Big Bang

>Why is this still taught as fact?
because the creationist model doesn't actually have any industrial or commercial applications.

And the Big Bang does?

It's not any more explicable with a deity. Most people aren't claiming we know there was "nothing" and then something either. It's more that there's a beginning of our *observable* universe and by definition we don't know about any of the possible stuff in existence that we don't have access to observe. If you want there to not be something from nothing, you can still have that without a deity by supposing there's a more fundamental reality that's always existed and that our observable universe emerged from. Making the preexisting / timeless thing that explains the beginning of our universe conscious seems pretty inane to me. The whole point of guessing about these things is to try to explain how the end result including complicated thinking organisms like ourselves came together. Having intelligence / consciousness always be there would make all that extreme amount of time and incremental evolutionary progress leading up to thinking organisms nonsensical if intelligence / consciousness were the most fundamental part of reality to begin with. Instead what we see is it's the *least* fundamental part of reality. It came last out of all the innovations we know of and it's dependent on a lower level physical scaffolding.

yeah it does. relative dating is a technique heavily used in mineral extraction and the oil/gas industry. its all based on the assumption that the earth is ~ 6 billion years old, which ties into the big bang.

Given that the CMB was discovered trying to figure out why certain channels in a commercial microwave dish were so noisy, yes, it rather directly does have commercial applications.

>>>the rules of the board

Ae still have yet to find the pulses, or aftershocks, that were supposed to have occurred after the bang.

What pulses or aftershocks? There should be neither if big bang cosmology is accurate since these would require reflection of some wave off of something and there is no wave in big bang cosmology and the existence of such surfaces for reflection would cause significant issues with metric expansion.

> catholic priest.

This.

Why protestants can't be like catholic people? The bible is something to be interpreted acording to the reality you experience like a poem or a painting, not a reality by itself.

Evolution and scientific knowledge don't need the bible to be explained, any catholic would tell you that, instead you use the teachings of the bible to complement yourself in the search for truth in the universe.

the vast majority of people are scientifically illiterate and don't understand how models actually work.

absolute truth is the domain of philosophy and religion, science on the other hand is chock full of guesswork and "good enough" approximations.

our models could be 100% "untrue" and it wouldn't matter because they are useful in making predictions about natural behavior. we still use the hard shell model of the atom for certain applications even though atoms are not hard shells.

>Why protestants can't be like catholic people?

>believing in magic

you would put religion in that category? philosophy more than religion. and science is alot more than guesswork. any discipline is whether history, sociology or primatology

we use geocentricity for pointing telescopes

>it wouldn't matter because they are useful
I wish more people understood this. Scienceism hurts science.

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Wow nice image. So how does that explain where the human genital warts virus comes from?

answersingenesis.org/biology/disease/

>Typically swine flu does not infect humans but occasionally it mutates and then is capable of infecting humans. Contact with pigs is usually necessary to “catch” swine flu but sometimes it mutates further and is transmissible from human to human.
Hmm, that sounds an awful lot like evolution...

They drew that line in the sand decades ago, and did so very poorly. Just look at this exaggerated diagram.

They'll say it's "microevolution". These are the same people who claim every modern species arose from a very small population recently and don't get that they would require more speciation than evolution is capable of, not less.

So how come DNA sequencing shows horizontal gene transfer between phyletic trees?

God is really lazy (guy took a day off after his first project and then it all went to shit) and reuses his code in hacky ways, obviously.

Here's a comic to demonstrate their point.

No, I mean suddenly DNA from another organism suddenly starts showing up in a certain phyletic lineage when its ancestors didn't possess that gene sequence. How do you explain that?

I chose the wrong field. Must be nice to be allowed to throw out anything that doesn't support your ideas and have people eat it up.

yes,

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You'd be amazed. This is their actual train of thought.

>God is really lazy
Isn't doubting the omnipotence of god supposed to be the only unforgivable sin? :^)

Also, they think horse evolution is micro.

In general relativity there is nothing wrong with a universe starting at one time and ending at another. It doesn't even need a big bang, it can just come into being, sit around for a while, then disappear.
This is a mathematical fact -- the question is whether or not it applies to our universe, and your philosophical views don't factor into that.

The strawman isn't even the bad part. They love to trot out those guys, and their readers really just aren't able to get that none of those guys created things based on "god did it", they created things based on math and science.

>god can do anything
>can't forgive you saying mean things

To be fair, if you looked at dog skeletons, you might not be sure if a chihuahua and a great dane were the same species. If only we had some way to determine the time period fossils were from.

I was taught in Bible class that science was very important as by learning the rules God made to governor the Universe we may better understand and respect his greatness.

The only issues I find are when we start extrapolation past our direct knowledge base, then nothing works and you can seem to make up anything.

Like how everything exploded from nothing, sure it kinda of makes sense if you look at it from a quantum potential view point, but then you start wondering why hasn't the diverging complex fields merged back to a zero state destroying everything?

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