Veganism

~4 month vegan reporting in.

For anyone considering reading about Veganism, the links below contain essentially all the information that has made me turn vegan, with the exception for the morality/ethics part.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=McDougall J[Author]&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=27645350 ( ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27645350 )
nutritionstudies.org/
nutritionfacts.org/

Also;
>veganism is going to turn you gay

Considering that Soy-based products are the main reason behind such claims, please disregard the rest of the website content and just take a look at the article that was written based on the citations available RIGHT below the article: archive.is/w3qEe.

p.s I hate using the word vegan/vegetarian, and the amount of people that get obsessed with, in other words a diet "abstaining from the use of animal products"/"based on foods derived from plants", giving it a "pretty bad" reputation.

>gaining a lot of fat from all the carbs
Holy fucking shit mother of mercy
Do you understand why they call it FAT? Because it's FAT, it's literally FAT, not sugar, not starch, not cellulose, not glycogen, not carbs, it's FAT.
Honestly I feel like I'm in living in some joke parallel universe at this point.

It has to do with water in the muscle. You may have changed your carb and/or sodium/potassium intake while doing the vegan thing.

>>veganism is going to turn you gay
Turn?

I accidentally go vegan for months at a time. Any vegans here who can give me advice on things I need to watch out for? I have D-vitamin deficiency even though I eat enough D-vitamin, so I feel I'm doing something wrong. I also have a low iron count, which is typical. How can I counteract this?

:^)

There is no food on this planet that supplies enough vitamin D. Food is not a good source of vitamin D. Virtually everybody needs to take a Vitamin D supplement, typically around 2000-5000 IU/day, especially in winter.

Iron deficiency is very rare in men, including vegan men, because men have very low iron needs. So if you are male you are doing something very wrong. Iron is abundant in many vegetables, legumes, whole grains, certain fruits and nuts and seeds. However, there are some substances that interfere with iron absorption, especially oxalates (in spinach and some other vegetables) and phytic acid (especially in grains, seeds and legumes). To optimize iron intake on a vegan diet, it should be rich in green leafy vegetables and legumes, and it helps a lot to consume vitamin C rich foods with meals to counteract phytic acid. Vitamin C is present in the great majority of vegetables and fruits.

You could counteract by eating a healthy diet and not the absolutely retarded hipster trend veganism.

Vegetarian is just fine and perfectly healthy. Veganism is not, at all. Its just utterly retarded as anyone with some knowledge about nutrition will tell you.

EAT A GOD DAMN PIECE OF MEAT OR FISH YOU FUCK! ITS GOOD FOR YOU!

I didn't say I'm vegan, I said I eat vegan for long periods accidentally. I eat fish when I get my hands on it but I avoid commercial animal products so I don't buy it. Since I have to fish it myself I don't get as much fish in my diet as I want.

I take a multi that has the daily D-vitamin requirement on top of foods with D-vitamin in them. I don't understand why I'm deficient. Are there foods that prevent the body absorbing D-vit?

In relation to iron, I already eat loads of fruit and veg and get a lot of vit C in my diet, so I don't think phytic acid is a problem. oxalates are mostly a problem in raw leafy greens no? So cooked spinach is not a big issue?

I don't quit get it. We are animals,meat and animal products are part of what made all our civilization possible. Heck, is what made US be us possible. I don't live in the USA so we don't have that unnatural madness than is your meat industry but life and death are part of the same circle. Eat and be eated dude, a fucking squirrel will eat a mouse if he can get away with it.
youtube.com/watch?v=xzdL_Oc1g2Q

>I don't live in the USA so we don't have that unnatural madness than is your meat industry
Oh you sweet summer child

heh

>I take a multi that has the daily D-vitamin requirement on top of foods with D-vitamin in them. I don't understand why I'm deficient.
The daily requirement currently set by most governments is outdated and way way too low. In many places they recommend 400-600 IU, however most vitamin D experts recommend an intake of 2000-5000 IU per day as I said, so up to 10 times higher than what it says on a label. So you're simply not getting enough.

I would like to try to be vegan but living on a island in the middle of the atlantic ocean (Iceland). It is possible but i cant stand eating food that doesnt taste good or eating the same thing every day.

Ah, you made the assumption that I'm stupid. Sorry I wasn't more clear. Because vegan sources of proteins also contain a higher ratio of carbohydrates, it would be difficult to increase the proportion without those carbs adding significantly more calories, causing a gain in body fat. If you were to attempt to simultaneously counter this with intense cardio it would be very easy to defeat the muscle growth. It would be a very fine line. I do know a bit about nutrition since I've managed to reach 90% of my theoretical lean muscle mass potential without supplements on a very clean, fresh-foods omnivorous diet. But I'm just a normal guy, so whatever.

You're probably right. My multi says 800 iu, so that's not enough on it's own. Thanks.

A dish I enjoy at least weekly is throwing together canned chick peas, stuff from my grocery's olive bar and finely chopped kale. It tastes better if you roast the chick peas and also mince some garlic, parsley, etc., but you still feel like you had a good meal even if you don't. The olive bar marinades and brines form their own dressing.

Not him but for example in my country meat industry is heavily regulated t. son of cattle ranch owner

Yeah but it's important to check the country you live in, not just take for granted that the industry is ok since it's not US. Knowledge is power.

Yeah you are right. It is also important to check where the meat is when you buy meat products from super markets.

God you sound like such a faggot. You sound like that insuffferable person that know one wants to deal with.

Vegans please leave CK and never come back.

You faggots should just fuck off to Reddit or Tumblr desu...

Variation never hurt anybody. It's a nice break from all the fastfood shitposting.

>industry is ok since it's not US

Yeah. If they have the similar lack of regulation the US does, and the added steroids and growth hormones, avoid the product at all cost.

How does being vegan affect your social life? Do you avoid situations in which vegan food wouldn't be served to you?? Just curious.

I find you can usually pic the vegan options when eating at a friend's house (vegetable sides and the carb source). And when eating out it's easy to choose a place that has at least one vegan option, even if it's just a collection of sides.

Actually vegetarianism is very unhealthy, but veganism can be very healthy.

Dairy is horrible for you, and eggs are really no good either.

Studies:
theradicalvegan.tumblr.com/health

(I'm going to be working on a new, more professional site with a lot more, and more organized information so please don't judge that the information is hosted on tumblr for now - it was the only free site that allowed me something similar to the format I wanted. And I'm not paying for a website til I'm fully prepared. It will be fully non-profit and I'll only be losing money off it, so no, I'm not a shill.)

>I'm not a shill

1. Animal products are unhealthy. theradicalvegan.tumblr.com/health
2. Even if the animals weren't tortured, animal products are still nasty once you think about it. You're eating dismembered corpses and mammary gland secretions from another species. And eggs come from a hen's menstrual cycle, and butthole. Pretty fucking gross.
3. Animals want to live, and there's no reason to kill them. Do you really want to align your logic and principles with that of a squirrel?
4. Mass bred animals, whether they're tortured or not, are destroying the environment. theradicalvegan.tumblr.com/environment 5. Meat may have been necessary in our species survival in the beginning, but now it's destroying us.

>A weeaboo telling me to kill myself.

I remember back when I was feeling really suicidal I would tell a lot of people to kill themselves. Maybe that's what's happening here.

>dismembered corpses and mammary gland secretions from another species

Vegetable products are ovaries, jizz and bulbous self-cloning lumps that grow in feces, corpses and gravel. How about you stick to the health argument instead of acting like a toddler who thinks his dinner is 'icky poo poo'?

I hope so.

kek

Plants are clean. Animal products are filled with pus, slime, blood, that film that covers a chicken breast, veins, tendons, bone, fat. And they're also very often literally coated in feces.

Corpses are pretty much universally seen as gross. Plants - no. Nice try though.

And then the psychos showed up. It was fun as long as it lasted.

Remember, every Spring you're completely covered in yellow jizz as the wind jerks off the trees and they delightfully cumblast everything.

How do I incorporate more meat into my vegan diet?

>I add artificial sugar for
Is anything in your diet not artificial?

I think we all know the answer to that one.

Most likely dehydration from lack of salt in your diet

>Please don't judge the information is on tumblr
>Vegans aren't gay you guyz i swear

I'm female.

And the only reason I know to say "don't judge" it for being hosted on tumblr, is because of you guys. I don't follow anyone except vegan recipe blogs and one friend of mine. You guys clearly are more involved in tumblr culture than I am.

>tumblrposter
>"teehee iamgrillguyz XDDDDDD
>vegan
>no humour
Roastie JUST FuckingREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Hey I was just thinking about this and saw your post, and am wondering if you could tell me...

Do they give medication to people with autism? If so I think you're due for your next dose.

Food from the gods.

>any advice for new vegans
Yeah, fucking stop you dumb shit.

dont for get to take all your supplements

not , but I have to agree with him. You seem to be a genuinely shitty person.

>Plants are clean
Yeah, with all the bugs, birds, worms, and other animals shitting, pissing, making nests, laying eggs and walking all over them. You know manure is an organic fertilizer, right?
Not even going to mention chemical fertilizers and all the genetic manipulation done to them. How do they make plants cold resistant?
>protip: is not with other plants genes.

I wash my veggies, you can't wash the feces off your dismembered corpses or animal secretions. And I eat a lot of veganic food.

My veggies might get gross stuff on them, but your food IS gross stuff.

How can you agree with someone if they're not even speaking a language?

Seriously what the fuck was that? I imagined they just had a seizure on their keyboard.

>you can't wash the feces off your dismembered corpses or animal secretions.
You're probably too retarded to know that you can wash them too. Or how to properly cook them.

It gets absorbed though - and most people don't wash their meat because what's the point of trying to clean something that is disgusting anyway? Also in the case of milk, you're fucked trying to clean that.

>what is boiling
>what is fraying
Yeah. Retarded

There are a couple really nasty, mental vegans on this board that like to shit up all the threads with their mean-spirited crazy talk. You'll get used to it.

I like it when tumblr gets so sick of tumblr they have to come here to interact with people who aren't completely insane
And then they act completely insane here anyways
And then they go back to tumblr to bitch about how bigoted we are only to do it all over again the next day

I only follow like 7 people and only one of them isn't a recipe blog....

You are desperate.

You clearly have never been to /co/

Nope..

They also tend to over-share. It's like looking through a weird little window that makes the world really horrific and ugly. It must suck really hard to be them.

What the fuck are you doing in that shithole anyways? Who does that to themselves?

I just catch a glimpse here and there of the ones who wonder off, unless I'm on /co/ wich I don't do anymore
But based on that holly shit, one of those people alone is enough to make 100 normal people sick, I can't even picture what a couple thousand could be like
No wonder they get movie directors to drop the internet alltogether

Don't fall victim to peer pressure. Try not to become bitter from all the stupid comments you will get. A lot of people grew up being given misinformation and they're dealing with that on top of cognitive dissonance to it takes time to undo that - maybe some people will never undo that. Don't be discouraged.

so it takes time to undo that*

I'm sure you expected this comment but that thing looks so tender.....

If I were to go vegan I'd eat some Huel as part of my diet just to make sure it isn't total shit.

>Animal products are unhealthy. theradicalvegan.tumblr.com/health
keto begs to differ. I'm the healthiest I've ever been and have lost weight.

I appreciate that you knew I was expecting comments like that. Many meat eaters have no idea how unoriginal and predictable they are to vegans. It is very hard sometimes not to be bitter because of that, but it's refreshing at least that you're aware of how cliche you're being.

Fat retards shouldn't lecture healthy skinny people on nutrition. You fat ugly fuck

You say cliché, I say normal.

That's like saying a non-scientist shouldn't lecture a physicist on evolution if he doesn't believe in it

Fat people don't know even the difference between carbohydrates and fat, so immediately their opinions are worthless. And the scientific consensus is that a ketogenic diet is extremely unhealthy, so it would be on the fatty to prove them wrong.

>the scientific consensus is that a ketogenic diet is extremely unhealthy
proof? Have sources?

Truth. My brother has sworn by the ketogenic diet since high school (he's nearly thirty now) and he's only gotten FATTER and more unhealthy. He's morbidly obese now. But if you suggest another diet man will he get defensive. Ignorance is not bliss. Oh well.

doing actual research

Every science-based nutritional guideline on the planet emphasizes a diet based on starch, i.e. carbohydrates, rich in fruits and vegetables (carbs), high in fiber (plant products = carbs) and limiting fat and animal products.

fao.org/nutrition/nutrition-education/food-dietary-guidelines/en/

A typical guideline like the one from the WHO sets a limit of 30% on fat, because 30% will allow you to keep saturated fat at a reasonable 5-6%.

Even with a high protein intake of 20%, you'll be left with 50% calories from carbs which is anything but ketogenic. 50% calories from carbs would be among the lowest in international comparison. Most people in the world get 60-80% from carbs and those are the populations that are normal weight and non-diabetic.

And many organizations have come out against Atkins and keto for many decades because the scientific consensus is that saturated fat, animal protein and dietary cholesterol are all unhealthy, and fiber, whole grains, beans, fruits and vegetables (=carbs) are healthy. If you eat more animal products, inevitably you have less room in your diet for healthy food

>A lot of people grew up being given misinformation
yeah, thats why they become vegan
but in all seriousness, i hate the hollier than thou types that thnik that everyone either agrees with them or is stupid
first of all eating animals isnt inmoral
second i dont love animals, do you love humans? i love the animals i own and the ones i interacted enough with thats how love works
and thirdstop with all that projecting, you are projecting all the feelings you should have for other human beings into random animals and its sad and its creepy, thats what my grndma does with her dogs

if studies said the exact opposite you would ignore them completely or even go as far as protesting them
you dont give two fucks about science
and newsflash i need absoluttely 0 excuses to eat meat anyways and thats something you wont find link online to disprove

Not an argument

>Muh "scientific consensus"

Animal products are not inherently unhealthy, at all. A hot dog? Sure. A chicken breast? No way.

Now- It's one story if you don't want to eat meat because you don't like the thought of consuming flesh. However, to deny the nutritional benefits is just ignorant.

Chicken breast is unhealthy, yes.

IGF-1, casein, heme, NeuG5c. Google these alongside "cancer".

They all almost exclusively come from animal products. All milk has casein. All meat has the rest.

Learn not to make absolute statements when you obviously haven't done any real research.

I am not vegan, but I've always told myself that if I were going to be vegan I'd try making a burger patty out of falafel. Put that on a toasted burger bun with some sliced cucumber, strong garlic tzatziki, lettuce, tomato, and a bit of chili paste, it'd probably be good. But since you're a vegan faggot I guess you could try replacing the tzatziki with hummus of some kind. I'd probably go for the black olive or roasted garlic variety.

This is why you should never breast-feed babies. The risk of cancer from milk is way too high. It's shocking to me that so many people have survived infancy. What horrible, horrible parents.

Casein (/ˈkeJs.Jn/ or /ˈkeJˌsiːn/, from Latin caseus, "cheese") is the name for a family of related phosphoproteins (αS1, αS2, β, k). These proteins are commonly found in mammalian milk, making up 80% of the proteins in cow's milk and between 20% and 45% of the proteins in human milk.[1]

We are not meant to be drinking milk past infancy. Definitely not cow's milk.

No, it's not. You nut.

I have something you might want to read, if you can escape your narrow pov for five minutes and learn something important (If not, no skin off my ass):

curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1728051

Trust me, the scientific consensus is that you're wrong. You know that expression about leading a horse to water? You're that horse. Here's your water.

>No, it's not. You nut.
Yes, yes it is.

>I have something you might want to read
>my B12 was so low
Stopped reading there.

only the sugar.. what are you talking about?

sounds like you are just getting leaner

>Said Mr. Ed