Muh Sovereignty

Maybe try some Thomas Paine since he's all about representative democracy for the people. So the people who interact on a global level also have to interact on a local level etc.

What the fuck is wrong with you. Passivity? I've seen harder people on the stage of the house than in any war. Someone willing to trade lives for power will have no issue dispensing those of their citizens. Consumerism is the end of a stable nation. It will always happen when a people becomes rich. When there is money to spend, it is spent.

Maybe I'm just naive, but I want a democracy where my country's culture of parliamentary democracy and liberty are preserved...

Please leave Veeky Forums immediately and never come back

How is materialism necessarily exclusive from traditionalism, or are you talking specifically about dialectical materialism?

How about you kill yourself, half of Veeky Forums threads have always been about recs, and the vast majority of people on the Veeky Forums rec boards don't read so they would not be of any help

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It's only a rule on the porn boards, since otherwise they become only "who dis" and rec threads.

Yes sorry I am, should have been more specific...

read

Pierre Manent
Carl Schmitt
Cornelius Castoriadis
Alain de Benoist
Peter Sloterdijk

also
neo-marxist Paul Piccone and Telos Press might be interesting to you:

>Desperate to locate anything resembling a revolutionary subject to carry out the projected historical task — beyond a few pockets of intellectual elites — the Left has tended to latch onto whatever segment of society seemed at odds with the system, no matter how contradictory their political objectives might have been. At various times during the past three decades it has embraced women demanding universal equality, feminists vindicating gender particularity, civil rights demonstrators seeking to abolish segregation, black nationalists advocating separatism, upwardly mobile Afro-American professionals defending affirmative action, homosexuals fighting, first, ostracism, and seeking protected minority status later, illegal immigrants, farm workers, the homeless — any group complaining about something. Far from resulting in any ”rainbow coalition” able to challenge the logic of the system, such an opportunistic, indiscriminate approach may have resulted in a few tenured positions for Left ideologues scavenging ”cultural studies” for real or imagined subversive elements, but it has destroyed whatever there may have been of a coherent Left perspective. Thus it is no accident that the Left’s main goal today is merely ”inclusion” in a system no longer deemed in need of radical changes, rather than ushering in a qualitatively different society untainted by the structural flaws responsible, among other things, for the new fons et origo malorum: ”exclusionary mechanisms” keeping particular individuals and groups out of the mainstream.

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>Passivity?
Just look at the soft genocide in Germany for a recent example.

You need to read Critical Path by Buckminster Fuller.

>globalist
>social democracy

Wew lad

You want to be careful trying to work out German culture desu bro. It has black face, karnival often has some rapey elements (which was part of the big problem after the New Years thing last year) and then stuff like Oktoberfest is often seen as sort of fun, if a little cringey and conservative. And of course it changes significantly region to region.

The thing the other night, while a tragedy, was extremely limited and more spectacle than anything.

>>abandon materialism but can't buy into traditionalism and the racialism/aristocracy worship
The answer should be obvious.

>Democracy creates passive

Passivity is good. Apathy is also good. Because it means society functions and nobody has to be afraid of getting killed everywhere they go.

>I'll take a war every few decades over constant consumerism and political corruption

Well then you're so far down in Hell, that there is no way to save you. Nobody can. You'll have to crawl out of there yourself.

>Passivity is good. Apathy is also good. Because it means society functions and nobody has to be afraid of getting killed everywhere they go.

Is this supposed to be a satirical post? Can't even tell the jokes from the real deal these days.

Yeah and what do you suppose is the cure to this "problem"? War?

Well, then you'll most likely be dead. But somehow it seems like this is what you're wishing for. Death.

If you want to make a point make a point instead of fannying around in disbelief.

>Yeah and what do you suppose is the cure to this "problem"?
Actively fighting for the good of the people instead of letting a bunch of global elites wreck nations.

"The good of the people" is a tired ass justification that you can use for anything.

I don't want to make a serious reply to a parody post.

Yep. The majority of evils in the world were done by those who thought they were on the side of good.

Check out the works of Takis Fotopoulos.

Everything in the post is true and verifiable with a little google and perspective.

For example, consider how many people have died in the truck attack.

Now consider how many people die of malnutrition in Germany each year.

Then for a little fun consider how many die of malnutrition in the US each year.

Much of this is about spectacle, not reality. There are currently far worse evils in the world.

So why do you want war?

I'm talking about the German volk standing up for themselves, their culture and way of life though. I'm talking about ensuring the survival of the Germanic race. Not some vague "greater good" or whatever. I might have formulated it sloppily but I had something very specific in mind. The recent tragedy for example could easily have been avoided if the people forced their government to put their security before the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan.

Passivity is a sign of not only weakness but a dying society, we need people who stand up for themselves, their values and their nation.

I have no idea what you're on about. So what if there's a tradition of painting one's face black? What does the truck incident have to do with the soft genocide? I have no clue why you even brought it up in the first place, nor why you are trying to play it down.

>I'm talking about the German volk standing up for themselves, their culture and way of life though. I'm talking about ensuring the survival of the Germanic race.

Yes, because this went so well last time.

I'm not trying to play anything down, Derp&Herpy, I'm elaborating for your dumb ass. You're the player downer yet again.

Considering the circumstances it went better than anyone could have imagined. However, even if you think it didn't then what do you think the option to that is? To just roll over and die? It's true that standing up for yourself isn't always guaranteed to end well for you, but the coward dies a thousand deaths.

I love it how tards still think Brexit will happen.

If Brexit happens there'll be a strong af renationalization campaign from the left. Likely to remain in the single market though, I don't understand the idiots that think because they voted leave they get any say in how it's going to happen.

You're not very coherent.

It simply can't happen, ever read § 50? Literally every EU country has to vote if they want to let Britain leave or not, and if the majority votes that they have to stay, they must stay.

Brexit is simply impossible

>Considering the circumstances it went better than anyone could have imagined.

You think 11 million people killed in a genocide, and 50-75 million people killed in a world war is "better than expected" ?

No I'm not that other poster, I was just flat out agreeing with you.

That war mongering faggot makes my blood boil, but I will check that and not take it out on anyone else as long as I can help it.

You can trade, share ideas, and refrain from becoming isolationist without giving into globalism.

The idea that I should put any nation, people, or culture before my own in any sense is bullshit and you should fuck off and make me. If you can't force me to then deal with it.

It's perfectly coherent laddo. Anyway, since you've limited your idea of what soft genocide entails I'll remind you that Germany has had other large waves of immigration. And that anti-globalist policies have fucked Germany over pretty much throughout its history whenever they've been enacted.

I'm not talking about the machinations of the Jews but the direct results it had on Germany. Also, when did muh six mirrion become eleven?

>The idea that I should put any nation, people, or culture before my own in any sense is bullshit
That's where globalism gets you though. In order to put your lot first you often have to put the other lot first too. It's like you're super fucked without everyone else, but you're still fucked with them so you're really just trying to find a way to fuck yourself the least.

One is the number of Jews, the other is everyone gassed or killed in the camps.

It's yours, is it? Your culture? What did you do to contribute to it exactly? Jesus Christ you wannabe-traditionalist kids are a joke.

War is the only time when humanity is truely tested. People need it, they look to history and see the triumph of man in decline and wonder "why not me?" society appears decadent and superficial. Man needs heroes and when society is forced to crown a man who simply completes a long marathon, or a man who studies science as a hero he is left feeling emptyness because he looks back at history.

He looks backs and reads accounts of how man shone in glory and triumph,or shone with compassion and humanity, or shone with ferocity and terror in the worst of all human environments that is war.

Ridiculous lies all of it. I wish it was true though, at least then I could rest easy knowing that they were punished for their crimes against the german people.

>Man needs heroes
This is what I mean when I say cape-shit is right wing dudes.

A trade is fine as long as I win.

There comes a point where helping someone else is hurting me enough where its not worth it even if it is "helping me". The prime example is when you create a neighbor that can compete with you in any real sense. You want to retain a master and servant relationship between your allied nations if possible.

They were German people dingbat.

Democracy is war of all against all.

t. 1900s social darwinist who got shot to death in world war one just before realising that hey war is actually just a big fuck up.

You're obviously a sheltered idiot who has no idea how horrible war truly is.

You should stop romanticizing it, before you become like Eliot Rodgers or the Columbine kids.

>You want to retain a master and servant relationship between your allied nations if possible.
That's mercantilism and it never plays out like that.

The fact is, economically, the country always wins with liberal policies when it comes to trade. Certain sections lose. This is why I find the appeal to nationalism troubling, it is your leaders, politically or of industry, that have fucked you over if you're losing atm. I don't see why you'd owe any debt to such a nation desu.

Go enlist, bitch tits

Not op
What the fuck does contribution have to do with identity
Why does he have to contribute to a culture to be identified with/ identify with it.

>globalist Social Democrat ideology shattered

isn't globalism the result of capitalism? social democrats may use feel good moral talk about refugees, but at the end of the day they're only being accepted in b/c they're a source of cheap labor that can be exploited. Social democracy is not inherently globalist. Much "globalization" is driven by big corporations and financial institutions.

>read Evola and similar

Evola unironically believes in Atlantis and magic. Evola is just Heidegger for LARPing retards.

I'm not romanticizing it. I'm saying its a natural cycle in society for it to be romanticized and then initiated and then halted and then abhorred and then romanticized again. Its not "the man" or "rich people" or "warmongers" or "right wingers" that are the cause of these types of wars. Its human nature and its necessary. Unless you can find an adequate alternative.

An adequate alternative can only be found when you find something as horrible as war though because its the very terror of it that highlights its heroism.

>Why does he have to contribute to a culture to be identified with/ identify with it.
Isn't this the logic of "otherkins"?

Read Alain de Benoist. The Problem of Democracy and Beyond Human Rights will probably both be helpful for you, particularly regarding the idea of "organic democracy" (i.e. a democracy where political equality is derived from citizenship, and citizenship itself derives from holding a stake in the "historic mission" of the ethnocultural nation).

Also, The WASP Question by Andrew Fraser applies this line of thinking to Anglo-Saxon history and considers how an identitarian revival consistent with the tradition of liberty could take place.

Like any other jews they only identified with their host when politically expedient. They were however not in any meaningful sense German people. Jews are not loyal to any nation or people except their own.

>Evola unironically believes in Atlantis and magic.
It's important to remember that many literally believed in this shit back then though. The magic underground energy shit (I forget the name) was a big part of a certain vision of modernity and electricity becoming more prevalent

He doesn't have to; but in my experience these kind of people never do. They use nationalism as an ideological framework because they are lazy. It's brainless unga bunga me tribe best stuff. Comfort for disillusioned milennials who don't want to read books or question ideas.

>They were however not in any meaningful sense German people.
A massive number of Jews had Germanified by that point, don't be an idiot brah. That's part of why they all got labelled, because they were p much indistinguishable from any other German or native elsewhere (such as Poland).

I'm well aware of the crypto-jews, they still had no loyalty to their host nation and much like the Jews of today were set on its destruction.

>That's mercantilism and it never plays out like that.

That's fine. History will play out like it always does then and a new light will be born from the corrupted state that had to fall in order to ignite it.

I just think globalism is not the answer. Removing competition from the world seems horribly and inhumanly wrong, a complete and utter defacement of nature and the laws of reality that can only lead to ruin.

Then again if its as inhuman as I think it is then there's nothing to worry about and the Globalist Ideals will collapse upon itself for the unnatural lie that it is.

>they still had no loyalty to their host nation and much like the Jews of today were set on its destruction.
Isn't it weird then how killing or chasing them all off didn't help out back then.

>I'm saying its a natural cycle in society for it to be romanticized and then initiated and then halted and then abhorred and then romanticized again.

The only difference is, in previous history, warring was done on a scale that included thousands of people, not millions, and it was concentrated in specific geographical areas.

A world war in the 21st century will almost certainly annihilate humanity. This isn't a joke.

>I just think globalism is not the answer.
>Removing competition from the world
You are asking for competition to be removed from the world bro.

>Comfort for disillusioned milennials who don't want to read books or question ideas.

But the school system and media is constantly pushing globalism. The people against it are the ones seeking to question ideas and are naturally looking to the extreme alternatives such as nationalism before settling on something in the middle. Its a natural form of growth in human thought.

This is bait
The logic of otherkin is that you don't have to be identified as a thing to rightfully identify as it
I think what you're saying is that he's identified as a german by his contribution/participation to the idea/form/culture of german people correct?
Why do you assume that his identity is inauthentic?

I'm striving for competition to be removed but its not like its actually possible. If anything an all powerful state is doomed to collapse within itself. The striving for it is human though, its seeking a worthwhile life.

An awful lot of people do not want an all powerful state bro.

Honestly just go and read some history books instead. You'll realise that globalism existed since the dawn of time, and while it isn't white, it also isn't black. It just is, and it works much better than alternative.

Romans were mass producing roof tiles for whole Europe. Indians dominated steel production so that Legions, Vikings and Arabs used steel made in India. Ottomans were importing arms from England, and on and on. It is not a new phenomen. Things that's bad about it now is that laws are too stringent. They are not altogether evil, but they need to be curbed. Fight that.

>A world war in the 21st century will almost certainly annihilate humanity. This isn't a joke.

I guess we're fucked then unless we find some sort of alternative. You can't remove the human desire for it though regardless of whether its a retarded self destructive reality.

It's an unintellectual, stunted form of anti-capitalism. It takes precisely no study or learning to be a nationalist; all you have to so is feel the first inevitable twinge of dissatisfaction and then see an old Youtube video or two, or talk to an old guy or read a slightly-too-generous history book and bam, you're yearning for the spirit of the nation up your butt. Everything from there is just seeking validation for this emotive impulse.

Stop projecting. Just because you have a hard on for death and destruction does not mean everyone else has.

>humans can't evolve
Fuck off.

>You can't remove the human desire for it though
What human desire? It's almost purely a state thing.

It's just good sense to not give your enemy something to use against you. Look at what they have accomplished today now that they are "accepted" and indeed very influential in the West, every persecution of the Jews has been entirely justified.

>implying war isn't just the attempted resolution of internal economic contradictions through external means
wew lad

I mean If we're talking about the US I don't think the US wants an all powerful state. They just don't want to help shitter poorfag countries that hate them and hold ideologies that are directly opposed to most American ideals, dreams, or hopes.

Clearly there is a very real backlash against the globalism seen in Europe or you wouldn't have events such as Brexit and the Trump election. I love the United States. I think that if the US becomes globalist it will destroy the country as we know it. I don't know if that would be a good or bad thing and I would call any that claimed to know a liar.

I do think that the US is facing destruction at its own decadence right now though and the signs of it are everywhere within our culture.

Whatever is the best course of change will be the one that takes place though. I personally believe that history has a way of playing out in the most sustainable way possible. If the US needs to fall to move forward it will. That doesn't mean that people within the US should roll over and let it happen. There are things that can be gained from a peaceful or violent opposition to change.

>Globalism
>Bad
Fuck off retard. The only people who think this have basically no education in the matter and only repeat what they're told from scare mongers

But that's precisely their point, isn't it? That nationalism is the optimal 'natural way' of things in modern society. And just like Arendt said, all conservatism is fundamentally romantic. I'd say it's either that or transcendent (which may not even be the different things). So of course academic intellectualism where the predominant ideology is leftism (liberal or Marxist) is at odds with their thinking. In their dream societies, universities still exist, it's just populated with thinkers like MacIntyre, Benoist, Sloterdijk, Veil, Evola, etc.

>there is a very real backlash against the globalism seen in Europe
>or you wouldn't have events such as ... the Trump election.
>I love the United States.
So why do you think it's in Europe...?

Brexit is more complicated than being pro or anti Europe, and it may result in two out of four countries leaving. And even talks of the capital being made into a city state. One thing I hope will come out of it is the end to PFI type deals that Thatcher p much chained us to.

Globalism is just another name for American imperialism.

That's rather uncharitable of you, user.

When you talk about globalism, I imagine you're talking about modernized, western societies.

Maybe this is true. When I hear top of Globalism I don't hear the same thing from different people though.

From some its merely an idea of non isolationism.

From some its a unified standard of measurements for various things such as money, electricity, weight, volume, language etc.

From some its the idea that it is the duty and of benefit for more advanced nations to uplift less advanced ones.

To some it means literally racemixing until everyone is the same race.

For some its some sort of hippie ideal that everyone should stop competing and seek some sort of global utopia.

Its hard to logically be opposed when the term is misinterpreted by people pushing for it. People boogiemaning globalism might have just encountered one of the more extreme or more retarded definitions.

>He fell for the Evola meme

lol