Read Tolkien as a kid

An institution is only strong if it rejects everything that is not itself

The papacy is why Catholics have beautiful and interesting rites, histories, and traditions while protestants have the Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism

>ignoring east orthodox
I wonder why...

>mfw Tolkien is incredibly popular among muslims who fail to see the irony

What's the irony exactly? A more traditionalist author like Tolkien seems like a much better fit than some degenerate libshit author.

There are large comparisons to be made between the fight of man against orcs and between Europeans against Muslims.

Osgiliath, the city of two halfs divided by a great river, is very comparable to Constantinople; Minas Tirith, the "gateway" city built into the mountain, likewise to Vienna. Of course, the massive charge of the Rohirrim at Pelenor fields while Minas Tirith is being besieged is also startlingly similar to the incredibly large cavalry charge of the Polish to relieve Vienna in 1683.

It's pretty undeniable that the Catholic resistance to the Muslim invasion of Europe was a big influence on Tolkien's ideas for the great war between the men of the west, and the orcs of the east, coming out from their arid lands. Which is why it's funny that Muslims are so blind to Tolkien essentially regarding them as orcs.

How is god different from the flying spaghetti monster?

if i believe in god can i be as cool as u someday?

I don't know, that seems like a post-structuralist interpretation that Tolkien never really intend for. In fact, I think that says much more about your view of muslims than of Tolkien's work. Was he inspired by the history of Christianity? Certainly. Did the orcs symbolise muslims? I very much doubt that.

This guy gets it.

Pic rel8ed = u rite now.

kek, what is post-structuralist in trying to interpret author's intent by perceiving some parallels between inbook events and some historical events?

orcs rather symbolize workers and masses that come into politics very loudly in XX century (national socialism, communism). Tolkien is afraid of the changing nature of capitalism and modernization. Btw sauron was a good guy

>We were supposed to have reached a stage of civilization in which it might still be necessary to execute a criminal, but not to gloat, or to hang his wife and child by him while the orc-crowd hooted. The destruction of Germany, be it 100 times merited, is one of the most appalling world-catastrophes. Well, well,—you and I can do nothing about it. And that [should] be a measure of the amount of guilt that can justly be assumed to attach to any member of a country who is not a member of its actual Government. Well the first War of the Machines seems to be drawing to its final inconclusive chapter—leaving, alas, everyone the poorer, many bereaved or maimed and millions dead, and only one thing triumphant: the Machines.

>Urukhai is only a figure of speech. There are no genuine Uruks, that is folk made bad by the intention of their maker; and not many who are so corrupted as to be irredeemable (though I fear it must be admitted that there are human creatures that seem irredeemable short of a special miracle, and that there are probably abnormally many of such creatures in Deutschland and Nippon — but certainly these unhappy countries have no monopoly: I have met them, or thought so, in England's green and pleasant land).

Embrace it.

EO does the same thing, they just have different mechanisms (less effective ones imo).

That's some low quality bait user.

I dropped the Trial when I realized it was a shitty version of Seinfeld.

I have no advice OP.

>man at least if hell
>is full of flames its some place hot

What did he mean by this?

>when I realized it was a shitty version of Seinfeld

Thats a funny way to spell Faramir

>Minas Tirith
>literally the White City

It's more like Belgrade, their names mean the same and are both located similarly.
Osgiliath is Constantinople, I'd say.

you embrace it. The sense of epic and mysticism felt as a child came from God.

He's good too.

Funny way to spell Fingolfin

Minas Tirith means Tower of Watch, pleb.

That's a funny way to spell Tuor.

Fingolfin was a genius, sure, but he was a turbo Chad and held a grudge like a motherfucker.

Once you see the Jesuit, you cannot unsee him.

>papists out to denude men of their masculine features and reduce them all to little boys
You can't make this shit up.

>he was a turbo Chad
That's a good thing user.

>subscribing to Tolkien's traditionalist monarchist ideology
>not looking past the mythology to the core values independent of catholicuck spooks
>not valuing the worldbuilding aesthetic and the culture Tolkien created over the poorly written characters and the shitty plot

Tolkien's traditionalism is his downfall. His belief is superior bloodlines and obvious symbolism of the wealthy repressing the rise of class consciousness is a blight on an otherwise good fantasy world. He looks upon the past with rose tinted goggles, reaping the fruits of modern life while fantasizing about an idyllic era that never truly existed. Sauron was a hero representing the disenfranchised "evil" underclass against the wealthy.

>not picking the superior son of Finwe
shiggy diggy desu

>Then Fëanor laughed as one fey, and he cried: ‘None and none!
>What I have left behind I count now no loss; needless baggage on the
>road it has proved. Let those that cursed my name, curse me still, and
>whine their way back to the cages of the Valar! Let the ships burn!’

Marxism is a mental illness.

>being this deep in the I D E O L O G Y

lmao @ ur life

You're literally opposing your own interests. Keep parroting that you're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire while the ultra rich laugh their asses off at you from their private jets.

The orcs in the books weren't mindless monsters like in the movies, they were just a different race in a segregated world.

>You're literally opposing your own interests
>implying i'm not a capitalist

>supporting an ideology that cripples your own social standing as well as that of 90%+ of society so others can exploit you

There aren't words for this level of retardation.

Woops, I got Fingolfin and Feanor mixed up in my head.

Yeah, Fingolfin is fucking awesome, Feanor is the douche.

nice reading comprehension
i'm the one doing the exploiting

>i'm the one doing the exploiting
unless you're jewish, this probably isn't the case

>learned helplessness
Sad!

How do you think the wealthy became wealthy in the first place?

>people aren't superior, even if they succeed where others don't
lmao

how fucking stupid can you get

>Keep parroting that you're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire
But that line is a Marxist bumper sticker platitude that Marxists exclusively parrot

By being related to someone who lived on the island a bit closer to the magic fairy land?

>social Darwinism

Lmao you can't possibly be serious

Those born into wealth and power have an easy road to riches, those born in the social underclasses are disadvantaged and can usually only hope to scratch out a living, especially in a feudal society like the one existing in Tolkien's world. Elitist bullshit is still alive and well today, but it was far worse in the past world Tolkien depicts.

The Marxists have correctly diagnosed the problem, but the "workers utopia" solution is naive. Revisionism is needed before Marxism is ready to be applied in practice, yet it still miles ahead of existing systems.

the real solutions are either anarcho primitivism or annihilating human existence. i prefer the second

/pol/fags stop pretending that you read books, please, THE LORD OF THE RINGS AND RELATED WORKS ARE NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM ALLEGORY TOLKIEN HIMSELF SAID THIS REEEEEEEE. And even IF it was Middle-Easterners would be Easterlings not fucking Orcs, you dumb fucking shit.

He just meant that it wasn't one fixed allegory. He was okay with people doing readings.

>Those born into wealth and power
Let me stop you right there. Nice reading comprehension fuckwit, how did their predecessors get their wealth? By being better.

And I doubt you've even read Tolkien from your statements. There's glaring examples to the contrary such as Beregond.

Numenor was a reward for the deeds of men in the First Age, it was earned, not given. Nice try.

>Nice try
At what?

Not much at all in truth. That sort of drivel is so commonplace it barely merits refuting.

You refuted nothing.

t. Ivan Ivanovich Ivanovski

Your shitty russian fanfic is gay.

>Marxist calling others ideological

Typical, rational debate breaks down into empty denial. Wow, it's so weird that the world doesn't take commie sentiments seriously.

>alluding to rational claims instead of actually providing them
Sad!

Marxism is the accurate description of class conditions. Therefore it's not ideological but scientific.

>claims thing occurred
>point out it didn't in the plot
>LOLWHATAREYOUTALKINGABOUTNO

What didn't happen in the plot that I claimed happened?

Feel free to actually read the posts you've responded to.

Thanks. Feel free to answer the questions asked in the post you're responding to.

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You only think it's low quality because you have been trained by the bourgeoisie to think so.

The idea was flawless, the execution was terrible. Needs to be done better to get the point across.

They tried too early. If they hadn't been in dire need of manpower they could have killed as many people as was necessary to create a new man.

>more fucking social Darwinism

You're embarrassing yourself at this point. Exploiting others and seizing capital for yourself is sociopathic greed. And the descendants of the people who initially seized control of resources/monetary value aren't inherently better than any other children, they're clean slates. Lamarckian evolution is a steaming pile of disproven bullshit. Tolkien believed in monarchy and aristocracy, and its a terrible precedent to set in fiction.

Traddies are scum.

>unironically being a cultural Marxist

>clean slates

I love you Anand

They'ren't ignoring him because of his lack of faith, they're ignoring him because he's an ass

read the children of hurin, no heavyhanded father son holy ghost inserts. Still has the comfy racial/tribal war undertones and fun christian suicide struggles which are the best part of xtian lit/tolkien anyway.

>Muh oppression

at least this guy posted the full name am I supposed to put MacDonald into google and know exactly who your talking about?

Like this image, saved it, googled for Prof Jordan Peterson, found his youtube.

"45 minutes on a single paragraph of Nietzsche's Beyond Good & Evil"

I'm a bit stunned just knowing that such a video exists. Looking forward to watching I think...

But how is God different from the flying spaghetti monster?

You're retarded. Leave

>if I put neo in front of something it means it's bad

actually, op, catholicism owns... what are you... some altright nerd?

Something tells me he'd have a really dumb interpretation of the Neetzsch.

>And the descendants of the people who initially seized control of resources/monetary value aren't inherently better than any other children, they're clean slates
Oh God mainstream ideology is so fucking insane

Engineering majors are generally not sociopaths, they're people who are decent at math and are concerned with material security (there is nothing wrong with wanting to have money for your family)

Thinking humans are clean slates is far more insane, especially because you recognize the existence of some traits of "human decency" that are lacking in sociopaths.
>everybody's the same unless they're mentally ill
>all neurological differences are explained by environment, genetics is unrelated, you can teach a dog calculus if you bring them up right

You're dumb

I can almost hear the victimization in your voice. Nothing is more pathetic than condemning people for acting in accordance with the laws of nature.

>cry social Darwinism
>cite Lamarck
you're not very bright are you

I don't think you know what "Lamarckian evolution" is in the first place but regardless of that it is actually a real thing and it's called "punctuated equilibrium"

>Exploiting others and seizing capital for yourself is sociopathic greed.

Pure ressentiment.

>(T)he problem with the other origin of the “good,” of the good man, as the person of ressentiment has thought it out for himself, demands some conclusion. It is not surprising that the lambs should bear a grudge against the great birds of prey, but that is no reason for blaming the great birds of prey for taking the little lambs. And when the lambs say among themselves, "These birds of prey are evil, and he who least resembles a bird of prey, who is rather its opposite, a lamb,—should he not be good?" then there is nothing to carp with in this ideal's establishment, though the birds of prey may regard it a little mockingly, and maybe say to themselves, "We bear no grudge against them, these good lambs, we even love them: nothing is tastier than a tender lamb."

>And the descendants of the people who initially seized control of resources/monetary value aren't inherently better than any other children, they're clean slates.
>Muh tabula rasa

>Tolkien believed in monarchy and aristocracy, and its a terrible precedent to set in fiction.

Yeah, show me that great classless literature bro.

>Traddies are scum.
>

dude is a lolbertarian/cuckservative

he's one of those autismos who wont use someones pronouns, not because they think trannies are whack, but because its "not proper english"

>monarchy is evil
Why? You still have aristocrats in democracy, except their ONLY function is to the exploit the common people, and if you look at the numbers in many ways society is worse off now than it was.

know how i know this guy is just someone they found a picture of and then wrote something about.
cause he is wearing a fucking cross on his neck

>person is mentally ill
>99.9% of the population should change every institution, language, law, etc.. to accommodate them and the government should subsidize their bodily mutilation
>guy says fuck that
>lol what a senile old fogy
ok

Peterson's argument has nothing to do with propriety and everything to do with legal consequences, btw.

Tolkien himself said his story is not an allegory. Look up apophenia and realize you're dumb.

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