Why is sushi expensive? its practically fish bait

why is sushi expensive? its practically fish bait.
you should be able to get an assorted 20 piece nigiri with a beer or soda for like 10 dollars.
is this shit cheaper in japan?

Because it's an art, it takes years upon years to master, the best fish isn't cheap and no it's not cheaper in Japan, most western places on charge out the ass because they know people will pay, lesser quality and usually frozen ingredients and chefs with basic knowledge, you won't really see sushi like you do in the west in nip land, it will usually be at a bar like sweating and you will have a chef prepare in front of you what he want you to eat.

buy pantry ingredients in bulk online and make your own, I recommend making your own pickled ginger too because it's ridiculously easy, restaurants are going to try and squeeze out every penny out of you

You can find cheaper sushi in convenience/grocery stores, but if you go out to a restaurant that serves sushi you'll pay more because it's popular and people are willing to pay those prices. I know multiple people who would eat a lot of sushi for a few months and then hardly ever eat it again, I think those are the kind of people they're banking on because they can charge them a lot while offering low quality sushi. You're better off finding an Asian-style buffet that serves sushi if you can't find a place like describes where there's a chef preparing the sushi right in front of you, for you. That's when it's usually worth it because the ingredients are better, it's fresher, it tastes better, etc.

>is this shit cheaper in japan?
Lets say the overall price range is wider.

>it takes years upon years to master
No. Sushi only requires cutting raw fish to a specific size and shape and making the rice. Doing this for 40 hours a week should only take a few months to do well.

>lesser quality and usually frozen ingredients
The best sushi uses fish frozen to 0F degrees. This improves the flavor of the fish and is the only way to kill any pathogens.

>a chef prepare in front of you what he want you to eat
I'll order what I want, I'll pick it apart if I feel like it, and I'll leave whatever I don't care for on the plate. Fuck authoritarian ancestor worshiping traditions.

i have never been to a sushi place where it is premade. even the tiny places you can weatch the chef stand behind a counter preparing your food. It's not much more than a regular meal from a half decent restaurant. I'm a fat fuck and I'm full after like 4-5 pieces of nigri and like 6-8 pieces of maki. That's like, what, 15 bucks?

Most kaiten-sushi in Japan is cheap and gives fast service. Pic related is an example menu, everything on that list is 100JPY (0.90USD). If it shows 2 pieces, you get 2 for 100JPY. More expensive cuts like unagi only give you 1 piece for 100JPY. It also tastes the same/better than sushi restaurants in the west but not as good as table sushi restaurants in Japan

>1 dollar per mouthful of egg and rice, two of the cheapest staple foods on this planet

Weebs like need to kill themselves, I don't care if you fold it over 1000 times. The Japanese, culturally, have some of the most autistic tendencies you'll ever see. They figure out how to do something and then it becomes a religious practice that they'll fight for and defend to the death.

Egg on rice? MOST HONORABUR SUSHI TECHNIQUE, BAKA GAIJIN WIRR NEVER UNDERSTAND!

Invent a sword? MOST HONORABUR KATANA BEST SWORD FORDED 3 TRIRRION TIME CUT THROUGH BAKA GAIJIN

That entire island has its head stuck up its ass.

then stick with the pizza rolls you uncultured bug

>restaurants are going to try and squeeze out every penny out of you

How the fuck do you think they stay in business?

Go to the fish market yourself, butcher, filet, and slice the fucking fish, make the perfect rice and get it to the perfect temperature, make your sauces, roll/form it, then wash all your dishes before you sit down to eat it because otherwise that will be hanging over your head. Make sure not to factor in the hours you won't be able to work while preparing the meal because it's going to take a while. Then enjoy!

You can find sushi in the west that's better than a large percentage of sushi restaurants in Japan. Places like California especially.

Training for sushi making is logarithmic. Each extra year of training will make you marginally better with diminishing returns. But with a food as simple as seasoned rice and uncooked fish that is also very lightly seasoned, it'll be perceptible to those who care. Apart from flavor, texture makes a huge impact. Rice that's too starchy or packed too tightly will be less enjoyable to eat than well made rice. Fish sliced in a certain way and the thickness to which it is slices will also play a role in your perception. Fish to rice ratio is also something worth considering.

Will the avreage person care? Probably not. It's the difference between a fast food burger and one you'd get at an upscale restaurant. Both good but for different occasions.

What I haven't been able to put together is this...
IT IS ART. But the portions should be smaller in that respect.
Just enough to welcome the flavors, and then say farewell.
Japan style...kokoro...

Three to six rolls then. Not twelve.
Twelve overstays the welcome. Three to six.
That has art to it....less than enough is enough.

Then the ingredients mean something...
It's not a meal, like lunch or dinner...It becomes personal.
Nobody gets that in the states...Like Japanese tapas....

I can't blame the owners for catering to the "scarf down throat" though...
Get your money mang.....do it...

>they know people will pay, lesser quality and usually frozen ingredients

stopped reading. sushi made from fish that hasnt been flash frozen has no flavor

>rolls
Rolls aren't really the main focus of Japanese style sushi. Nigiri takes center stage there. Rolls are really only predominant in western style sushi.

This.
The ingredients ARE cheap. It's the effort and the fact that it tastes shitty unless pretty fresh that makes it cost more.

Correct, sir...I was speaking to the general western style. We eat sushi like fast food...we miss the point.

Didn't sushi used to be the poorman's food. What changed?

Some guy told me sushi used to be sold on street corners in Japan back in the day and shit like hot dogs and tacos are here. Maybe the same thing that happened to lobster and shellfish in the west.

>I'll order what I want, I'll pick it apart if I feel like it
>picking apart sushi

Fucking off yourself you insolent child.

>and no it's not cheaper in Japan

Confirmed for never having been in Japan.

There are gourmet hamburgers too, you know.

>is this shit cheaper in japan?
Yes, Sushi is street food in Japan.

The thing is Japan never claimed these things

The autistic fetishism is true, but it's only weebs claiming japan has best cuisine, best sword, etc.

The japanese themselves are quite taken with French cooking actually, it's huge over there

>he fell for the sushi jew
Half of the western rice is literal plastic and starch fake imported from China anyway.

Some of the best French bread bakers are Japanese right now actually. It's because the whole fucking culture has autism, and food service IS autism at a high level. And I say this at a food service autist.

Japan doesn't actually exist, it's just a weeb hallucination. Actually the world outside America doesn't exist, except England and France. Every time someone makes fun of me they're English and they hate America and are literally raping America every time they make fun of my temper tantrums that I throw when faced with food that isn't a hamburger. And also when someone says American wine isn't good, then it means they're French and they only exist to make me feel uncultured and dumb, because the Judgment of Paris.
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>it's another "Burger tries food other than Hotpockets and Pizza Rolls" thread

Depending on the place in Japan, you can get 20 nigiri and maybe a beer for around 10 dollars, though that's only at the cheapest conveyor belt places. The quality drops with the price, but at $10 it's easily worth it, especially if you enjoy the novelty of sushi being sent to you on a conveyor belt and mini-shinkansen.

That being said, sushi can get more expensive as you move into actual restaurants, but the quality goes up as well. The difference between 100 yen salmon and 300 yen salmon, for instance, is pretty noticeable, and I personally prefer to pay the extra $1.80 for the step up in quality. Of course, like food anywhere, you can start moving into the 10,000 yen ($90 USD) price ranges for a meal, if you go to a fancy restaurant or a place like Jiro's (haven't been so don't know if its overhyped or actually quality, probably a bit of both). The quality continues to go up with the price, but after a certain point it won't be very noticeable any more, since fish can only get so fresh and chefs can only get so skilled before they're working on minuscule details people outside of the field won't notice. But is it worth a few hundred to say you ate at Jiro's, what people recognize as the best sushi place in the world after the documentary? That's up to you.

As an aside, don't listen to weebs/anti-weebs about Japan, they're both wrong. Japan is not like their Japanese Animes nor is it a bunch of salarymen wanking over Glorious Nippon culture. It has its quirks and is a decent place to visit for a few weeks if you can, or you could apply through JET to teach english for a year. Also, it's probably better if you don't speak Japanese if you apply, because they'll put you in a city like Kobe with 200 other JETs instead of bum fuck nowhere with less than 200 people around you.

>massively butthurt
>underestimates what sophisticated discussions you can have on Veeky Forums
I do like me a nice cool Radler in summer.

Partially because it's a trend food. Yes, it's delicious and yes, I love it. But many people eat it as "hipster food", because they want to be exotic and exquisite. These people are willing to pay more, so restaurants charge more.
It's not much cheaper in Japan though, because over there the quality is higher, the chefs are more skilled and get paid better and the ingredients, due to the quality standards, are less abundant. What can be used for sushi here, would never be used for sushi in Nippon.

With that said, I don't fucking care. Sushi is delicious, it doesn't have to be of the best quality, good is enough.

buttmad incompetent sushi "chef" detected

I don't eat pizza rolls. I prefer eating sushi my friend makes occasionally. He uses fish frozen according to FDA guidelines and doesn't get bent out of shape if I pick out certain ingredients.

> restaurants are going to try and squeeze out every penny out of you

wow it's almost like restaurants are a business or something

>it's an art to cook rice for 10 mins, stuff a bit of fish inside it and pour some rice wine over it
you fell real hard for that meme

Fresh and high quality fish is expensive

Autism

business is king and god!
i love being ripped off. I mean, it is their intent, after all.

>is this shit cheaper in japan?

Yeah. My local kaitenzushi joint in Chiba, Choushimaru, starts at $1.30 for two pieces of nigiri or a small roll. Most stuff is $2-3 a plate (2 gunkan, 2 nigiri, or a small roll). The really good stuff might be $5 tops. I can get full and have a beer and soup for about $15-20. It's midgrade for Japan, but is better than 90% of what I've had I the USA. Hell, Famima (convenience store) sushi is better than 70% of what I have I the USA.

Now the high dollar stuff in Japan? Make you cream your jeans good. So fresh. Subtle and delicately balanced (salty, sweet, oily). Hard to explain, but you know it when you taste it. Those places are $100+ per person. It's worth it.

This is dinner with wifey and 'rents. About $40 to $50 there.

Veeky Forums will swear up and down there is no such thing as a regional food and that allrecipes.com recipes are the tops. The shitty first time cooks on here refuse to believe that ingredients and technique make a significant difference in the taste of food even when you get a decent recipe, because their parents were such bad cooks.

Most people on this site are American, and even for something as simple as a sandwich there is a massive difference between the Northeast and the rest of the country, but people from that region don't know how bad it can get and people from other regions don't know what they're missing.

Make it yourself then pussy

>unironically lives in Japan

jelly desu

I went on a study abroad there and loved it but job prospects look shitty compared to the rest of asia.

Hopefully Taiwan has Sushiro or something like it.

>I'll pick it apart

You have to be at least 18 to post here.

>Chiba
Did you see the tsunami?

Also can confirm, it is cheaper in Japan, but you have to know pricing.

this post is reddit

I go to a place where they serve 6 pieces for the price of one in that pic

DUDE FISH LMAO

japan is great because they are ethnically homogeneous and let in few immigrants.

i love how people like you think cooking rice is hard. i bet you think rice cookers are essential too, right?

why are some rice cookers so expensive?
like tiger?

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The locking lid with fuzzy logic rice cookers cook rice better than a pot ever will and have a bunch of sensors to ensure that.

what is this?

are they REALLY better or is it just a scam?

how much better are they?

this is what babes believe.

its a scam, cooking rice is one of the easiest things in the world.
put water to the boil, add rice let it simmer for 20min boom you have perfect rice.

>cooking rice is one of the easiest things in the world.
bullshit

I've tried everything and the rice always comes out too soft/soggy and the bottom of the pan is burned

That sounds like normal mediocre rice.

Also, why assume that you let it simmer for 20 min? You know that different types of rice have different cooking procedures, right?

So much better. I've cooked with pan, shitty $10 rice cookers, and zojirushi $300 ones.

You can make cakes in those fuckers, and your rice NEVER burns or gets hard.

This is what suburban white kids believe that have never had white rice that actually taste good

>You can make cakes in those fuckers, and your rice NEVER burns or gets hard.
tiger ones right?
them and panasonic are really expensive

I've used a zojirushi and had those results. There are better, though, and I wish I could get my poor little hands on one of those.

zoujirushi is the best but Tiger and Panasonic are totally fine if you get the higher end ones

It's not. It's 105yen for a plate of 2 pieces of Nigiri.

>sushi fish
>frozen
kek

Not anymore, they're letting more and more Filipinos in every year. It's starting to get obnoxious.

You do realise that Asians don't know you can boil rice in a pot of water, right?
They rely on rice cookers so much that they're pretty much convinced that you can't cook rice without one.

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Can summer be over already?

fuck off commie

kys, Nazi.

one of the world's top sushi chefs said that fish tastes far better and has a better texture after being frozen and thawed

Dude fuck you, post your sources.

I've eaten sushi all over Japan, from Tsukiji to Hokkaido. A lot of fish does benefit from freezing/thawing (slight damage to cell walls releases compounds with flavor, not unlike aging meat). That said, some fish (particularly silver skinned, greasy fish like Aji and other mackerel) is better straight off the boat, as it they are already packed with flavor compounds.

nazis are pro socialism you ignoramus

Isn't mackerel typically treated with vinegar or something for sushi?

You're reddit.

its literally just raw fish and rice with some leaf stuck on top, how dumb are you?

Is this where the Japan flags on here come from

Why do you live there

>higher end ones
meaning like 300 fucking dollars?

AFAIK, you'll eat onigiri (rice balls) a lot more often than you'll eat sushi in Japan. Cheaper, more practical, sold in every convenience store.

>bum fuck nowhere with less than 200 people around you
that was me. i dont miss a lot of things about japan (shit weather, high prices, peer pressure, drafty buildings with no AC, the subtle racism), but i do miss the food.

Bullshit.
Don't believe everything you see in your animu.

calm your wrongtism, bro. sushi is an uncommon gimmick dinner, rice balls are a daily breakfast/lunch/both.

t. several years of having to be up and at Seven by 6:45 or they'd sell out of hidaka kombu filling and i'd have to get tunamayo instead

more than just being available at convenience stores, japs just make lots of riceballs. its their equivalent to the ham and cheese sandwich.

Meaning atleast 100 dollars. Obviously the really expensive ones are all going to be good

i would love if there was a conveyor belt sushi place in the US
but those will never work here

There are kaitenzushi places in multiple large cities throughout the US

really? didn't know that
honestly thought they would never work cause people are just stupid in general
like grabbing whatever plate then complaining about how much it is, even though the pricing is right there
or people grabbing plates taking a bite not liking it and putting it back onto the conveyor belt
you know, typical ghetto and trailer trash shit

but hopefully when i go to chicago next week i can check it out if they have one

>riceballs

Despite them being so cheap this is probably what I miss the most from Japan desu

The difference between normal rice and 3 star Michelin rice is minuscule and lost to most people's palates. Its definitely not $300 rice.

the difference between frank pepe in new haven and an actual trip to naples is nigh-imperceptible
the difference between frank pepe and papa john's is still vast
hell, the difference between papa john's and totino's is even vaster
you think you're smart arguing against flying to naples, but you're really arguing against calling in a delivery order when you can just microwave

it's not missing the point, it's adaptating something from a foreign culture to your own.
just like how Asian countries adapts western culture and have fucking Christmas when I believe nobody is a Christian there.

basically globalization, the end of all traditions and born of new ones

Sushi is really fucking overrated.

sure, but we should also look at WHY it was adopted, and the answer is the same reason rolls are a thing in japan - they hide iffy fish, and hide there being fish at all from picky eaters.
now that enough people know proper sushi won't give you salmonaidstulism it's no longer a necessity for the newer, broader western palate.

>large cities
Man your flyover is showing

I work in a town of 90k people and we have several. Instead of a conveyor belt one has little boats floating along in a river in front of you

Sushi was the original fast food in Japan

>Becoming very good at something is autisim

Thats a stupid way of thinking

>implying US
why would I eat sushi in that shithole?