Last bread thread died, let's get it going again. just pulled this out of the oven, 80% biga white boule

it's kinda making a brioche...long kneading makes it fluffy like cotton

>brotzeit
>literally "bread time"
I love you Austrians/Germans.

come and visit us.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landshut_Wedding
it's only every 4 years. and this year it is

doesn't a lot of kneading make bread dense and chewy generally, because of the development of the gluten?

yah, that was my first thought, but it works
there's also the proteins from the milk and butter

i tried it with replacing one third of the wheat flour with rye flour and added a few drops...about a teaspoon of vinegar to help the ryeflour
it worked out just as normal, but with a light rye taste

Anyone sourdough here?

OP here. not yet, but i wanna try. any recommendations for making a starter?

Not really. Super easy, just mix flour and water. Make sure it's warm, though. Warm means having it in a matter of days, as opposed to weeks when I did it in early Spring/late Winter.

This worked really well for me. The key is non-pateurized fruit juice and organic flour. Mine is going strong at 8 months.

thefreshloaf.com/node/233/wild-yeast-sourdough-starter

awesome, thanks. it's roasting in NYC, so warm isn't an issue. i assume i should keep it in my air conditioned room (75-80 degrees) as opposed to my un-air-conditioned kitchen, where it's more like 80-85F?