Why does Africa always get the most shit for being "historically underdeveloped" when they were way more advanced than the American Indians? In the 1890s the Sioux were trying to defeat the white man with a "spirit dance" while Dahomey had a standing army of Winchester rifle armed troops and even some Krupp guns.
Scientific achievement isn't the be-all-end-all of intelligence, the Africans were clearly highly organized and wealthy to import modern firearms and set up standing armies unlike the American Indians. Even the legit "spear chuckers" the Zulu showed outstanding outstanding logistical and tactical ability if you read about those wars. Shaka refused Dutch offers of firearms because he argued that the slow rate of fire would hinder his army's swift shock tactics and he was partly right because he ended up doing better against the British with just spears than other Africans did with guns. So it wasn't because he was "too dumb to use a gun"
According to your much worshipped IQ scale blacks are at the bottom yet historically some African kingdoms weren't much less developed than some Asian ones, this is evident by the fact that both regions resisted the Europeans for around the same time. Any difference is probably better explained by the Sahara barrier. Therefore American Indians aren't racially inferior either, they just got fucked over by being furthest from Indus Valley civilization
tl;dr IQ is bullshit because it uses a very narrow criteria of intelligence and doesn't take into account things such as geography and culture.
none of your arguments address IQ as a measurement or why it's wrong. are you saying it's not real because some few people from a long time ago who never had their IQ measured were supposedly smart/successful?
Gavin Bailey
nobody is giving american indians any nobel prizes user
also this is definitely not place you should be with those opinions user because it will only bring you suffering
Leo Martin
Found the /Pol/tard
Kayden Gonzalez
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Grayson Roberts
>Found the /Pol/tard
Austin Nelson
The argument you are making does not directly address IQ, and instead addresses the white superiority perspective that Africans we're sitting around eating dirt until they were colonized/exported as slaves.
Reframe your argument and expand generously, and you'll have something worth reading.
Leo Russell
Are they really dumber then user? I don't think that is scientifically possible.
Camden King
Kenyan children don't pass the self-awareness mirror test until they 6 years old. Of course such fact would never get publish without a plethora of if's and but's that try to attribute it to culture, which is laughable. You can easily find this study, "kenya mirror test".
Parker Thompson
>not published
Robert Morris
Cultural [LOL] Variations in Children's Mirror Self-Recognition Tanya Lynn Broesch, Tara Callaghan, Joseph Henrich, Christine Murphy and Philippe Rochat Journal of Cross-Cultural Psychology published online 9 September 2010
your a fucking brainlet that cherry picks ethnic groups in a racial identity to fit your argument, holy shit youre so dumb kill yourself
Jonathan Cruz
you're*
Isaiah Bell
Have you guys ever met black people in real life? Or do you know them only from boogie stories from /pol/? How fucking dense do you have to be to believe black kids can't recognize themselves in the mirror, just because they don't react to having a mark in their face?
Ethan Gray
I grew up in a majority black town, every gas station where black people lived had bars, and the schools we're built like prisons, including the barbed wire and razorwire fencing around the school. Also not reacting to a mark on your head usually means you don't recognize abnormalities on your own person, which means a lack of self awareness for risk, which is usually associated with more instinct controlled behavior
Hunter Brown
>Niggers are dumb lol /Pol/ in a nutshell
Luis Cooper
Education in general is absolute bullshit. Like, when the fuck am I ever going to need to know the square of the hypotenuse in my day-to-day life. Be honest...
Gavin Cooper
>Black people somehow end up with less infrastructure after colonialism than before >don't farm in areas where farming should be easy >don't build roads >don't build sanitation networks >people will literally walk miles to fetch nasty stagnant bog water >most of the people don't realize you can dig an artesian well if you dig down >people from the west need to go in and build them for them >they destroy the metal on said wells and use it for other things >if you teach them how to farm they go back to previous methods >"lol they're so smart right guys?"
Landon Lee
Really the only proof you need of any of this Rhodesia and South Africa. You hand the Africans a fully functional world class economy and infrastructure and it promptly gets shit on and massive cash grabs happen.
>inb4 some bullshit about oppression and white privilege
Oliver Bailey
Nah, few african people are enough to change other peoples' cultures forever. They have influenced the world's cultures so much, it's hard to see a city that isn't a third world country without a drop of african culture. That's why it seems nowadays african people are "better" or "benign" than the others. It's a cultural phenomenon.
Evan Evans
You are so right, fuck the racists, I'm going to prep my gf's bull right now to correct historical injustices against the kings.
Jeremiah Scott
It has nothing to do with their lack of development in the past but right now, its a mystery why negroes behave like wild humans in our modern world and yet are the same level of cognition as us.
Jose Carter
How dense does one have to be to actually believe that all groups of people are equally intelligent?
Benjamin Cox
KNOW YOUR ROLE!
Noah Diaz
then
Eli Bennett
Can't make an argument? Just make the other person part of a group you don't like and watch their points magically disappear!
Jonathan Thompson
I mean I’m not even pol but are people not alowed to respond to the post?
Benjamin Adams
No. But Sci is not the place for this kind of debate. You want to post about how Racialism is confirmed science (which it isn't) then go to /Pol/
Carson Edwards
This thread again....
Maybe after you post it for the billionth time it might be true!.. not.
Liam Mitchell
>talking about evolution and human physiology is now not science, because it hurts people fee fee's >Sci literally kys reddit scum
Adrian Allen
Biology is science, unless I am mistaken this board is called Veeky Forums - Science & Math, which means it is up for discussion. Sorry you don't want to debate it in case the facts are racist, I don't agree with /pol/ on, well, pretty much everything. But the fact is that physical, societal and cultural differences among races are a result of evolution of our species in different geographical locations. To put humans above animals in this regard just because we are self aware and walk on two legs is arrogant and also unscientific as fuck.
Michael Carter
Racialism is not science. It's racism pretending to be science just like Creationism is religion pretending to be science
Nathan Gomez
The problem is that you are too dumb to understand genetics and human evolution. You believe the accepted facts on the matter are some kind of conspiracy, and you've invented your own imaginary interpretation of reality.
Levi Sullivan
See you keep calling it "racialism" which is a bullshit term. We are talking about Biology. Which is you know, science.
Mason Reed
>Genetic diversions due to thousands of years of isolation, which can be measured not only through physical differentiations like height, skin tone, and muscle and skeletal structure , but mental traits as well, and are backed by by statistical analysis aren't real, they might as well be [insert logical fallacy here]
Adrian Hernandez
Ah Can it brainlet, just you wait until Hitler's UFO Army Returns to blow up you brainlet goofs along with the fuckin satanic kike bastards
Blake Williams
Found the Poltard
Jonathan Peterson
>skin color = brain!
>just because one or two things changed, means everything I want to have changed must have changed!
Lucas Jones
This is now Ellie's thread
Levi Wood
>One or two things >Their entire bodily physique, culture and society >Well uh, you can't just assume psychological differences >Even though they are pretty fucking apparent if you ever have to interact with other cultures on a regular basis
Carter Miller
Hoping the Poltards get banned
Brayden Clark
>Oh shit people are talking about science in ways I don't like >MODS BAN THEM
Bentley Ward
>be early sapien in Africa >easier to find food >literally only one season >no massive geological features making hunting difficult >plentiful amount of animals and plants to hunt and forage >lots of sun makes skin darker >hot weather means simple structures/ clothing >easy hunting means simpler tools >more running prey also means their long muscles will adapt to be better at running over Europeans and Asians
>Be sapien in Europe/Asia, mix of season, need to preplan or die >less food, need to preplan of how to hunt, make new tools to hunt >less sun means less need for melanin in skin >cold weather means you need better structures/clothing which needs more thought >Life like this for thousands of years >brain needs to get better at critical thought to compensate >body adapts to the environment/ terrain, less need for muscle mass in Asia, more need in Europe
Samuel Carter
Biology is not a reason why African civilizations are less developed then European ones. This is just excuse for you to say "Well Black people are just natural stupid."
Grayson Wright
>humans are exempt from evolution
Gabriel Jones
What is Darwin Awards?
Kevin Flores
Egypt ruling class was white.
Everything from south Sahara to South Africa were Shitholes and still Shitholes.
Don't be cynic denying that clear fact.
Owen Peterson
I never said that, you just put words in my mouth, I am simply saying that there are obvious differences between the races caused by evolution. So answer me a question rather than deflecting bullshit. Are humans affected by evolution, yes or no?
Cameron Martin
an internet meme award for people who try to play russian roulette with a semi-automatic pistol
Brandon Anderson
>Biology is not a reason why African civilizations are less developed then European ones. They mixed with different hominids. It's literally in every paper on human DNA history.
Ryder Myers
>I am simply saying that there are obvious differences between the races caused by evolution. In some ways yes. But in intelligence no.
>Are humans affected by evolution, yes or no?
Yes. Of course we are, what else makes us different than Apes
Daniel Gray
Daily reminder that Wakanda doesn't exist
Wakanda isn't real
Owen Fisher
why is intelligence not effected by evolutionary differences in races? What physical trait allows every structure in the human body to evolve except the brain?
Nathan Parker
>>>/reddit/
Xavier Reyes
I mean't to say that just because different ethnics formed because of evolution, doesn't give you the right to classify other races as different species. That's not how fucking evolution works.
Brandon Jenkins
So humans are affected by evolution, glad we agree on that. Now take a look at every other species on the planet and their subspecies, let us take dogs for example. Dog breeds have noticeably and obviously different behaviours and intelligence leveld. I will grant that dogs have a much faster breeding cycle and thus different traits and thus breeds develop quicker. However the history of man goes back a very, very long time. How is an African, separated from a European or Asian by distinct geographical locations and biological traits, any different to a dog?
"Because we are self aware" is not an answer, that does not exempt us from evolutionary pressures the same as other animals.
Andrew Long
>Biology is not a reason why African civilizations are less developed.
It's the main reason.
Grayson Hernandez
Call it a subspecies then, because that IS how evolution works.
Juan Flores
>But in intelligence no.
brainlet
Elijah Mitchell
that is exactly how evolution works, human isn't a single thing just an FYI, Human is a blanket term for all species classifies under the genus Homo, Homo Erectus, habilis, neanderthalensis, and etc are all human, just slightly different subgroups due to key differences in facial, and cranial structure a neanderthal could most likely speak english, and could definitely interbreed with humans I personally think the genetic parity between people in Africa and Europe is similar enough that we can't break us into different subgroups, but the process that causes new homo species to form was happening, and still is, people in Africa are still living in the conditions that allow people to diverge genetically, and unless we change the entire climate of all of Africa, or move every single person on earth to the same location, it will still happen
in 10/20 thousand years if we don't develop into a homogeneous species, black people, Europeans, and Asians will most likely be genetically different enough to be considered their own species
Cameron Morgan
could most likely speak English if they existed today*
Landon Ramirez
You won't read pic related. It contains actual knowledge.
Aaron Harris
Niggers are dumb.
Easton Adams
>assume
Jonathan Reed
That picture is bullshit because southern Africa is overflowing with natural resources and was inhabited from the late paleolithic onwards.
Henry Ramirez
Yes, we can safely assume psychological and intelligence difference when literally every other animal on the planet has those factors influenced by evolution.
Kevin Cook
>natural resources For hunter gatherers. Not for civilization.
Daniel Torres
>kid has an apparent mutation >therefore kid has also an intelligence mutation wut
Tyler Bennett
So despite the massive and easily accessible natural wealth of southern Africa, far exceeding that of China or Europe Africans couldn't develop civilisations because?
Mason Reed
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Carson Edwards
>He didn't even read it Surprise, surprise.
Joshua Rivera
>we can safely assume No you can't because you're not qualified to do scientific research. You're a bunch of moronic conspiracy theorists on an anime site. You do not have the knowledge necessary to make those calls. Your inevitable fallback that is repeated ad nauseam in these threads is that the people that do know better than you, geneticists who study humans and human evolution, is that they are lying and it's a coverup! They're being paid or threatened to lie! Is not that you're a complete retard that won't let go of your emotional beliefs! That can't be!
Justin Howard
Only americans deny nigs are dumb. Literal tearing apart in tears.
Jaxon Adams
How dense does one have to be to actually believe that all groups of people are equally intelligent?
Carson Sanchez
Right, so you have no counterpoint or evidence and are just appealing to authority, well done. Please provide some peer reviewed and unbiased articles on human evolution and it's correlation/causation in regards to psychological differences. I'll wait.
Very dense.
Nolan Walker
Explain how all americans are dumb, from the right to the left.
Jackson Perez
Because their education system is a joke and all they do is sit around and watch TV. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
James Gomez
And because they are mutts.
Justin Wood
yes I read it and the only thing I can think of that you are talking about is in regards to free flow of information and trade. And like I just said Southern Africa has been inhabited for nearly 40000 years and there is no shortage of easy trails and rivers in southern Africa, much like Europe.
Nicholas Campbell
He just keeps missing it over and over, it's really impressive when you think about it.
Jose Roberts
A quick google would tell you that there is plenty of easily accessible Copper deposits in Africa and Salt is not required for civilization at all when there are plenty of other methods for preserving food. So why don't you say what you mean instead of being a smug prick and using pictures for your point, which by the way is what you always use (rightly) to criticize /pol/, and I don't even fucking go there but I happen to agree regarding human evolution.
Elijah Martinez
natural resources = civilization
Leo Diaz
Civilization is thanks to, surprise!, extensive interconected permanent settlements of agrarian societies.
Xavier Collins
Explain the civilizations in the new world then.
Cameron Morris
Wow, it's almost like Africa has the perfect conditions for that!
>that playlist Good God is this what you do all day?
Dylan Perry
>just like new world ?
Jaxson Rogers
>put dark mark on dark skin >expect the baby to react
Isaac Murphy
Are those three (3) gold chains?
Christopher Harris
You just disproved yourself with your own graph? lel
Parker Cooper
>"africa has perfect conditions!" >meanwhile southamerica and mesoamerica was full of lands with potential wut
Adrian Reyes
Because Africa does have perfect conditions if you ever cared to do any research, South Africa has some of the best, most fertile and resource rich land on the fucking planet. And the conditions were certainly better than many of the areas in the graph you just posted that had agricultural civilisations. What point are you even trying to prove? Because it is obvious you have been btfo in regards to human evolution and are now just trying to deflect.
Hudson Price
>Central America is a shit hole, and very difficult to allow civilization to develop >despite that, several civilizations did develop there, in the middle of the fucking jungles of Mexico, or literally in the mountains of Peru >Africa, a large diverse continent was void of any major civilization outside of simple tribal kingdoms on the coast, despite being recourse rich and full of potential hmm
Lincoln Walker
This thread is fucking stupid.
Jonathan Scott
>you have been [citation needed] >africa has the perfect conditions [citation needed] I showed you a map how cultures could use agriculture on most of the americas, meanwhile Africa only had some lands in the south and it still lacked >jungles Nope. Agrarian life didn't start in the jungle. >africa a large diverse lacking arable land except the south dud