Why is being transgender not considered a mental ilness?
Body integrity identity disorder is considered a mental illness. Doctors will refuse to amputate limbs without a medical reason.
Why then, should doctors cut someones dick off because they feel like their body doesn't belong to them?
Is it because of politics?
Some psychologists declared that it is by all means a mental illness but left wing and center MSM just gave them shit and right wing MSM just didn't pay attention. Fringe media like Breitbart, Drudge Report, and Huffington probably overblew it in their own respective ideologies.
it's soft eugenics
do you really wanna tell the guy who is convinced he's a woman to suck it up and pass on his genes or do you want to goad him into castrating himself?
either way I sincerely feel sorry for them
Transgender-ness is an illness. Politics will debate if it is right to call this people sick, but it is an illness by definition.
The problem is where you draw the line on how to treat this people, should you subjugate the body to mind and give the patients special hormones and summit them to body change surgeries.
Or prioritize the body and potentially cause psychological trauma on them.
Either way, poor bastards.
Looking at it like that, it's probably best to go the body route since we don't know too much about the mind. It's better to leave them mutilated and happy, than intact and mad. The second route leaves us with people who can go postal at a moments notice. The first controls that by putting them on estrogen and making them weak.
Actually most people do understand that trannies are mentally ill.
It a good thing we don't stone these faggots, but allowing children to fuck up their bodies is absolutely horribly wrong.
>preteens should be allowed nay encouraged to pump their bodies with hormones of the opposite sex
>but they can't legally consent to sex
what did America meme by this?
>Or prioritize the body and potentially cause psychological trauma on them.
The trauma arguably occurs after they've had the operation and find themselves dissatisfied and disillusioned and disfigured.
But it is considered a mental illness, and turning your dick inside out is considered a treatment for it.
more like unethical sociopath plastic surgeons taking advantage of the severely delusional
Holy shit... you're absolutely right
>should you subjugate the body to mind
That's what it comes down to and in the bigger picture what it's all about. Academics, specifically post-modern academics, are making a big deal put of gender identity disorder as a means to push forth their ideology while promoting justice and tolerance in the eyes of the public.
Their ideology is that the mind takes precedent over the body. It's rooted in the philosophy of idealism. The mind is a symbol of the subjective while the body is symbolic of the objective. And to these post-modernists what you feel and perceive is truth. You may not objectively be a woman from your dick and balls all the way to your chromosomes, but as long as you feel like a woman you are. This logic can be translated to other things as well. The Rachael Dolezal thing for example with race, or how Mexicans who enter the United States illegally are considered Americans because they feel as they are and/or want to be.
The subjective experience rules all in the eyes of these people. To them, we are our minds not our bodies.
But castrated freaks massively regret doing the operations a few years later, and they have a massive suicide rate (something insane like 1 in 3 attempt suicide 10 years after the operation)
Except transitioning doesn't improve their happiness.
Trannies, both pre and post op, have insanely high suicide rates.
So do gays.
Well duh, of course they do. They're mentally ill as well.
Cont.
Many of those who support the transgender really are opposed to efforts to better understand it. GID offers a great opportunity to better understand the brain and the physical structures not only behind identity but consiousness as well. But as stated before, they don't want research to discover something tangle about the brain that explains transgenderism. Check out this article
mediamatters.org
It is seen with research on homosexuality as well.
thedailybeast.com
This ideology is counter productive to medical research.
what's their take on schizophrenics convinced they're being chased by the cia?
Suicide from a estrogen filled man husk is better than some man full of testosterone that can actually do damage to others.
Good point. This rhetoric really is focused and applicable in the journey of self discovery. A man who sees himself as female falls within the category while a man paranoid about the government following him doesn't. Ever since the 1960s, western society has made it their obsession to gain an understanding of self. It is vital to happiness and fulfillment to do so. It is so important that everything has to take a back seat to it, even reality and objectivity. And anyone who does anything to get in the way of that for anyone is labeled as cruel and sadisitic.
IMO that is one of the most apparent differences between STEM and Humanities. When the situation of our lives presents us with a choice between being right and being happy, STEMfags chose the former while Humanitiesfags choose the latter.
The claim that I've normally heard is that gender dysphoria is considered a mental illness but a "successful" transition isn't, because they can lead a normal life and may not have dysphoria anymore. Same argument for homosexuality, it's not a mental illness until it inhibits your life. I'm skeptical that transgender people who are happy exist but the reasoning is sound, it's just semantics.
it's considered a disorder but ultimately gender isn't a real thing, it's just a social construct, unlike biological sex.
Honestly if someone wants to do something to their body, and it will give them happiness there's no real reason to object unless it harms others. People should be allowed to harm themselves.
That's sick, modern doctors are turning people into eunuchs instead of just giving them vasectomy -- this is some dark-age shit.
It's either the doctor does it cleanly and without any issues, or the doctor refuses and the patient does it themselves or goes to some shady underground clinic which can lead to all sorts of medical issues. The doctor isn't the one getting these people into that train of thought to begin with anyways. Society is sick and this is just one of the many symptoms.
Gender dysphoria is considered a "mental illness"--it's listed both in the DSM-V and ICD. This encompasses all the mental issues associated with being transgender, and is usually treated with a combination of psychological and biological methods. Nobody goes straight for cutting off their dick--some forego surgery altogether due to affordability or personal preference, and HRT is much more common in any case.
Even in the case of surgery (which again is not chosen by every trans person), the procedure does not inhibit basic functioning as amputating a limb does and post-op regret is essentially a rounding error. A more comparable procedure would be rhinoplasty or breast augmentation--not a medically necessary procedure, but one that's designed to improve a patient's perception of themselves in some sense or another.
I encourage you to read the literature on brain structure of trans people and their experience post-transition. I mention brain structure because the literature conveys that that MtF often have similar brain structures to non-transgender women, and FtM similar structures to non-transgender men, which gives a biological basis for dysphoria.
I have no particular opinion on the "correctness" of someone transitioning. I think you can disagree that transition is an effective method of dealing with gender dysphoria, but comparisons to serious, incredibly damaging disorders like BIID or schizophrenia are off the mark. In any case, there's a wealth of biological and psychological literature which deals with the basic how and why of transgenderism that is worth reading, as I mentioned earlier. There was a good compilation on /lgbt/ that I'll try to find.
I guess it is okay then, for the good of humanity.
>People should be allowed to harm themselves
They better pay out of their own pockets to get those balls cut off though.
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Post-OP trannies have a lower suicide rate than pre-OP. The problem is that people become trannies for different reasons, so the same treatment won't always work.
it isnt an illness till it has detrimental effects on your life, an illness means you have to be sick. an illness is defined as a sickness. its not a philia, its simple gender identity and may be linked to sexual attraction. Now there may be people genuinely sick with a mental disorder where they are fixated on it in an unhealthy way, those people can be classified with a mental illness because obviously... He was cutting off his dick with shears in the school broom closet. but just to be transgender doesnt make you mentally ill.
They, themselves, are schizophrenic on the issue.
'Pathologizing' political opponents by deeming opposition to party platforms a mental illness is a time honored tactic.
There is no thing that a leftist says is horrible or unjustifiable that he himself will not then use against those that upset him. A leftwing critique of something is a solipsist drawing a picture of himself.
That his hypocrisy is endemic and inevitable does not mean the virtuous stance translates into those tired old reversals like 'liebrals are the real racists', but that those very things that all concerned pseudo sanctimoniously condemn and then inevitably indulge in hypocritically, those are the *true* virtuous and essential things. A 'bug' that resists all attempts at patching means the patches are bugs.
The sooner everyone explicitly acknowledges there is no such thing as neutrality and that there are no prisoners in a culture war, the better.
That way we can actually get the Kampf kicked into high gear so the superior winners can cast the inferior losers into oblivion, as god intended.
Nobody that knows anything thinks that transgenderism isn't a mental illness. Even most trannies will say it's a mental illness.
it's not that stupid considering these people dont want the opposite sex as sexual partners but their "same" sex while feeling inadequate.
I'm not defending the whle thing, the ideology between transgenre piss me off like hell, but i still understand the witch in hormone as "logical" before even considering sex for them.
Although, as stated before, what is the most important ? Discussing with them about this illness ? Is it a real thing that can be "healed" ? Or giving them hormones that will fulfill their dream / illness. This is a very difficult topic.
gender dysphoria is an illness.
the treatment is gender reassignment (hormonal treatment and/or surgery)
why?
because they tried therapy, they've continued to try therapy, and it doesn't work. the single best option (as far as preventing suicide and ensuring a reasonable quality of life) is to make the body match the mind, not vice versa.
The only problem with changing the body is wtf do we do with the non binary tards who apparently don't feel right either way
Except you're wrong, because hormonal therapy and surgery do not improve survival long-term for transgender patients. They actually have higher mortality than those that don't undergo reassignment surgery.
It is a mental illness, the problem is we are basically stone-age at treating mental illnesses, and even widespread ones with accepted pharmaceutical treatments like depression are basically guessing and often to the detriment of the patient.
Until we develop a more scientific understanding of the brain, the mechanisms of consciousness, et al, we can't really address these problems. We like to think we can because randomly applying some serotonin sometimes makes sad people happy again but we really don't.
We are in the age of "cut off the leg with a hacksaw to save the body" with regards to mind medicine.
The funny thing is that if these freaks actually go ahead and chop of their dicke and balls they quite promptly off themselves in most cases lmao
Whether that's something you want to condone on the taxpayers dollar is a more interesting discussion
>the single best option (as far as preventing suicide and ensuring a reasonable quality of life) is to make the body match the mind
would you advocate this position for drug addiction?
Of course it's because of the politically correct bullshit.
t-that makes sense.
Yes, of course it's because of fucking politics, those nu-male cuckold feel good bullshit SJW elite marxist jews promote a libtard world to lower the white male's standing because they are afraid.
This person knows what's up.
Fuck, you're right.
I think it is, we just live in a time when we care more about how bad things sound and not what they actually mean. It's obviously pretty shitty if you are not comfortable with who you are to a point that no motivational shit will help you. This clearly causes a lot of stress and damage to someone. But for you average femimistqueerfagget, people can instantly change gender if they want to because it is a social construct, so obviously it cannot have any physical implications. And Veeky Forums asks why scientists hate liberal arts majors...
Are fake tits an illness?
Does it matter to a large number of people?
Does it matter?
And not the only instance of that.
austenhartke.com
"So, to sum up, body dysmorphia causes someone to believe their body is a certain way, while gender dysphoria is a sense that the body should be a different way. People with BDD are not able to see the difference between the way their body is and the way other people see their body; transgender folks are uncomfortably able to see the way their body really is, and the way that reality conflicts with their internal experience of their gender."
There is a fairly clear distinction here. BIID is closely related to BDD, while both are entirely separate from Gender Dsymorphia.
i can't argue with digits but they're really shitting up society
GID.
Gender Identity Disorder.
It is a disorder.
Albeit a very manageable disorder.
Normal people just need to avoid them.
holy shit
The guillotine.
All the Marxist social nonsense should be kept out of medical and scientific discussion on the subject; there is enough of a tangible and independently, separately evident link between biological sex and gender that it's reasonable to say there are only two genders, even if we assume gender is a social construct. This is supported by the grand majority of transitioners embracing a very traditionally masculine or feminine role, personality and appearance. Nonbinary gender and and similar filthy concepts are based on the pursuit of an ideological equality of outcome. It is reasonable to assume there is a large overlap of LGBT people and social Marxists, since conservative politics are often set against LGBT people, but as a standalone identification it has not been established that nonbinary people are experiencing gender dysphoria at all similar to transgendered people, and all available evidence suggests they are not.