pleasure. Well, drinking is okay.

>video games
>fantasy novels
>anime
You're a brainlet.

>everyone enjoys booze

Retards enjoy booze. Smart people see it for what it is. Poison that allows insecure and unconfident people to act out their thoughts that they don't have the balls to do sober.

>if people like things I don't like, they must be stoopid
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/thread

Because they found the problem but didn't find sulution yet.

This is honestly the most normie post I've ever seen. Kys

>Except video games, fantasy novels and tabletops, anime, and very raunchy porn, and that's only if you're thinking of "entertainment" as consumed media. There's also chess, historical literature, fiction, modding, and drinking. These are all things that very intelligent people are known to enjoy.
Most of those I don't enjoy, really. They actually sound exactly like the kind of stupid shit that bores me. Also many of them are sort of obscure and associated with being a loser. Now, I know that it's stupid to think that way, but that's just the kind of pressure you get from society. Especially as teenagers, people are pretty stressed out by stuff like that.

>That does kinda sound like an "asshole."
So I assume you never were in a situation like that. Just high school, physics class, nothing fucking happens, you are bored with the schedule and everybody seems to be retarded and struggles with every little thing. It's annoying, objectively. I can't do anything about it, it just fucking sucks. Of course you can just slow down a little and relax, and I did exactly that. But looking back at it I SHOULD have been the asshole you are talking about. It didn't make me a better person to just ignore what I need and what I want. It was pathetic, that's all.

>Kinda a non-issue. Everyone enjoys booze.
I don't. I used to as a teenager when it was new and whatnot, but now I just don't like it.

>The world's not tailored for anyone, you ass clown. Why should it be?
It is. Why? You are the target group. People don't aim for some

akschully there was a study that said intelligent people drink more. Probably to dull out all the stupidity in the world

Do you about narcissistic personality disorder?

show me that study. I bet intellingent there are faggots above iq100

This article links a few studies mentalfloss.com/article/66076/do-smarter-people-drink-more-what-5-studies-say

Some are complimentary, some are a bit weird and don't agree. Take it as you will.

quid prodest, n'est c'pas?
2ch-hk/sci/src/348625/14678822705870.webm
(put the dot instead of dash)

Im not clicking on that shit nigga

Right, there are no actually intelligent people on this planet, they are really just as stupid as everyone else plus some personality disorder to explain everything that sticks out. That's exactly what I mean: As much as society pro forma claims to tolerate and even embrace the different, the reality of things is: If you don't enjoy these things, there is something seriously wrong with you! Society as a whole just wants to fit you into the average so bad that it actually forces disorders onto you. You are not different, you are broken and now adjust, you are making us feel awkward! The whole love for variety stuff is just for heartwarming television moments. It's unsubstantial horseshit.

Being different (and I don't mean that in any dramatic superhero-kind of way) means being on your own. It means to make sense of all this bullshit for yourself, while everything else revolves around making most of the people feel at ease at the expense of everyone else (often very literally).

there's Craig Venter telling that scientific literature is full of crap and completely unreliable. So now if you're claiming something, you should make the research yourself. And so should I, lol

>there's Craig Venter telling that scientific literature is full of crap and completely unreliable.
I'm assuming he has a paper proving this?

I heard of an official research about papers in biology telling that about 40% of peer-reviewed stuff doesn't verify, 7% of it... hold it.. can't be tested in principle.

>biology
>science
biology is filled with women, that's where the 50% of shit comes from

seems legit. the other half should come from guys then.

this

>150kg
>small
is it just me or is this not small. or is this american small

Biggest retard in the thread right here

Society does not generally like to be challenged in the mental realm.

Today's course is on pleasure. Television and food go hand in hand, quite literally. People want to feel good through substances like alcohol and marijuana, binge eat, and have sex. Then they want their television to simulate the same thing with attractive and plastic looking people.

If you are wondering why you are being pushed out of the herd, it is because thinking is something reserved for when civilization is prospering.

We ARE prospering, but because we also love planned obsolescence we perpetually act like everything is desperately about to collapse which upkeeps the work force, the military, industry, and linear thinking.

Either utilize the intellect you have or hide it well.

nah being 2.10 m would be the shit. All those people who complain about clothes and airplanes are just assholes looking to subtle-brag.

>Television and food go hand in hand, quite literally
I can see that you are also one of those that don't like to be challenged in the mental realm.

Smart phones.

this was a good read, thanks man.

Unless you are mega-intelligent, in which case you see past that as well.

simple pleasures and misteries are ruined by vast knowledge

you will never walk through a winding forest wondering if there are spirits inside the trees talking to each other

you will never feel that.

science has ruined humanity

>highest IQ group (120–129)

So they didn't even get geniuses?

That's what shrooms are for m8erino.

yes good goyim, ruin your life with my magic jew shrooms.

what youre thinking of is called being selfish and consumed by your own mind

Hey, you asked for a solution, and I provided. If you're dissatisfied take it up with customer service.

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Watch some videos of Feynman and Sagan. Science is the path to some amazing trips.

Without it you will never walk through a winding forest wondering which species feed on the flora. You won't wonder about the predator-prey relationships in that forest. You won't wonder about how photosynthesis works at the atomic level. You won't wonder about the learning and foraging patterns of the animals in that habitat.

Science makes the world trippy as hell.

more shit to worry about

hahaha fucking keked

Because they realize all of life is essentially chasing a chemical high that your brain produces when you do something that is evolutionary advantageous

They're not it's a special snowflake canard. If you're clever enough to fuck you feels, you're clever enough to unfuck them.

Have any evidence for that or are you just going to post a picture from a shitty cartoon?

Yeah but the fact that you can learn and understand these things ruins it for me, although that's amazing in its own right it's just not the same

There is no mystery

One mystery that still seems to escape you is that of proper punctuation and grammar. Perhaps there is still something out there for you.

I you fail to see the joy of discovery, then obviously science is not for you. Which makes me wonder why you're even hear.

This is correct
You are an idiot.

hay grammurz is herd.

what do you mean?

I just said that's amazing in its own right

In other words, smart/educated people understand that nothing /actually/ matters, and that we are all just doing an ultimately pointless animal monkey dance chasing the aforementioned gratification. And yet we are generally slaves to our animal bodies and so even understanding the pointlessness of it all, we will still, to some degree, do the nonsense and jump through the hoops anyway, even (in most cases) when we really underderstand that it's all for nothing and you yourself will be dead in a few decades on the outside, at which point most especially, all of this will /really/ cease to mean anything, especially from your own point of view. And understanding these contradictory truths leads one toward a kind of depressed resignation about the world.

Is the above a fair rephrase/characterization of what you really meant, user? Because if so, the above absurd view of the world is one that I happen to agree with.

>nobody shares your mindset and views.
idk, everyone else here where I live seems to share decent republican ideas

Enlighten us then!

This. I don't understand how somebody who genuinely has such a cognitive capacity to discover could possibly be unhappy.

I'd venture to guess that unhappiness in this case is a result of a lazy dissonance. You're overweight, socially inept, or perhaps just not that bright, and so you've started to convince yourself that all of your problems stem from you being more intelligent than everybody else. Some part of you, however, realizes that you're really just a sham and not really deserving of the label you want to attach to yourself, causing you to be bitter and unhappy.

>study
what he actually means is a bullshit "news" article that validates the destructive behaviour of the common human trash

>everyone enjoys booze
god tier bait
10/10

But isn't the next step to this realizing that pointlessness and your inevitable death doesn't affect your capacity to experience, feel, learn, wonder, appreciate etc.?

Everyone always tries to put this blase "positive" existential spin on things around this point of the discussion, and the older I get (I'm past 30, now), the more I am annoyed by the attempt. There is something to it which is deeply disingenuous.

>what he actually means is a bullshit "news" article
>bullshit "news" article
Would you retards stop doing this? The article LINKS several studies. I'm not going to organizing and posting them when someone has already done the work for me. Besides, most or those articles are behind a paywall, and I bet you faggots don't even have access to it, since you're not even a part of a university.

>nuffin matters we gonna die anyways :((((

Now try it without greentext.

Although they themselves are not in a position to deeply understand it, it turns out that the edgy 16 year olds really were right all along.

Why is being a bunch of chemicals that realizes it's a bunch of chemicals inherently negative?
Because you have the ability to imagine omniscience or other realities but not able to experience them?

They feel like they have more responsibility.

When you are dumb, you can always rely on someone smarter than you to solve major problems, if you even see the problems at all.
Smart people see every problem, and know that there are only a small number of people even capable of solving them.

Your science and shallow rhetoric is why women hate you.

The question is whether happiness is worth having, not whether happiness exists.

Sure it is. Your body needs 1800kcal a day of food, 2l of water, and at least 20% of daily recommended happiness juice, to keep it optimal.

That's basic sustenance; and happiness through sensual satisfaction isn't happiness at all.

Wow you're just a kid. Don't worry you'll understand in time. Just eat your veggies, and keep your chin up.

I'm a miserable autistic piece of shit and also a retard college dropout that struggled to finish high school. I also hate my job.

So you are mistaken.

If nationality holds such importance, could someone patriotic to their country become depressed if their country became flooded with peoples from another country who then applied pressure from their culture onto the culture of the country the person in question feels patriotic towards?

Only if you're an ape.

PEOPLE WHO DESCRIBE THEMSELVES AS INTELLIGENT, ESPECIALLY IN A WAY THAT PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE OTHERS, IS A REFLECTION OF AN INFLATED EGO/UNSUSTAINABLE SELF, WHICH IS SYNONYMOUS WITH MISERY

define ego

Gotta look out for number one
Which is healthy when regulated but we live in a society that breeds insecurity, where the ego has ridiculous expectations
i.e. everybody is supposed to be successful in capitalism, wherein someone has to be oppressed for some to be rich
such contradictions etc etc

I'm 25, and I've completely dismissed eating meat.
You're a charlatan and bigot.

You don't have to yell. I can hear you just fine.

this, well said.

This.

Either they're hoping to find some justification for their misery:

>"I'm depressed; It must be from the fact I'm so smart!"

or finding a silver lining to their problems.

>"I'm depressed, but at least that's confirmation that I'm smarter than my peers!"

Happiness and intelligence aren't mutually exclusive. Thinking one is correlated with another is a bad religion.

Adding a few things to this; leaving the "intelligence = misery" ideology behind is a tricky task because any alternatives are too undesirable.

If happiness and intelligence are linked together, that would mean that gaining one means losing the other.

If they aren't, then that just means you've been deluding yourself to think that you're a troubled genius. It means that you're not as smart as you thought you were, and that the only defining trait you had was just something you wish you had, leaving you with no other redeeming qualitities, and as a result, without an identity.

I've always been more intelligent than most people without ever being genius-tier (IQ ~135), and I've been depressed on and off for the last few years, so I can offer my perspective.

It sounds pretentious, but I get the feeling my depression is a more intellectual depression than other people's. I actually had (/am having) an existential crisis, where everything I did felt meaningless and I was unable to derive any real satisfaction or pleasure from anything. I'm an atheist, and unfortunately I've found that has made my life utterly without purpose. The only way I've been able to recover this is to just literally ignore these thoughts and feelings when they come up and hope that one day I forget them completely, because if I take the time to think them through properly then I just end up in misery. I dream of a world where I go back to my ignorant self, where I can watch sports as if they were life and death scenarios, where I can be proud of whatever small difference I can make in the world, and so on.

So I don't think depression is necessarily more common in more intelligent people, but it is maybe harder to treat. The most common psychotherapy, CBT, works on the basis of helping people to identify and challenge their unrealistic negative thoughts about themselves, others, or the world. But what if these thoughts aren't unrealistic? What if they can't be challenged? How do you treat someone who is convinced that life has no meaning?

Entrapment and psychological overhead of placing relevance in things other people allow themselves to learn to ignore and accept. Whether this is maladaptive, and how it ultimately pans out for an individual, depends.

Usually more intelligent people, people of a rounded overall intelligence, see passed the bullshit.

Bipolar here.

In the absence of associated irrational thoughts CBT isn’t going to be any good.

Plus, 'what kind of psychotherapist is even going to be able to fully understand my thoughts?'

Now that’s arrogant.

>but true

Hello.

>How do you treat someone who is convinced that life has no meaning?

Well, meaning is essentially emotional association.

We are hard wired to attribute meaning and value to certain things, however we typically have little trouble applying meaning to novel phenomena in reference to years of environmental programming.

Are any aspects of your internal world view positively associated?

What do you like, user?

Miserable cunt

It's not that I don't think anyone can understand my thoughts, it's that once they do understand my thoughts, I don't see how they can be happy (unless they're religious).

My world view is becoming more and more neutral. Without some set of universal ethics, nothing is really good or bad, it just 'is'. Obviously I don't like to see people in pain, especially if they're a friend or family, and I'd like to have a positive impact on the world, but I'm getting more and more detached from those sorts of goals. I still try to act in an altruistic way, but I don't derive any sort of satisfaction from it anymore.

The things I liked growing up were things like sports, music, cinema and reading. I still do them, but, again, they feel a bit pointless now and I find it harder to get fully immersed in them. I had a relationship once that gave me satisfaction for a while, but after it ended I started to look deeper into the realities of relationships and that started to lose meaning too (in fact, getting dumped is what triggered this depression - although I've not had another relationship since then, so maybe that's part of the problem). The only thing that's given me a real sense of satisfaction over the last few years is working with children. Spending time in that world reminds me of when I was that age and everything was so much simpler. It's so easy to bring real joy and happiness to them, and I can forget about my own problems for a while when I'm with them. I just don't know if that's a tenable long-term option though, I'll need to 'grow up' and have a serious career one day, and working with children pays terribly.

define intelligent
define happy

Define pain.

>pain doesn't exist

There is some sort of scientific consensus on pain we can work on to improve science. It's not the case for happiness and intelligence.

>And yet we are generally slaves to our animal bodies

This doesn't cease to be true. You might be cognitively aware of how silly most things are but you're still always going to be scared when you face social disapproval, death, loss of things you enjoy etc.

Because there are plenty of other considerations that factor into someone's level of happiness. We're humans, we desire and need social approval to thrive (you may be a genius with a grand curiosity about the world but if you feel unloved and alone it will seriously demotivate you, whether you like it or not). Moreover you can try to better yourself regarding being overweight, socially inept etc. but some things are genuinely out of your control and realizing that you're effectively powerless in your own life is also greatly demotivating. If you're intelligent you're also more likely to be heavily critical of yourself and those around you, which would not only lower your own esteem but also leave you fairly uninspired.