Well Veeky Forums I've just read a paper that had some fairly convincing arguments for a cooling effect of moonlight.
Claim: Two equal glasses of water are left outside at night for a few hours during or near a full moon, they both measure the same temperature. Then one glass gets a shade set up blocking the moonlight. They are both left a couple more hours. The temperature reading is done again surprisingly the one in the shade measures warmer than the glass of water left in the moonlight for some hours.
Can Veeky Forums prove or debunk this phenomena? If proven, can Veeky Forums explain this strange behavior of moonlight.
the shade isolates the water from the air you doofus, it has nothing to do with light. it would be the same if the two glasses were placed in a dark cabinet.
Eli Lee
The shade was set up some 15 feet away. Not directly on the top of the glass.
Luis Nguyen
I sort of expected Veeky Forums to just toss names around at me.
Is anyone here able to perform this experiment themselves? I'd be interested to see a third party try it.
Andrew Harris
Link the paper you moron
Cooper Russell
Ok, but you guys hate Miles Mathis so that sort of takes away the unbiased response I was after.
A whole bunch of rambling. I couldn't even find the data. Is the difference enough to cover the error? I doubt it.
Christian Carter
So that's one more Veeky Forumsentist giving up on the question. Thanks for your valuable time.
>I couldn't even find the data. This is part of the problem, it's been hypothesized that moonlight causes cooling, but there really is no official data one way or the other. This question has been asked of science for many years now.
Jackson Walker
from the paper;
>Moonlight is always coming from the opposite direction of Sunlight. This alone is enough to flip it. It doesn't have to be flipped in some fancy process at the surface of the Moon. All it has to do is bounce. The Moon's light is automatically antiphotonic simply because it is coming from the left when the Sun is right. In fact, all light coming from the direction of the Moon is antiphotonic, simply because it is coming from that direction. The light from the planets and stars, when falling at night, is also antiphotonic. Which means. . . it doesn't matter if the Moon is up or not. We would get cooling from starlight and the planets, though not as much. For this reason, someone should have predicted long ago that Moonlight was cooling, and I am just dissappointed it wasn't me. I am getting to the party rather late, and I can only apologize by arriving with an explanation rather than a prediction. The explanation is that the opposing spins of those antiphotons at night tamp down the spins of the dominant photons in the field, causing cooling.
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Kayden Clark
We don't even need photon-antiphoton collisions, since antiphotons will spin down anything and everything they hit. All ions and nuclei in the field will have been spun up previously by the dominant Solar photons, and will therefore be spinning left, say. So whatever the right-spinning antiphotons now hit, they will spin down. This spin down is an energy loss, and thereby a heat loss. This effect on Moonlight would be at a maximum at full Moon, but not only because that is when the reflected light is greatest. It is also important that light at that time is most antiphotonic. At full Moon, the Moon is directly opposite the Sun (or the most opposite it would be without being in Lunar eclipse).
In that position, we don't have to take any sines of angles, getting a reduction in opposition. In that case, the Moon is not “to the side” at all. For this reason, I can at least predict that the maximum cooling effect will be when the Moon is nearest Lunar eclipse without actually being eclipsed. No one else would think to predict that since they don't have my mechanics.
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Alexander Long
Op, you do realise MOONlight is exactly the same thing as SUNlight just with lower intensity r-right?
Armed with this newfound knowledge please take a swift noose to the throat as you clearly have disregarded the fact that photons are a type of electromagnetic wave (or particle if it is so inclined lol) and therefore INCREASE the total heat of a system, admittedly not by much, but water does block some light and must absorb it's energy.
Look, I've even made a nice summarising greentext for you
William Wood
This is almost all bullshit lmao
Oliver Young
>it's been hypothesized that moonlight causes cooling No it hasn't >but there really is no official data one way or the other. So run the experiment yourself. >This question has been asked of science for many years now. No it hasn't
"Using the electromagnetic trap to contain the Magnesium ions, they bombarded them with a laser barely out of phase from the resonant frequency of the atoms"
Good luck finding visible light or IR with a frequency ANYWHERE NEAR that of the resonant frequency of a water molecule BTFO
Andrew Rodriguez
Do you know what photons are m'lad? Okay, now do you understand how the moon reflects them from the sun?
>inb4 they changed somehow because muh astrology BS
Jace Moore
"Antiphotonic" is gibberish. Technobabble.
Things cool off at night because they're radiating heat into interstellar space and getting practically nothing back. The heat from the Moon is trivial. The shade may interfere with the radiative process, at least slightly, or it may alter air currents. If you want real cold you need still air. Otherwise the cooled air above the glass is replaced by warm air. You use baffles, like the compartments of an ice cube tray.
A fair comparison would be no moon in the sky vs. a new moon. Both ways, there's no moonlight and no shade needed.
Jaxson Sanders
>So run the experiment yourself. I plan on it now, I assumed Veeky Forums would be able to debunk this without me having to buy thermometers.
Photons are spinning. This I know. Real physical spin.
Leo Wood
>I assumed Veeky Forums would be able to debunk this without me having to buy thermometers.
Then how tf they gon do that boy? With an equation perhaps>
Ayden Martinez
yeah man, photons spin therefore the spin must somehow impart a magical cooling effect I'd sarcastically clap for you, but that's giving you too much credit
Anthony Mitchell
If you like that one good sir, I suggest you read up on his atomic theory.
the opposing spins of a photon colliding with a photon from the same source reflected back will cause the spins to "tamp each other down" thereby causing a cooling effect.
Ian Long
Particles don't actually spin you idiot. Just look up on YouTube what quantum spin actually is.
Brody Thompson
>"Antiphotonic" is gibberish. Technobabble. Antiphotonic is used to describe photons with opposing spin to the local system of photons.
Juan Barnes
Tell me then, is the moon heated by the sun?
>the opposing spins of a photon colliding with a photon AHAHAHAHHAAHAHA MEGA FAGGOT CONFIRMED GUYS Get a load of this guy
Logan Clark
That's about when I stop trying to talk to "scientists"
Particles do actually spin. They do not have flavor though I'd say.
Landon Sanders
>Tell me then, is the moon heated by the sun? I will tell you. Yes, the moon is heated by the sun. Not all of the sunlight heats the moon however, some of it "reflects" and shines on us here on Earth or just off into space.
Alexander Martinez
>Moonlight is always coming from the opposite direction of Sunlight. the first sentence is already a lie
Michael Cook
If you think colliding photons with opposed spins somehow cancels energy, you don't know very much. If energy disappeared, where would it go? It's a conserved quantity (though it can be converted into mass.) Two photons just pass right through each other and go on their merry ways unaffected. There's no "anti-energy"..
Nolan Butler
this is so silly. so the two glasses were at different spots. two different temps.
Oliver Walker
>Particles do actually spin. Prove it. You can't. Now look up what spin actually is and admit you were retarded and learned something today.
Joshua Gomez
You're gonna love this post.
Photon spin is the mechanism behind magnetism.
Camden Russell
Okay, so we've established that to sun can heat the earth (during the day) and that the sun can heat the moon.
So when these spinning photons hit the moon and get reflected back to us they have opposite spins and somehow cool down objects? (lol, no)
Right, okay so how to photo-voltaic cells still function at night? And how do we take photos of the moon if all of these photons are cooling us down, surely our cameras would FREEZE solid with all this long exposure photography going on?
James Gray
Teenage philosopher tier.
Daniel Perez
please see
Aaron Baker
You assume I don't understand what feynman taught, when in reality I am saying he was wrong.
Subatomic particles do spin.
What's next, do I hear a "Shut up and calculate." coming from the faggots?
Henry Adams
>Subatomic particles do spin. Prove it. You can't.
Kevin Clark
>Gravity is bent spacetime
spacetime is not real and cannot bend space real, not bendable though time real, also not bendable
also using light as a clock and ruler is fucking retarded
Cameron Murphy
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Jose Cooper
prove that they do not spin
you also cannot
Ayden Cooper
the glass in moonlight is cooler because it could radiate it's heat to space. The one under the shade could not. Wow it's heat transfer 101. Did you know that people can die of hypothermia when it is 20 degrees C outside? If you get naked on a clear night, you can die of hypothermia because you radiate all your heat to space.
Jace Diaz
>spacetime is not real and cannot bend Proof? Nah, just give me an equation and i'll be happy, better yet give me a counter example from one of Einstein's, should be simple for a genius like you. And btw you are doing a great job trolling, congrats. I can keep this up all day lad.
Just please explain to me how the photons reflected from the moon can possibly cool the water on earth by means of a particle spin.
John Reyes
Exactly. You travel along side-by-side with a moving electron. It has an electric field (lines sticking out radially) but no magnetic field. Slow down a little so the electric has relative motion. Suddenly it HAS a magnetic field. Where did it come from? You didn't do anything to the electron. Magnetic fields are an illusion. Which is not to say they don't have effects.
You don't know what a wave function is, brainlet go study a physics textbook
Ryan Davis
Right, but these spins can decrease the total heat content of a system, how exactly?
Carter Clark
Proved it. Particle spin can't be actually spinning.
Charles Long
read the paper I linked and the others that are linked within it
Jaxson Anderson
It's not physical spin you fool, it's an intrinsic quantum state used to differentiate electrons when they are placed in shells.
>t. doesn't even atomic theory
Jaxon Price
Are you replying to the right person? You're repeating all the points I've been making.
Hudson Fisher
see Please stop being a faggot and accept that spin has no effect on the thermodynamic properties of a system. Damn son, even your fancy schmansy article on laser cooling mentioned nothing about spins of photons. Ya think there might be a reason for that?
Chase Brooks
Whatever caused the shade also shielded the glass from the wind.
Samuel Ward
Oh shit i might not be :/ I think OP's retardation is rubbing off on me, sorry man, anywhoo he's been BTFO many times and still continues to troll
Evan Rodriguez
what could possibly be behind the wave? not a spin?
what about stacked spins? Can Veeky Forums even visualize a particle spinning about 3 axis' simultaneously?
Thomas Mitchell
lmao, electrons in shells, now it;'s all so clear thanks
Noah Hughes
The moon creates its own light, it doesn't reflect the sun's light that's fucking dumb. The sun is hot light and the moon is a cold light, it's what the yin/yang symbol represents.
Juan Walker
yup lets troll right on over to photon channeling theory
Jacob Miller
what is this a picture of?
which way are these photons spinning?
Dylan Peterson
hey can you provide me with a WP article of Photon Channeling? Oh, no sorry how about an independent and peer review scientific article? No, I guess you can't either
Case closed..
Camden Hill
atomic theory it is
here is a picture of an alpha
Liam Myers
The sun is just a big ball of gas on fire. Is this some electric universe bullshit?
Asher Anderson
But what does this have to do with the wavelength of Magenta?
Adrian Gray
Someone needs to do this but with moonlight and record the temperature of what it's shone on to shut these idiots up
>Is anyone here able to perform this experiment themselves? Would it really be that difficult for you to do it? You don't have some clear cups and two thermometers?
Alexander Anderson
What is this shit?
Jordan Phillips
the black discs are protons the green circles represent neutrons, it's the nucleus of helium, an electron on the poles. (too small to draw pic related)
protons are not actually bigger or discs, but their field is
the arrow represents the flow of energy through the atom
>one trial >shitty hand-held infrared thermometer >counting for anything
If it cools things then i should be able to freeze stuff with a giant fresnel lens using moonlight ffs
Jaxson King
posts flat earth video on Veeky Forums unironically
Tyler Campbell
I didn't say anything about "decreased heat content" You may be thinking of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_refrigeration Some materials become warmer in a field because the field aligns the electron spins. You let normal heat transfer cool the material back to it's original temperature, then turn off the field and the temperature drops still further.
I think the lowest temperatures ever attained are through a similar method, but applied to the particles in the nucleus.
Nothing to do with the spin of moonlight.
Aaron Long
the lens would distort the antiphotonic cooling nature of moonlight
Jace Jenkins
point objects cannot spin
Dylan Cook
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Angel Kelly
were any of this true it would be trivial to demonstrate in a lab. bounce a high-powered laser off a mirror and it should behave with the same "antiphotonic" behavior as moonlight, and should cool objects rather than heating them.
Connor Martin
This guy answered it sufficiently.
Now we can just call you a moron.
I wont, because I am too polite, but there are plenty of others here.
Christian Walker
objects can't be points
thank you
Ryan Perez
They have, you're just ignoring it.
Luis Cooper
photons dont have volume or rest mass, so they're not objects
Tyler Miller
that's like saying there can be no perfect circles.
if the radius is rational than the circumference is irrational and vice versa
Kevin King
>>the opposing spins of a photon colliding with a photon
See, physicists thought it would be cute to name something "spin," and now THIS shit happens.
Cameron Sullivan
There are lots of videos of people doing it. Do it yourself you lazy shit
well, the original name of spin did make sense. the quantum behavior of the particles was consistent with them having spin-imparted angular momentum
Jack Baker
>The Coulomb force (static electric force) between electric charges. It is caused by the exchange of virtual photons. In symmetric 3-dimensional space this exchange results in the inverse square law for electric force. Since the photon has no mass, the coulomb potential has an infinite range.
>The magnetic field between magnetic dipoles. It is caused by the exchange of virtual photons. In symmetric 3-dimensional space, this exchange results in the inverse cube law for magnetic force. Since the photon has no mass, the magnetic potential has an infinite range.
>Electromagnetic induction. This phenomenon transfers energy to and from a magnetic coil via a changing (electro)magnetic field. The strong nuclear force between quarks is the result of interaction of virtual gluons. The residual of this force outside of quark triplets (neutron and proton) holds neutrons and protons together in nuclei, and is due to virtual mesons such as the pi meson and rho meson.
Cooper Brown
>was Implying it currently isn't?
Samuel Moore
the shade could have blocked the radiative effects of the unshaded glass
Grayson Smith
i was referring to the choice of name when the original experiment was performed. of course it's still true, but we're not constantly in the process of re-naming the phenomenon
Evan Stewart
>light isn't distorted by the atmosphere
sweet jesus
Brayden Thomas
atmosphere is a globe-earth-science lie
Luis Wilson
That's one for Veeky Forums
Maybe a lens will work after all, I'll have to try it.
Justin Smith
>makes post about cooling effects of moonlight >I didn't say anything about "decreased heat content"
Josiah Robinson
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Jordan Rodriguez
>Can Veeky Forums prove or debunk this phenomena? Yes, we debunked it already NOW FUCK OFF
Logan Russell
Someone ELSE suggested "cooling effect" Can't you read? (I mean "read English". You're doing very well if you're a Russian Troll working for the "Make America Stupid" movement.)
Josiah Torres
This thread reminds me of this picture.
Adrian Young
Okay sorry :( I was making fun of OP btw sheesh not you