Did cryptocurrency make you more pro-capitalist and more right-wing?

So, why are you mad at libertarians?

I was already an austro-libertarian, that is why i got into crypto

>trading shitcoins
>hard labor

Crypto is the epitome of why markets require regulation

Free bombs to countries who live in the sand.

All about context succ boi.

but the same people who are spending your money ineffeciently will be in charge of regulating crypto. Are you ok with that? I mean, you used one of the freest markets of today to make heaps of money, I think being in favor of more regulation is shooting yourself in the foot.

I'm unironically a die hard socialist and vote accordingly.
At the same time I don't pay my taxes.
I still sleep well.
>don't know what's wrong desu

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>more liberal
>owes $270k in taxes

Why would you want to add onto the 270k you already owe

Sometimes I beat myself up for not investing in bitcoin sooner, but then I think about how I got into it only after I turned anarcho-capitalist and saw its potential as a weapon against the government and its taxation-inflation thievery.

I made 7 figures trading shitcoins in my underwear for a year. I didn't earn any of this money.

So basically you're what drove me from the left to the right.

It's free if it would otherwise be spent on more billion dollar bombs for muslims in toyotas

you earned the money you made before you invested. you've done your research most likely. even if you didn't earn the money, the govt has no business taking it. it's not like they deserve it more than you

How can you be pro eugenics but anti Islam? Nothing holds society back more than Savages and their Savage religion.

So you are basically a hypocrite - like every leftist. You just want everyone to be poorer

this, it's a dumb luck you heard of something early

it's not earning

Then give it all to charity

so what? why does it matter if he earned it or not? the IRS didn't earn it either.

found crypto through my libertarianism and Ron Paul basically. welcome former leftfag, i miss the good ole days, used to read posts almost every day "have been a liberal all my life, cant believe i was such a big faggot retard"..but now its only faggot socialist. the reasons for world wars have become very apparent recently. fuck commies

Crypto and living in Hawaii have made me more conservative. Hawaii has huge social programs, universal healthcare (that sucks ass) and a ton of scammers making bank off the government dole. It's absurd how much money they waste. But, they get away with it because of tourism and high taxes. A lot of people, even educated people, who I know live in this retarded dream state where they don't understand consequences because japs literally pay for their greencard. Fuck this place.

what are you saying? I am anti theism. That doesn't mean people should be droned and killed inhumanely. If you were born in the middle east or south east asia, you would almost certainly be muslim right now. Should you have been killed solely for poor circumstance? You have less freedom in life than you think

This.
> pro eugenics
> pro Islam
> 70 % of muslims are inbred

You had the foresight and took the risks that others didn't. You deserve the rewards for your actions, the government and its dependents don't. The labor theory of value is BS, it's not about how hard you work, it's about how much others are willing to pay you for the result. That said, I've worked harder in the past year trading crypto than ever before doing other things.

exactly, we do have less freedom in life. not being able to keep your own money and being extorted by the govt is one of those freedoms lost. whose side are you on again?

I earned 3000 dollars before I invested. Big shit. I threw it all in ethereum on a whim. No research. Don't paint a narrative. Very little of that money goes into government pockets. It's spent on social capital and some other abhorrent things. Inefficiently spent no doubt, but that's a different story. If you don't want to pay taxes, feel free to migrate to a country where you don't benefit from government.

weak argument from ideologues that draws on too many assumptions.

the government doesnt deserve it any more than you do.

Why do you want to keep the money you didn't earn, lefty?

exactly. if he's willing to pay the govt he should have no problem with me taking 40% of what he made as long as i promise to do good things with it. even if i said id do good things with it im not legally obligated to follow through with it

All I know is I've made a bunch of really easy money and it should be illegal but everyone wishes they had done it so I don't feel bad.

again, transposing the conservative narrative onto a much more chaotic reality. I had zero foresight. I was able to take that risk because I was living with my parents at the time and had zero expenditures. The only reason I even found crypto was because I had a coinbase I used for buying steroids. Who decides what's earned and what's not? Over a billion people on earth work for less than a dollar a day. Are you trying to argue that I collectively earned more than 3000 people? People who probably worked twice as hard as me? This was a result of circumstance and nothing else.

No it's not

listen to yourself talk. Do you actually believe this flimsy logic to be bullet proof? You would be assraped in a political philosophy course.

ok, if that was true why dont you do it yourself? not an argument

no but getting fit did

explain to me why extortion is good. explain to me why the IRS deserves the money more than you do. explain to me why you want to keep the money. explain to me why you're not ok with me taking 40% of what you made.

>did ideology did this to your idelogy ideologies to ideologise

fucking die upper-middle class sheltered scum

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I agree 80 % is circumstancial.

>(((political philosophy course)))
lol nice argument

you must be 18 to post on Veeky Forums

What logic? I'm just asking you why you don't want to give it to charity.

Crypto turned me ancap

I've always leaned right to varying degrees since I finished my studies but I don't believe I give that much weight to economic arguments. I think cryptocurrencies are a nightmare world for everyone except for a very particular group of libertarians that isn't even mainstream inside libertarianism. Others think they want them but I doubt shit would develop in the way they want it to.

the fact that you have to frame these questions in an intellectually dishonest way says a lot. The IRS doesn't deserve the money. Which is fine, because they don't get to spend the money. They are collectors. I don't give you the money because you are not the government. And you promising to do things is much different from the government promising to do things, regardless of whether or not they fall short.

Why don't you leave the country and form your own hoppean, tax free nation state? Most likely it's because you benefit from the social capital government provides.

Been libertarian since 2011. Dabbled in btc a little bit but dropped the whole thing cause I thought the govt was gonna shut it down. Feels bad. So yea, daily reminder not to be overly pessimistic.

Yeah. I lucked into it initially in 2013 because my college roommate was way into it and so I bought some by circumstance. Took me until last winter to realize I could make far more money buy diversifying into altcoins and learning more deeply about the crypto markets. This coincided with a gradual shift in political opinions from pro-Obama shitlib to somewhere gray and fuzzy where I want to keep the free market competitive and open as an avenue for middle class folks, like many of ourselves, to make it, mixed with a redpilled view that American society is shattering into identity politics, while mass media, entertainment and drugs ease the pain, or worse yet blind us to our civilization collapse. Oh well, may as well as get rich.

This is a cancerous way to think. I got into this line of reasoning when it came to my own success academically and then in my career and it completely undermined my self concept. "I'm only at university because of the opportunities and circumstances that I had earlier. I'm no better than anybody else and don't deserve blah blah."
No shit, every success is circumstantial (even for the guy who gets rich through hustle). That doesn't mean you should treat it that way. Ironically, you risk losing sight of yourself and your worth when you try to be so 'objective,' I know this from personal experience.

>China destroying the environment as well as the component market so they can farm more monopoly playbucks
>Idiots losing all their savings to ponzi poos
It's made me torn really. On a fundamental level I feel crypto is the worst thing to happen in economics bar none because it idolizes all the worst parts of laissez faire capitalism (less than 0.00001% of the population owns virtually all BTC for example). On the other hand schadenfreude has been off the charts watching people get scammed, and I'm all for growing racism towards poos.
All in all I guess it made me a bit more socialist in terms of wealth distribution as crypto has pointed out that less regulations only makes existing problems in capitalism worse. Can't really say liberal because there's a lot that liberals stand for that don't deal with the economy that I don't agree with.

I worked for Oxfam for over a year. Most humanitarian work fails. I recommend effective altruism via givewell. But there are other ways to improve collective well being. You don't know what I do with my money, so I'm not sure why you assumed I didn't want to give it to charity. Your question is reflexive and I see it often

So you were straddling the truth and turned away because it frightened you?
>lose sight of yourself and your worth
What the fuck does that even mean?

>Free

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>political philosophy course
i hope you're not going into debt for all that kike brainwashing

>philosophy
>brainwashing
pick 1 faggot. Or do you unironically think Stefan Molyneux isn't brainwashing you

The funny thing about that is that most of the money in the military is thrown out on bullshit to justify the huge budget, so they can request more money to throw out later.
The US military spent more money on what they claim are several hundred million dollar refrigerators than they do on the soldiers supposedly using them. They claim the spent more in blankets than on troops' wages. Taxpayer money goes to absolutely just in case they need to bleed taxpayers more. You could reduce military spending by 5% and allocate that money for free education and reforming the countries entire healthcare paradigm (Americans don't need to consume 160% more per capita pills than anywhere else while still having a lower immunization rate than Ethiopia), and then figure out what to do with the other 5 billion USD.

>university-taught philosophy
>not kike brainwashing
top cuck

>Stefan Molyneux
who?

But you don't want others to decide for themselves what to do with their money (socialism)?

If anyone is interested in the bullshit that goes on with military spending read this.
goodreads.com/book/show/198259.War_is_a_Racket

>I had zero foresight.
If you didn't you wouldn't have invested in crypto, so that's obviously false.
>I was able to take that risk because I was living with my parents at the time and had zero expenditures.
So?... I assume your parents voluntarily chose to gave you their resources, you didn't steal them and so benefitted rightfully.
>Who decides what's earned and what's not?
People decide. And smart people decide people must own the result of their actions - that's how you incentivize them to be productive.
>Are you trying to argue that I collectively earned more than 3000 people?
Yes.
>People who probably worked twice as hard as me?
The Marxist labor theory of value is nonsense. You can work excruciatingly hard pushing large rocks from one end of a field to another all day. That doesn't mean this labor has objective value or will/should fetch a good price on the market.

most people would rather spend their money on the latest consumer good that has been stamped into their brain by advertisers and marketers, not realizing that materal/wealth acquisition is a hedonic treadmill that doesn't improve mental well being. Meanwhile there are millions struggling to pay for bare minimum.

I don't even consider myself a caring person. I just realize that there are disgusting levels of inequality and ideologues claim it would be immoral to fix that. There is not a wide variance in happiness (on average) between someone who makes 50k and someone who makes a million. Or less contentiously, there's no difference in happiness between someone who makes a million and someone who makes a billion. Now of course these people, and likely you, will claim that it's there freedom to pursue what they like. Well I would argue that acquisition is an addiction. The same neurochemical pathways are used by a drug addict.

some brains are wired for empathy and some brains are wired for selfishness. I don't mean that metaphorically, because we can literally map the brains of people with opposing beliefs. They are different. Politics is mainly just trying to convince other people that the values you were predisposed to are the right ones. Which is why I think its so fruitless.

You misunderstand socialism.
For normal currencies it's not "their" money because most of what they have is gathered from the work and business decisions of their employees. For example, the current CEO of Ford does not build, sell, design, or innovate cars, so why does he make the most in that company?
Most Socialists are lumped together with communists, which isn't accurate, as communism is just distilled capitalism with the government being the highest point of the country-wide corporation (the top taking everything from workers).
Socialism would want something along the lines of relevancy based wage caps: the highest yearly salary in a company can't exceed 100x the lowest yearly salary for example. You can make as much as you want, but you have to pay the people actually making that money as well.

It's you who's being intellectually dishonest in treating the same thing - extortion - differently based on who does it. The fact that thieves call themselves "government" doesn't change what they're doing - forcible seizure of the result of someone's labor. It doesn't matter what the thieves spend the loot on or who they give it to.

>Why don't you leave the country
Why doesn't the government leave my home and get out of my socioeconomic interactions? It's the invader on my land and thieving control freak holding me at gunpoint. I most certainly don't benefit from being its slave.

I'm a fascist but crypto made me lean more libertarian.

TAXATION IS THEFT. YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY GAINS.

No, I saw the truth and recognized that it's detrimental to be attached to it. The most productive, succesful people are also delusional. They refuse to repeat to themselves that everything is circumstancial, that there's really nothing at stake. It also turns out that they get a lot of shit done and everyone else usually benefits of it.
For your question, to lose sight of yourself is to ignore and neglect the beneficent qualities that exist in you- your talents, predilections, drive, personality- in favor of the nihilistic "truth." It happened to me and I stopped making art, I stopped trying at work. I became a soulless nothing.
This is what happens to the dudes on r9k. They obviously have something going for them but they refuse to entertain that maybe a little bit of delusion will help get out of the rut that "realistic thinking" (materialism) digs for them.

Thanks for the incredulity, it's good to see the person I used to be.

Muh progress

I can bullshit you all day about what I think, but my actions would probably define me as lefty scum. That being said I'm down with whatever. I don't wish to shape the world, watching you monkeys do all the work is fun enough.

Let me correct that statement:
It's as if the more you have the greedier you become.

>Nothing holds society back more than Savages and their Savage religion.

Nothing holds society back more than retarded Muricans and their meddling on other country affairs.

>I shifted from ideology X to ideology Y because Z.

what makes you think this is the final transition. what makes you think that your experience and knowledge now is the pinnacle of what you can know.

why do yo need to frame your motives in a ideological frame? ideology is just degenerate form of religion.

Cuckitarian
Muh Liberty
Muh racism
Muh freedom

>If you didn't you wouldn't have invested in crypto, so that's obviously false.
why are you, a stranger on the internet with an agenda, telling me what's true and false about my life? I had coinbase so I could buy steroids with BTC. One day I opened the app and saw ethereum jump from 20 to 40 dollars. I purchased 3000 dollars worth from the gym on my phone that day.
>So?... I assume your parents voluntarily chose to gave you their resources, you didn't steal them and so benefitted rightfully.
Why do you attempt to ascribe an overly simplistic notion of right and wrong to a complex biological world? Where did this morality come from? Is it self derived?
>>Are you trying to argue that I collectively earned more than 3000 people?
>>People who probably worked twice as hard as me?
Speaking of pushing large rocks around fields... what do you say to those tens of thousands working in the Congo mining Coltan (the metal used in the device you're using to read this)? They are extorted by western corporations and the chinese, selling them the ore for 1-2$ per kg. It's then sold on the open market for 120$ per kg. You can call them 75IQ africans etc but they are well aware of their plight and are powerless to do anything. If you were born in their shoes you'd be enslaved to the same work.

Can't believe rational leftist are here. Quick, kill them before their ideas spread!

>politics is mainly just trying to convince other people that the values you were predisposed to are the right ones

This is the thought that makes people become libertarian desu
Without the endless infighting that stems from politics people are free to do what they choose. Want to live in a communist farm where people share absolutely everything and eat only what they grow? Great, just do it on your own property. By all means, you can even have your own little 3rd Reich if you'd like.

Also, less government spending means less government workers having to be fed to do unnecessary work that leads to nothing. Rich people do lots of charity and without taxes they'd have more to give (and a bigger incentive to do so, without welfare).

>thinks price controls work
>rational

>Abolishing slavery is price control
Is it true that you libertarians get super triggered if someone brings up highways?

>reaching this level of retardation

where do you get meaninglessness from materialism? You've completely mischaracterized me and my worldview. Sorry you must lie to yourself in order to find purpose in life

You are a useful idiot who would be the first to die at the fire squad under a communist regime.

>it's daddy government's function to protect stupid people from losing their money
fuck off commie

>what is coinbase insider trading
>what is washtrading
>what is one person with 1% of the btc circ supply controlling the entire market

Slavery is only slavery if you can't leave your job, though.
If there are not enough jobs, blame minimum wage laws.

What does racism have to do with it? I can just aswell say that leftism is racist as leftists see minorities as babies that have to be taken care of.

There is no consent in slavery. Slavery is anti-libertarian.

>why are you, a stranger on the internet with an agenda, telling me what's true and false about my life?
Because an action requires a thought behind it. Not that if you had just stumbled upon a piece of gold you wouldn't own it - it's still you who found and picked it up.
>Why do you attempt to ascribe an overly simplistic notion of right and wrong to a complex biological world? Where did this morality come from? Is it self derived?
Action that leads to the survival and happiness of individual is right. Private property, each individual owning what they create, is the only mechanism by which a prosperous civilized society can function. Calling something simplistic isn't an argument, 2+2=4 is pretty simple, doesn't mean it's wrong.
>what do you say to those tens of thousands working in the Congo
To overthrow their socialist governments that led them to this state.
>They are extorted by western corporations
They are "extorted" by the people who offer them work, which is the only reason they can survive and not die of starvation? Wow. You're an immoral idiot, like all socialists. I cannot describe my indignation and disgust at the vicious delirium of your destructive and murderous "ideology". Don't bother responding.

Buyer beware. If we wanted stable, sure gains we would be trading stocks or investing in 401ks

>Because an action requires a thought behind it. Not that if you had just stumbled upon a piece of gold you wouldn't own it - it's still you who found and picked it up.
possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read
>Action that leads to the survival and happiness of individual is right. Private property, each individual owning what they create, is the only mechanism by which a prosperous civilized society can function. Calling something simplistic isn't an argument, 2+2=4 is pretty simple, doesn't mean it's wrong.
ohhhhh, so it's an opinion that you are attempting to state as objective truth by using matter of fact language. Got it. Don't analogize math with the organization of society.
>>what do you say to those tens of thousands working in the Congo
Again, dismissing history to match your tidy ideology that fits in a box. American capitalists help overthrow local governments in south east asia and central america all throughout the late 20th century to establish fruit plantations and textile factories. Your spin-off is amusing though. Wanting less people to unnecessarily die = destructive and murderous. But your ideology of indifference is moral. Right

3rd position, bro.
No wars for Israel (bombing Muslims), but we don't want Muslims or Jews in our counties either.
We take our own side.

You're lazy, you avoid most of the content in my posts. Anyway, if you feel like you experience meaning, then you enjoy a pleasant lie. The materialist reality is that you are less than a speck of turd in the wind of a cosmic fart. Anything beyond that is abstraction and delusion. How can you not see that?

Not remotely. I recognize that paying my taxes results in the funding of public goods by which I benefit and which stabilize a market that I can continue to profit from. That said, I also desire to see that those public goods are safeguarded by prudent administration and judicious spending.

Things that I used to regard as corrupt in my early days, like the military industrial complex, I now recognize as a necessary evil for perpetuating a stable global environment by ensuring a dominant hegemon. I recognize that the power politics engaged in by organizations like the World Bank and IMF are a flawed system but that they represent a check on challenges from emerging third world powers. While I would reform some of these systems incrementally in order to cut out some of the ugliness that I consider excessive, I would never be so foolish as to abolish them.

>speck of turd in the wind of a cosmic fart
I remember when I was an angsty 17 year old

let's agree that we're both lying to ourselves. Now get off your high horse.

It made me Evolian, read on Julius Evola and watch this video to further understand:

youtube.com/watch?v=4YqKf3v2aPs

I was a commie before crypto and actually starting to read books about economics. Im very libertarian now