The average for my last organic chemistry exam was a 54. Why is this acceptable?

I haven't taken Orgo, nor will I ever. However, I have spoken to people taking it and seen their homework. It really looks and sounds like orgo is conceptually heavy.

From my own experience, conceptual courses can be challenging and fun, but they can also be very difficult, depending on the professor and if the university just wants the course to be overly difficult.

You mean in the I’m right?

This was an engineering class of mine I don’t know why it’s acceptable... even though I didn’t attend most lectures hes a good teacher. Nobody does anything.. nobody cares..

In the uk*** I meant

>74
desu that's still pretty shit even with an average of 54.
>Because it means a typical student only learned 54%
It doesn't really mean that. Averages tend to get dragged down due to the retards who score less than 10%. If you have 5 people and 4 of those score a 60 while the other dick gets a 10 then you'll have an average of 50.

I know it's shit, but I don't really care about this class. Only taking it because its a pre-req. I just think the system is fucked up. Also, they discard the outliers when posting the stats for the exam

>It really looks and sounds like orgo is conceptually heavy
Yes and no, really all it takes is just learning a few key concepts and then some slight memorization of mechs and reagents/conditions

Junior MechE student here

What crappy universities does this happen at?

literally everyone in the uk except maybe scotland (i think they model after the us grading system)

40%+ is passing in the uk, and im pretty sure you can still get by with less if you meet with some sort of board

they justify it by saying "its not inflationary like the us grading scale" because that apparently makes it better

thats fucking awful. I'm in a mid tier uni in the states and a C+ (76 or higher) is required in every course to pass, except a few like thermo 2 and dynamics

That’s literally high school level stats. How was the average a 39%?

its actually kind of awesome if you go to uni here tho, because employers actually semi-respect first class engineering degrees even though it's piss easy to get one (70%+ grade average)

and it's not that expensive here, so i'd recommend it to people that are brainlets that failed high school but want to be an engineer like me

you don't believe me probably...
pic related, sorry i meant median was 39 (avg 40.6)

second semester electronic engineering...

im literally going to meme state university apparently

Its not

>physics class with hardass chinese prof
>average test score was around 30-40%
>i was the only one who scored above an 80
>he spends all class saying how disappointed he was in us

So? How do you know the test wasn't designed so that a C student would get about half the questions right?

Reminder that C=75% is a convention, not a rule.

reminder that ur ugly irl and nobody love u

How would this method of testing make any sense?

ok im sorry i take it back

I think its probably because manufacturing in Europe is crazy expensive. Half the time, its even easier to manufacture in the US and import.

What school is that

>take Machine Design exam
>class average is 68
>I got a 93
>she is scolding everyone
>she looks at me
>I smile and give her a thumbs up
>she discretely gives me a thumbs up back

:^) oh happy days

NICE TRY FBI

yep sorry its classified also out of your jurisdiction

THIS is why people say to go to a top tier college or literally any ivy

NO GRADE CURVING OCCURS THERE

the entire class got a 50% on the exam? the entire class fails the class cya next sem

It's not hard, its poorly explained by the textbooks and professors. A LARGE majority of Science can be explained a lot simpler without dumbing down the content but STEM fags seem to think its some right of passage to decipher oodles of bullshit text in order to understand a concept that could be explained and understood in less than an hour.

>orgo isn't hard
confirmed for never taking orgo ever
a lot of the concepts in orgo are simple enough, but it takes a lot of headscratching to figure out plausible mechanisms for reactions, or to draw up a workable synthetic pathway for a desired product.

some (most) tests are based on whether or not you can regurgitate and some are based on whether or not you can really synthesize new ideas from what you learned

which isn't easy or only hard for "brainlets" - tests are honestly just the best setting to do that

This is not true across the board. The median grade at Harvard is an A-.

The problem I see and I suffer from sometimes is understanding. A lot of students will learn how to apply equations and concepts and not knowing why.

Orgo is pure memorization unironically. Physical chem is actual headscratching.

This is false

(you)

Chemistry majors are seriously brainlets.

Everyone who complains about this only posts the mean without the standard deviation
Maybe if you weren't retarded you might understand that its usually a binormal distribution with the retarded kids failing and the people who take school seriously doing well

>only posts the mean without the standard deviation
?? who cares ???? wtf

>Orgo is pure memorization unironically
Get a load of this brainlet

>Getting 50% leaves you with a GPA of 4.0/7.0
There are people getting degrees who are only right half the time. How is this acceptable?

I don't know how many times I've spoken to someone about an online, weekly test with an unlimited time limit and they tell me they got a score that's less than 75%.

Most people just don't fucking care.

You are either a dinosaur or a fake.

>average grade for first logic design exam is 62
>get 77

Are you sure that's an uni?

ausfag?

How wouldn't it? You design your tests so a C student gets 50% correct, and at the end of the semester define a range around 50% course grade as a C grade. Say, 40-60 is a form of a C, 60-75 is a B, anything higher is an A.

Consider an exam where half of the questions are ones anyone who studied a bit could answer, and the remaining questions are ones you would have to study a lot more or be a near genius to answer. That's how you get a C grade with a 50%.

A number like 74 relative to an average of 54 is actually meaningless (in terms of quantile) unless we know the variance and skewness of the results.

t. never taken stats

why do people struggle with ochem?

it was literally my easiest class. easier than gen chem. literally all you do is go to class, learn how some molecules interact then apply that to the test. i got a 96% in ochem1. what exactly is difficult?

>average on first relativity test is 55%
>get 97%
do physics brainlets just not study or what?

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Yes I literally just posted a pic of me getting the highest grade on a stats test in this thread

You don’t need the standard deviation, we already know that 50% of people fall below the mean which is sad enough. Of course there’s students that did well, what’s your point? Nobody is saying otherwise

Yep. It is, sadly

Lots of people doing statistics modules in the UK won't have done maths since GCSEs and are doing meme degrees like psychology with a compulsory statistics module that they need to scrape by(40%) to pass.

These classes are filled with mouth-breathers away from their area of """specialism""", doing their bit to make a degree less and less meaningful.

What was being covered? A 54 would be pretty bad for IUPAC and basic reactions, but it'd be pretty average for stuff like NMR, IR, or synthesis. Those tend to be the lowest exam scores on average, I've found.

is grade curving a meme? i currently have a B in my engineering class and i know as a fact that i have one of the best grades in the class. i'm at least in the top 3. i'm frustrated because i'm trying to get an A but it feels like it's not going to happen. the class average for the last exam was a 64, so most of the class failed. five people have dropped out since that exam. there's only 12 people left in the class and there's still two months left of the semester. i'd be very happy if my B was curved to an A. i know i look stupid. i'm a 30 year old virgin who's been a neet for 9 years and this is my first semester at college.

give them the fucc

It's pretty easy. Nucleophiles attack electrophiles. That's pretty much the gist of it. People who think it's hard are terminal brainlets.

>Yes I literally just posted a pic of me getting the highest grade on a stats test in this thread
>we already know that 50% of people fall below the mean which is sad enough
Lol'd.

in my experience it's almost always a normal distribution

In my experience it's usually a mixture of two standard distributions: The people who studied and those who didn't