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Things break. Why build something you can't maintain. These are throwaway telescopes from a throwaway society. We need to start building things that will last and that we can build upon in the future. Moon base now please.

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>build something
>do routine testing
>test isn't up to snuff
>fix problem
>continue testing and fixing until nothing is wrong

That's usually what happens.

>Hurr lets j ust have NASA doing "Science" and exploration !

No they fucking waste endless billions on dogshit like this

>If only NASA had the proper funding
LOL meanwhile they cover any and all cost overruns forever, FUNDING is clearly not an issue
Hell too much funding is the whole problem

Umm, NASA has never crossed $20 billion per year TOTAL. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

Compare that to Trump's recent $130 billion defense spending increase.

Since the end of Apollo (AKA Nixon), NASA has always had to deal with pennies and scrape things together as well as they can with the budget they've been given.

They've done impressively well considering.

Not to mention that since NASA funds SpaceX and all other "private" space companies (through contracts), and these contracts are included in this budget.

>Hell too much funding is the whole problem

There are several studies showing that employees who are always under the gun for needing funding create the best work. Companies actually set up situations and lie to the employees, telling them there's not enough time or money to do something and that they need to get it done anyway. It is the very reason the movie trope of, "I can do it in 1 hour!" "You have 15 mintues!" thing comes from.

the budget wasn't even that small. the problem is congress is heavily restricting them how to spend it, because every congressman wants to see jobs in his area being created, and then demands on what the next project is supposed to be constantly change, etc. etc. this is why private companies are so much more efficient, because they can focus on building rockets and don't have to deal with all the politics yadda yadda.

only mistake was not outsourcing to private much earlier. the european space agency outsourced in the 80s and because of this was the market leader for 30 years.

Of course, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

It's just that this particular telescope was originally supposed to launch in January 2011, and is currently scheduled for June 2019 but that is likely to be pushed back after yet another setback.

Yes, I know that congress massively cut funding for this particular mission during the '08 crash and that they've been doing the best they can since that, but it's just disheartening.

>the european space agency outsourced in the 80s and because of this was the market leader for 30 years.
Going to need a source on that.
I'm only familiar with science missions / robotic probes, and NASA beats out ESA 2:1 on successful missions.
Not to mention that ESA doesn't have and never has had a means of putting humans into space, and relied on the shuttle and then soyuz.
In almost know ways has the ESA been remotely as successful as NASA, except in funding on-the-ground research (with telescopes and super computers), which isn't done by private outsourcing.
Now, if you mentioned JAXA I might have had at least a little respect for your opinion before pointing out their abysmal failure rate for losing craft.

Every single time they delay it, they get an amount of about 1 billion dollars and a few extra years of job security.

And I mention JAXA because they put through a surprising number of missions for cheap (albeit with a low success rate)

More than 2/3 of the team are also tenured professors at large universities and their job security is not on the line.
Everyone working on the telescope will also be paid to use the telescope and analyze data from it once it launches.
Learn how shit like this works.

>21st century space program:
>replace the shuttle with something more expensive*
>build replacement for the ISS, smaller but more expensive*
>launch** Hubble replacement by the start of the next century
>*Important
>**Optional

It's called Arianespace, and they basically transported every private satellite to orbit until SpaceX showed up, because they were much, much cheaper than everybody else.

>having no idea how grant chasing works

Holy shit.

Arianespace is a tiny company of a couple hundred people, they don't build rockets, they don't maintain any of this stuff, they are just for the corporate front to selling launches.

Just like I """"fund"""" McDonald's by buying food there, right?

More like how Apple funds sweatshop slave labor in China by paying for them to build the iPhone.

Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>Every single time they delay it, they get an amount of about 1 billion dollars and a few extra years of job security.

Northrop Grumman incompetence is best incompetence

They need to cancel this immediately

Money sunk is a FALLACY
Every dollar from here on out is WASTED MONEY, it doesn't matter how much money has been wasted already

You're right, money sunk IS a fallacy.
Which is why it doesn't matter how much money we've ALREADY spent on it, it only matters how much it will cost to finish it vs how much money it will make by selling telescope time when it's up there.
And since it's almost completely finished, with the exception of the big tarp to block out the sun and the mechanism to unfurl said tarp, this last stretch has a pretty good return on investment.

>telescopes on the Moon
Yes, because it would be so much easier to design, manufacture, transport, build, and maintain a telescope all the way on the moon than in orbit.

The idea is to have people on the moon to help maintain it

There is zero reason to send people anywhere in space. Rovers and probes do everything better.

It is a fucking telescope. Of course it is a monumental waste of money. lol Telescopes like that only exist because of grant chasing and morons who hand out the money.

yeah lol, why would you ever want to know more about the universe and nature?
go live in a cave, shitstain

Name one thing an astronomy telescope of that caliber has done to help humanity aside from grant bux?

lets just end all scientific pursuits unless they "help humanity", whatever that means
kill yourself, quick

>lets just end all scientific pursuits unless they "help humanity"

My point exactly. There are far more important things that money could be going towards than making nice poster shots for nerd bedrooms.

>far more important things that money could be going towards

like what? gold encrusted cars? bigger mansions? diamond plated swimming pools?

>bling-oriented list

No wonder, you are a moron.

>can't list a single thing
bet you wanted to help the poor or something equally retarded, all that money will trickle back up to the top

How about actual science? Instead of the bullshit you listed, kid.

>knowing more about the universe isn't science
ok, retarded kid

Astronomy is science. Try again.

>Astronomy is science.

Name one thing your "science" of astronomy has done for humanity then compare that to say biology. I'll wait. (won't be waiting)

knowing the nature of the reality you live in is nothing important really, just meh
said it before, you should go back to living in a cave, shitstain

>asked to name one thing
>counters with ad hominems and counter questions

This right here, gentlemen, is an example of people who think astronomy is actually important and relevant to society.

jpg is found on femputer only

wtf is wrong with you?

go back to /pol/, fake /pol/.

This stupid telescope shows how horrible nasa is and I hope the thing fails after a perfect rocket launch, so they can't blame anyone but themselves. But don't worry because I'm sure even when it fails the same people will be running nasa into the ground again for the next fail. Fuck nasa.

the cool kids seem to be getting dumber and dumber every year.

I cannot name a single thing that a telescope of this caliber has done to help humanity because a telescope of this caliber has never existed. Forgive me for rebuking with the benefits granted by lesser telescopes.

Astronomy and telescopes have taught us about the planets and stars around us. Our place in the universe and the context of our planet. By studying other planets, we better understand our own and our impact thereupon.

By studying Venus with radar from Arecibo, we were able to determine that it had an incredibly dense CO2 atmosphere, at the surface 96x the pressure of Earth's. This drastically heats the planet. We discovered that this was caused because Venus is closer to the sun than Earth, and its oceans evaporated. Being a very good greenhouse gas, the water caused the temperature to rise, evaporating more water and sublimating carbonate rocks. The Hydrogen in the water escaped, leaving behind the Oxygen in the form of Sulfuric Acid clouds and yet more CO2. We learned much about the interplay of climate and geology from studying Venus.

By studying stars and wondering how they produce their heat, we discovered nuclear fusion and the secrets of where the elements come from, as well as how to transmute them. Literally the secrets of alchemy so sought after in the middle ages, a power whispered to us in the patterns of stellar brightnesses and spectra (colors).

By studying how light interacts and travels, we have learned valuable tools and techniques to study matter up close. Most of our instrumentation comes from knowledge of how light works, and much of this was discovered by watching light operate on the grand scales of the cosmos.

Even in ancient times, stars and planets demarqued the passing of seasons, months, tides, days, years, and longer cycles that we used to time planting crops and other aspects of our culture. We have relied on the messages from the stars to survive since the dawn of civilization.

(cont)

You ask why we look out to the stars, why we look out at our surroundings. Similarly: why look at, interact with, or bother understanding other people? Do we have nothing to learn from taking an interest in our neighbors? Understanding them and what they are going through will help us understand ourselves and our place in the society/ecosystem/planet/universe of which we are all a part.

Except living. Probes not too good at that.

>Muh greenhouse effect on Venus

Didn't want to mention that Venus doesn't rotate and has no magnetic field huh
Which is the REAL reason that the H was stripped away

Talking about our place in the universe is philosophy stuff, not astronomy.