Negative numbers don’t exist

You didn’t define 4 in terms of apples, you defined it in terms of ‘things’. -1 is a ‘thing’ that behaves in a particular way when you do arithmetic on it.

are you dense? it's like you're intentionally defining these things in such a way that you can feel right. If I have 4 apples, you can't take 5 but you can take 4 and leave me with a debt of 1 (hence the -1). fucks sake

Draw -1 things then. The apple is just an example, you can call it whatever you want. Fact is theres no such thing as -1 things.

yeah I can take 4 and say you owe me 1, whats the problem here? You just admitted im right (you can't take 5)

but no one fucking said you can take 5, for fucks sake you're the most retarded poster on this board. The operation of your computer is heavily reliant on the "existence" of negative numbers so I suppose that doesn't exist. I am legitimately upset that someone this retarded could manage to become 18 years old and post on Veeky Forums

There's nothing in my computer that is a negative amount of things. I don't have -1 hard drives.

OP is the first person to have negative iq, congrats

>Draw -1 things then
Give me a dollar.
How many more dollars do you have now?

>negatives serve a conceptual purpose
>HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR YOU CANT HAVE NEGATIVE PHYSICAL QUANTITIES
>negatives can be used to represent debt, directionality, position, etc
>HURRRR DURRR YOU CANT HAVE NEGATIVE PHYSICAL QUANTITIES
jesus fuck op

this

I have no more dollars than I started with, so I have 0 more dollars.

So you're admitting it's just made up arithmetic that doesn't exist. If so I can divide by zero and do whatever I want as long as it has a "conceptual purpose".

you can divide by zero in some wheels

>So you're admitting it's just made up arithmetic that doesn't exist
>HURRRR DURRR NEGATIVE PHYSICAL QUANTITIES DONT EXIST
it just doesnt stop

So you have less now then you did before? How could that be if negative transactions are a fiction.

What do you tell your bank when they insist you've got minus 40 dollars in your checking account?
"Negative numbers don't exist, so F*** you! I'm not paying!!"

Not an argument

I have less than before because a gave you 1 thing, that's how it could be

I know what the fake maths means but that doesn't mean it exists

So you agree 5 + (-1) = 4

>HURRR DURR NOT AN ARGUMENT COS PHYSICAL QUANTITIES DONT EXIST
ahahaha AHAHAHAHA NO NO NO

No, you can't add -1 things to 5 things

Not an argument

if I have 3 things (uuu) and I add 1 thing (u) how many things do I have?

>I can just as well say that 1/0 is “@1”.
Not necessarily "as well."
What benefits does your new number system offer?
Probably none since that's how many benefits existing number systems that define division by zero offer.

HOLY
FUCK

CAN WE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE THIS SHIT A BANNABLE OFFENSE

For fuck's sake, every time this thread pops up we gain another dozen ignorant /x/ and /pol/ retards that think they can somehow revolutionize mathematics despite never having gone to college.
>Imaginary numbers are flawed concepts that need to be replaced
>Infinity is a purely philosophical construct that can be treated as a real number
>Negative numbers don't exist
Stop. Just stop. Just. Fucking. Stop.

I mean number systems are just fictions we agree upon using as a species

Now if only the burgers could just drop the arrogance and agree to use metric already

usefulness doesn't make things true

>Stop. Just stop. Just. Fucking. Stop.
no

4 things (uuuu)

How does that work with credit cards?

>not an argument
not an argument

>usefulness doesn't make things true
There is an endless pile of crap that's trivially true. Usefulness helps us decide on the much smaller subset of truth that is non-crap to actually invest time in.

>therefore

>implying there is such a thing as truth at all
all we can know is how useful any one thing is, as truth is unattainable.

did the caveman build that nail? how?

this is true, only 1 exists, everything else is the folly of man

Can we ban you retards am tired of hearing muh negative, imaginary number don’t exist therefore hurr durr we should ban you ass go read a book or do something

>Saying “-1” is just making up your own “number” to describe the answer that doesn’t exist. I can just as well say that 1/0 is “@1”.
Welcome to math! All that matters is does using @1 demonstrate something new or interesting that we can do? This is how new fields of math are born (as well as new set sets of numbers, such as negative numbers)

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Lol at op for honestly being this dumb. And lol at me for falling for the bait

>how can our numbers be negative if our apples our positive?

Hey op, do you believe in substraction?

I'm sure you do. So instead I invite you to propose a system in which subtraction can be managed when a > b, and you need to do perform the following calculation: b-a

Negative numbers are mathematically consistent therefore they exist. They exist more than you do you fucking monkey, only numbers really exist anything apart from numbers is just an illusion.

op here

you're right, im wrong im honestly a huge brainlet

Because I'm a nice guy I'm going to tell you that you're looking at numbers the way one looks at magnitudes.

In the same sense that you can never have negative distance, magnitude is always positive. However, numbers are simply conceptual and |-a| = |a|, magnitudes are always equal no matter the direction on the number line because it's a measure of the distance traveled.

Numbers extend beyond this application though, and you should read up on ordered field axioms and penal axioms to remedy these primitives thoughts. Algebra as we know it isn't magnitude based like classical geometry, and is founded upon substraction and negatives existing.

It's ok, every else was being equally brainlet by not providing real arguements. That was the real cringe. imo.

if a > b then b - a is invalid. What is a/b if b = 0? I addressed this in the OP.

If you're making things up its not real maths

>Lol at op for honestly being this dumb
My IQ is 141 tested by a psychologist, pic related

when the number you are subtracting is larger than the number you are subtracting from you simply count until it hits zero; at that point the number bounces off zero and you continue the calculation until you have your answer. Then your answer is simply stated as: 0 (where 0 represents all non-existent numbers past it)

Invalid? So in this system you've proposed, just to be clear, you can never substract a larger number from a smaller number? Can you substract equal numbers?

op here

i just dot undertsand how negative numbers are real i dont get it because u cant have stuff that dont exist lol it means that negitive numebers serve NO purpose and r useless they dnt exist lmaoooo u guys r so fricken dumb

op here again

u cant have negative numebers just stop it guys. negitive number ALWAYS means physical quantiity it never means anything else u gusy are FRICKEN IDIOITS

>yes
>yes

>cant come up with an argument so he has to impersonate me to make me look bad, kek

This allows contradictions to arise, like:
b-b=0
b-a=0
Contradiction, since a > b.

>some guy pretending that im impersonating myself
lmao

See . The great thing is your allowed to build your megalomaniacal number field up on your own axioms. As long as it's rigorously logical and it's theorems don't lead to contradictions, any sensible mathematician would approve.

The problem is, without negatives you will only work within the naturals.

Sorry, there should be a third like saying "b=a"

Yes, and negative numbers aren't logical.

Address the arguement in the statement above that concludes in b=a or admit you're wrong.

>negative numbers dont exist
sure, that's a retarded way to put it, but yes you cant have negative physical quantities.

protons and electrons have equal but opposite charge. one has to be represented as positive, and the other negative for it to work out in force equations like coulomb's law

I'm not

Well the address the arguement presented:

a>b, then b-b=0, and according to your real 0 is what happens when you substract larger from smaller, so b-a=0. Then a=b, but this contradicts a > b.

positive and negative particles have nothing to do with it, negative numbers are equivalent to dark matter in physics. Totally made up.

I never said you can subtract a larger number from a smaller number

it's experimentally proven that protons have equal but opposite charge. one of them is required to be negative. explain why this isn't true?

the only actual retard is (you) for falling for this retard-tier bait

So what do you do in that case? Or does that case not ever occur (it does, physically and concretely).

it never occurs, go ahead and explain how youd take 6 apples from a basket of 5 apples.

what are you talking about, the word negative means something different obviously

negative numbers are just as made up as positive numbers. they represent different things in different situations. if we are talking about vector quantities, positive/negative would represent directionality. if we're looking at cartesian coordinates positive/negative would represent position, if we're looking at particle charges positive/negative would represent the opposite charge nature of elementary particles, if we're looking at physical quantities we can represent positive/negative as debt obviously but you are mindlessly attributing negative to "physical quantity" when nobody said that in the first place

>the word negative means something different
so you just admitted it means something

Sure you can say that. Now all you have to do is axiomatize that in a logical way and show that it's both useful and better than what we have and we'll start using it.

>negative numbers are just as made up as positive numbers
nope, i can't -1 things. rest of argument discarded because you're retarded.

yes negative numbers mean something, but they dont exist. obviously.

To expand on when this physically happens:

You drive 5 miles north. You realize you need to go to the library (to read about math and stop being retarded). The library is 6 miles south of your current location (one mile south from starting location).

Represent, numerically, this trip to the library in terms of total miles traveled north, respective to starting location of 0, from start to finish. Show your work, because there's several cases here that prove algebraically and physically the existence of negatives.

Once you realize south is, in this case, algebraically acting as a negative number, go the library.

>i can't say -1 things
u just did, and i just explained how positive/negative numbers can be meaningful and existent

>rest of argument discarded because you're retarded.
in the words of you, "not an argument"

>negative numbers mean something but they dont exist

But you didn't go negative north.

You went positive south.

It's impossible to go negative north.

op here ur idiots

negitive numebers dont exist physically therefor they dont eisxist

Please answer the question or admit you are wrong. I did not say you go negative north or south, I asked you to numerically represent the trip (especially so in terms of mileage north respective to the starting position of 0).

you can say anything u want, doesnt mean it exists.

total miles travelled north is 5

Positives and 0 don't exist either then. Numbers aren't physical.

does debt exist op?

No it's not. It's just a designation of direction on a line. Just like you can go radial and antiradial. You can North and antiNorth. You're too hung up on semantics. +(-5) is the same as -5. You're just designating it a different word for the same direction.

OP here, i'm finished being entertained by you retards. Gonna go see a movie with my gf now. Thread was just to get (you)s, whos the brainlet now? Cya!

How many meters above sea level is the Death Valley, OP?

OP here... im trying to think of a way we can represent DEBT DOLLARS. if we have 3 dollars and we take away 5, we have 0 dollars and im 2 dollars in debt. 2 is a positive number... hmmm... how could we represent 2 dollars in debt?? hmmm i cant think of anything

oh shit OP got us good

I misworded, my apologies. Represent the trip numerically in terms of change of starting position of 0, do so algebraically or geometrically. Represent the origin with a, the trip north with point b, and the destination with point c just to make everything unambiguous.

>my """"""""gf""""""""

Do things exist in the first place.
Thinking of evaporating, HUP, etc.

You are in debt one apple my dude

You have $4 and you order a $5 beer at a bar, you have a dollar tab to pay my dude

my dude

...

when you say 5-1=4 you're saying 5+(-1) so essentially you're saying subtraction doesn't exist. Which may be true with the whole energy/matter can't be destroyed meme. Plus there's absolute zero. Is negative pressure real? Or is pressure an absolute zero as well? Once you get to zero particles that's as low of pressure as you can get right?

It's odd to see people actually sperging about the claim though. Tons of people can't into negative numbers but do people actually believe negative really exists? It's just a hypothetical, a function, but it's still just a concept

>do people actually believe negative exists?
that's just semantics. OP's troll is just saying "exists" instead of "exists physically" and then purposely playing semantics anytime someone tries to explain the meaning behind negative numbers by saying "it doesn't exist [physically] my dude u didnt prove anything im right ur wrong"

Do you think positives are any less abstract or somehow exist more than negatives do?