In this thread: High paying jobs that don't require a college degree. Creative ways to make money

In this thread: High paying jobs that don't require a college degree. Creative ways to make money.

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Abstract painter

drug dealer

abstract movement died 70 years ago m8

*legal

lawyer

>High paying jobs that don't require a college degree

President of the United States.

who I imagine you're talking about

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Welder and camgirl
That’s it
Combine it and you might get 1mil a year
And don’t say YouTuber that’s a male camgirl

What is there to know about welding?

it will destroy your body, and you'll be replaced by a machine within a decade

got it. believable.

He said welder not camgirl

KEK

Underrated

Welding. Easiest 500k a year you will earn

Wear your fucking goddamn vision protection and don't breathe the fumes

Poker

kek, zero experience puts me off.

Drawing porn.

>don't breathe the fumes

I don't know where you work at but every welder I've seen on the shop floor usually does not wear a breathing mask. You'll definitely make money welding if you know what you're doing and get onto a union but that shit is terrible for your body.

There are people making buckets of money as abstract painters, you typically need a prestigious degree and high culture connections to sell your shit smears for decent cash though.

indeed, you too can make more than a surgeon drawing furry cuck porn

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WTF

I've heard you can make good money working on oil rigs out west, like the dakotas. And you dont spend anything because they give you food and shelter. Would be cool to go out there for a few months and come back with a load of cash to invest/launch a biz

oh nvm, that pic is like a month old his patreon is now $500/month higher

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2,000+ people, thats crazy

Who the hell is paying this guy anything? A Patreon data-breach would be hilarious.

You'll quit after one day

Why?

Painter here. You can make money as an artist but if you want to make a lot of it you most likely need an MFA from a really good school and connections with NYC or LA galleries. Most artists tend to go into teaching or have another 2nd job. I teach but I also take the money I make selling paintings and invest it into crypto. Also, abstract versus representational doesn't matter, there are good and bad painters in both and it hasn't difference hasn't really been a concern in the art world for 50+ years now. Galleries can sell anything and a lot of shitty artists are very rich, look up Damien Hirst, Tracey Emin, or Jeff Koons. For the most part, unless you've invested an incredible amount of time and effort to get good, show in legit places, and build your career, you won't make money pumping out crap paintings on etsy or some shit.

Lived in the dakotas all my life and ruffnecking isnt for everyone. Go to school for safety for a year or so and then get a job near oil. No reason to waste intelligence shouldering pipe and throwing chain.

Because its back breaking work dumbass. U think it'll be a vacation working in the dakotas?

I’m a pasty short nerd but I go to Planet Fitness sometimes. Do I have what it takes to be an oil rig badass?

post some of your work

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What kind of work experience do you have? And be honest. Also everything over there is seriously inflated. Rent food is all super expensive.

selling your boipussi to 60 year old shipping magnates

i earn 300 dollars/hr

No but as long as you aren't a bitch you'll make it through. If you have to ask yourself if you are a bitch, then you should probably just cam for money in womens clothing.

I worked at McDonalds for 3 years which killed my soul, I was then unemployed until my late 20s at which point I started a software company selling illegal software and made some money but eventually went bankrupt. Now I am 29 and have no legitimate work history, 30k in the bank, 20k in cash, and a pile of coke the size of a watermelon on my desk.

And like I said I’m a skinny short computer nerd in decent shape

drugs are bad for you

Coke like the soda my friend
Caffeine free so it’s cool.

Why dont u just be a drug dealer? If i had a good connect thats what i would tbqh

If you're into drugs now moving would get you caught up into meth faster. Probably sit this one out junior

I don’t

The coke part was a joke. As well as anything implying I’ve broken the law in any way whatsoever

However the rest is true and my question remains

Im sure mcdonalds requires some manual labor but i dont think u would be prepared for real manual labor. I would just focus on computer science senpai

I think I can handle lifting some pipes (?)
My only concern is that the other guys will have epic IRL memes and funny banter that I can’t keep up with. :(

moron

Farm Hand especially in Canada

There is a large demand for Farmers and a larger demand for farm hand 20-30/hr plus bonuses is pretty average. Only downside is that its seasonal work and you generally need connections.

Programming anyone?

I sit at my computer all day so I should make money off it!

How many people do you think have thought this. There is a never ending supply of code monkeys, unless you make a revolutionary app the only code monkeys who will make a living would have gone to college for it. Not because they may learn something you can't but because it's a screening process.

Fug no. I'm successful enough that I'd show up on an image search. Prefer to keep it user, user.

objectively false. established companies have to hire citizens, and most citizens of developed countries are too fucking lazy and stupid to learn anything useful.

it's still one of the easiest things to break into and make a high salary, if you can actually do it and aren't a retard.

This is simply not true, if you can do the job you can get a job as a junior dev. Most NEETs don’t have the work ethic required to learn everything needed though and show up and interview well etc. But a degree is absolutely not needed for software dev.

oh, so you're just larping then

faggot

W...would you watch me user?

What would a route into coding look like for somebody who is 28 but never went to college? What sort of time scale would it take to get from this post into a job that pays above minimum wage?

I'm working as a C++ programmer. Not education at all

3 to 6 months for basics and 6 to 12 months for job readiness assuming you work at it full time. You can probably get a paid internship which in my area is about 2x minimum wage. Junior positions often pay 30-60k.

As for route, you need to start with he basics. Cs50 or can 6.00.1x. Then branch our from there.

Get a gig at a night club on the weekends, working two jobs and school I’ve made 75k last year

>Cs50
>CS50 (Computer Science 50) is an on-campus and online introductory course on computer science from Harvard and, as of 2015, Yale Universities. And, as of 2016, available in high schools as an AP course. The course material is available for free with a range of certificates available for a fee. The on-campus version is Harvard's largest class with 800 students, 102 staff and up to 2,200 participants in their regular hackathons.[1][2]
is paying the fee for the certificates worthwhile?

I would be able to set aside 20-25 hours per week for it realistically.
I have a high IQ though, I learn pretty fast.

For someone who does not have a degree, certificates are worthwhile Veeky Forums but at best you should have your employer pay for them.

Its a high school course ffs.
I guess if youre doing the work anyway you might aswell pay the fee

No the cert is worthless. You’d do just as well to simply list it on your resume or mention it during he interview. If you are smart just learn the content and ignore the cert. they care about your portfolio and what you can do, not some useless cert for a high school class. I personally started with python so I recommend cos 6.00.1x

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I suspected as much.
Being honest with myself, from what I've gathered from google and youtube, most coding work looks boring as hell and the only motivation would be to earn more than I do now, which is a worrying train of thought as it seems to be pretty common among people my age and older who have never done it before but are willing to learn.
A few google searches will eventually take you to forums full of fat single mothers, cab drivers and pajeets all doing these meme online courses, which tells me there isnt necessarily a future in avoiding a college degree, the bottom end of the food chain are all cutting each others throats.

I guess its better than what I do now, middle management at a vending machine company I've worked for since I was 16, salary is shit tier.

You either want it or you don’t. It takes work. If you have no motivation you will wash out immediately. If you hate the work you will hate it even if you get paid well. It’s sll up to you.

>A few google searches will eventually take you to forums full of fat single mothers, cab drivers and pajeets all doing these meme online courses, which tells me there isnt necessarily a future in avoiding a college degree, the bottom end of the food chain are all cutting each others throats.
Shocker, lazy search regarding the laziest methods and you find bottom of the barrel people and get discouraged. You’ll never make it with this retarded attitude

Motivation shouldnt be an issue considering the alternative, its not as if I'd be passing up the opportunity to be a commissioned hot air balloon designer or professional surfer for it.
How much of a real code monkey job is actually writing code? You'd think by now every possible problem is solved via google searches and just cutting and pasting other peoples work, then modifying it slightly. Not knocking it at all, it'd be retarded not to do it.

>Shocker, lazy search regarding the laziest methods and you find bottom of the barrel people
You dont choose what you find, an user saying 12 months of full time work will get you potentially ready for work needs verified, googling how long its taken others isnt being lazy.
Also, I am very much at the bottom of the barrel.

I’m on mobile so I can’t write you an essay but you have the wrong idea here. Stop using the term “code monkey” since it’s clear you know nothing about software dev so you don’t know what an actual code monkey even is. Your job as a dev is to provide solutions to s problem, full stop. Copy pasting on stack overflow or whatever just isn’t necessary or useful in most situations, this is not a simple question answer scenario, you have to know your shit and be able to apply it if you want to get anywhere at all. Again the distinction between problem-solution and “just copy code to get it working” is a big one. Not saying you won’t do that (it’s a huge part of the day to day) but failing to understand the difference tells me that you’re really naive at least

Everything you’ve posted thus far makes me think you’re a dumbass. You can come change my mind but I’d be surprised

Lung cancer by 40

im a video producer. i can charge up to 30k usd for a video sometimes.

>failing to understand the difference tells me that you’re really naive at least
I'm just trying to be realistic, lets face it doing the same courses as 10million other people isnt about to put me on the bleeding edge of software design regardless of competition. You are right in saying I shouldnt use the term code monkey though. You dont need any great insight to know I have no idea what I'm talking about when I straight up say I've never done it before.
Rightfully all fields have different tiers of potential candidates and expectations, I'd expect you'd need years of experience and a CS degree to even be considered for a position that requires ingenuity or responsibility, which is worlds away from where I am now.

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No shit Sherlock, the bar to deciding to become a “coder” through self study is pretty low. You seem to have gone through the whole spectrum in a record breaking 20 minutes, right? YOu being “realistic” sounds to me like rationalizing your own failings and your inability to see 5 feet in front of you. You don’t need a CS degree. If you truly have 5e intellect you can learn to do th job and that is enough to get hired. Here’s an example of a non dumbass who seems to have done just fine

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Make all the excuses you want. The only thing stopping you is you.

I appreciate your replies but you arent making much of an impression on me either given you have so far dismissed out of hand concerns about the market becoming saturated with low skill level beginners all doing similar courses, despite the massive online push for pretty much anyone and everyone to do it, learning the same material like parrots.
But especially this line
>If you hate the work you will hate it even if you get paid well. It’s sll up to you.
I suspect you are well intentioned but naive yourself in many regards

Painter here.
Cryptos and paintings all the way.
Crazy to think something from nothing can get you something.
Abstract painting will never die.

literally no such thing anymore. College degrees are needed for any job that isn't minimum wage. They do this because it filters out high testosterone men who are easily distracted. Most college degrees don't teach any valuable skills at all but you have to be a soy boy to get a hold of one.

fucking kek

I’m dismissing it because you’re saying the same old tired shit that anyone with half a brain can hypothesize about within 1 nanosecond of arriving in the topic. You call yourself high IQ but you seem like an unmotivated doofus to me.

And again I’m on mobile so I don’t care to be eloquent or verbose

A year of training is a big commitment, I'm only asking questions, not claiming to have anything figured out. A dumbass would take everything they read at face value without trying to find out what the big picture is.
When I was in HS in the mid 2000s, about 50% of the people I was friends with went on to do retarded media courses at college, despite there being 1million+ people graduating every year with 'media' certificates at all levels competing for 10,000 new media jobs per year, in a field where those jobs typically dont even go to people with media degrees.

I know software/web development hasnt reached those levels but I'm just wondering if the analogy is even remotely similar.

Let me see if I can get to a real computer

Alright, I'm back. I understand where you're coming from and you're right to be concerned for those reasons. To answer you directly, I went through the same thing and it took me a while to gather a full understanding of the situation the industry is in today. The tl;dr is that ultra low-tier code monkey jobs are outsourced to India. These are really shit-tier and result in a lot of half-broken garbage that has to be redone three times (which is fine because they work for $2/hour) or fixed by a final pass team locally. Slightly less shit-tier stuff is done by interns and junior developers.

Most jobs favor degrees, let's not pretend otherwise. It also depends on networking, just the same as anything else. If you're just firing off job applications to random companies fishing expedition style, your results are going to be similar to any other industry—in a sense, you can argue that things are competitive in every field at every level etc.

That said, software development is somewhat unique in that it's similar to a trade or a classical profession wherein you could get the job if you simply have a high IQ and can demonstrate that you can do it. In this context, that means a portfolio, strong interviewing skills, and the ability to think critically and apply your knowledge (pass whiteboard tests). While it benefits you to have a CS degree, it is absolutely not required, and if you can demonstrate that you can do the job, you can get a job, full stop. I have already gone through what you're going through now with these questions and I am telling you the answer is that you can do it if you want to.
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If everybody asks the same question in the first nanosecond then surely its a legit question?
I asked
>are there too many people doing the same thing
>isnt most of 'the code' already written on stack overflow and elsewhere
Granted these are naive brainlet questions and obvious for a reason. You replied by saying that it isnt an issue as real world work is about problem solving, I then asked
>isnt the problem solving work done by none beginners and people with real degrees, not starting from scratch?
Then you started the hamster wheel saying I'm a dumbass, despite that being the reality in other fields.

I think we're done here

You will have to continually update your skills. This is not a slacker job where you simply coast. I gave you that line you criticized above and what I was getting at with that is that if you don't also enjoy development as a hobby, it might not be a good fit for you. It's not a great job to get just because it pays the bills because it can be quite miserable if you don't have an aptitude or interest in it.

The path to getting a job is simple
- learn the basics of OOP
- learn Big O, time complexity
- learn algorithms, searching, sorting, etc.
- be able to actually develop shit. You talk about cookie cutter people all doing the same programs etc etc and yes that stuff is saturated, but these people are mindless drones who can't think critically. There is a reason entry level positions are still paying 50k in the US when many degree holders are working at Starbucks. Use that high IQ of yours and think critically—why is this? Who gets those jobs? Yes they are somewhat competitive but who is competing? Clueless morons most of the time.

Again if you can do the job you can get the job. It will require that you tick all of the boxes and actually know what you're doing and be able to think critically and creatively and apply it correctly. A huge part of the job is simply being able to interpret a client's needs and adapt that to planning a project; its development implications etc.

>I think we're done here
K. enjoy the job you've been stuck in since age 16 or whatever

good luck, friend

Currently learning Python so that I can freelance. Building some of my own apps. Programming is the true neet lifestyle.

>The path to getting a job is simple
>- learn the basics of OOP
>- learn Big O, time complexity
>- learn algorithms, searching, sorting, etc.
Forgot to mention, it's not just "be able to actually develop shit"

By this I mean learn some frameworks, pick something to specialize in, that kind of thing. I personally started with Android and moved into iOS and got my first real day job as an iOS developer. No degree, no experience.

Currently self employed but it was trivial. I think the link I posted above nails it fairly well--project-oriented resume, strong portfolio, interview well, be able to actually answer their questions, get the job.

Many places, especially startups, do not care about your degree and will absolutely take a chance on you for well above min wage. Yes it's tough and being willing to relocate helps immensely. But IMO it's a far superior option to getting a CS degree this late in the game (btw CS is not programming—google it) and coming out of school at like 32 or whatever (you said you were 28?) and then competing with a bunch of 22-yo degree holders for the same shit

Alright that makes more sense, having a CS degree AND a good protfolio would be ideal but just demonstrating you have the ability to solve problems via an interesting portfolio can get you a job if youre good enough.
I can imagine the majority of the people doing these online courses and on the single mum forums are just submitting their coursework as portfolio examples, which recruiters have probably seen 10,000 times.

I guess the advice is learn the basics like everyone else but work on some more complex real world problems that others are not capable of to stand out.

Replies are out of sync, I wasnt expecting you to type anything else, you answered my questions so ignore that.

Wow thanks for this user. I have spent the past month doing around 6 hours a day of Javascript/html/css to try and get a job in this field one day. What is a 'strong portfolio'? E.g. creating an app with 1000+ users?

>having a CS degree AND a good protfolio would be ideal
Yes, and this is what you need if you consider yourself a hotshot who is absolutely going to get a job at Google by the time you turn 19 years old. But if you're a 28-year-old guy and you just want a comfortable lifestyle with an above-average salary working at literally wherever will employ you—not unreasonable—then focus on the fact that yes, you can indeed get a job if you can do the job (and demonstrate as much).

This will require a very strong portfolio

In my case I had three published apps on the App Store and a few open source apps before anyone would even talk to me. I wrote a twitter bot to amass followers who are likely to be in the field and I posted funny tweets with programming memes and maintained a dev blog with my progress which I tweeted about. Eventually I started talking about needing a job and someone literally DM'd me asking for my info. That never went anywhere but eventually I got a job and I barely tried.

You say you're high IQ and if that's true you can do it. I gave you a rough outline above. Beyond that you need to specialize and be able to do something very well. Good examples include

- full stack — that's front end (what you see), back end (what works and generally runs on the server, API stuff) web development
- mobile - android and iOS apps, native, learn the guidelines, etc.
- embedded, systems stuff etc - often requires a degree or very high intelligence, autistic level of interest, etc.

You are worried about very reasonable things and I completely understand. Pajeet is not a threat. He does the ultra useless grunt work and he does it poorly. My example: I was willing to relocate across the country, take a modest paycheck for 6 months (got a raise shortly thereafter), put myself out there in creative ways (literally emailed and annoyed the shit out of engineers at companies, spammed Twitter as I said above which was great for leads, etc), (cont)

>(cont)
...and most importantly I learned to do the job. Most people you're talking about—Shaniqua taking some shitty affirmative action bootcamp—are NOT competing with you. Yes you'll start at a disadvantage in many ways. Yes you are probably not going to compete with Chad "Gizomo" Thundercock with his CS degree and 3 internships at age 21. But you can absolutely self study, learn to do the job (if you're smart and hard working), and get a job as a result. It's that simple.

>What is a 'strong portfolio'? E.g. creating an app with 1000+ users?
I had 3 apps on the app store and a few open source projects. In my case employers wanted to see basic CRUD, they were impressed to see that I knew Apple's guidelines very well, etc. Things like whipping up a simple app that can pull data from an API, process the json appropriately, shove everything into a nice table view in some sensibly designed tabbed interface with image caching and lazy loading and all of that fun stuff, properly implemented refresh pulldown, etc etc

This is all very basic but the point is I was able to make a fully functional app that didn't look like trash from a tutorial, and that's where you need to be, and that's what constitutes a strong portfolio.

People say things like "contribute to open source projects" and I guess that's probably true but that's not what I did, I open sourced one of my own projects and just developed it alone and they liked that in addition to just having published apps, user count doesn't matter much in my experience btw

It’s crazy reading your point of view because I think the same exactly as you. The other codeanon had some good info.

Same age (28) and wondering what’s the point of going into a new field if I’m late and everyone else has years of experience. I have a feeling that I’m fucked. I’ve tried coding and it’s frustrating. It’s not hard, but it’s fucking frustrating in that if one fucking letter is off, it doesn’t work. Requires shitloads of patience. I guess as we get older our brains slowly become set in stone. Those kids that started coding all day at 18 are going to turn out ok. Me? I got bit by the music bug and although I got TV show placements and stuff, I still didn’t make it. Now I’m here thinking of putting years into something I don’t give a fuck about when I spent the last 14 years eating breathing and sleeping one thing.

Sigh. Id like to think it’s fate but everything is just random and based on circumstance. Also throw in parents who add pressure of failure and you’re fucked.