Is the concept of relativity completely backwards? Relativity and QM as it is now does produce some right empirical results however the way of thinking about it seems to be backwards.
Suppose one starts with a flat space, and there were some value of a field over that space that corresponds to the action needed to cross that area. If one were to associate that action with distance itself, then is this not the "curved space time" described by general relativity?
Moreover, QFT seems to be backwards too. The photon is not the carrier of the electromagnetic force, the electromagnetic force carriers light.
Colton Clark
so much physics is just wrong
Juan Johnson
>Is the concept of relativity completely backwards? Yes user, you got it. You figured it all out. You don't even need to go to university now. Just show this post to your prospective employers and you're good to go. After that, you may even want to try for a Nobel.
Christian Long
Aether physics was around long before folks like Einstein (puppet of the government) started promoting alternatives.
Aaron Moore
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Jason Carter
and it got btfo by experiments long before Einstein too
Kevin Ortiz
To believe the atom exists all on its own without any external connection is silly. Bending of space/time and time travel is another error. If you want reality, take a look at aether physics by electrical engineers such as Tesla. Pilot wave theory is also helpful. To pass your tests, just follow along with relativity like everyone else.
Nolan Brown
i'd rather just tell you to kill yourself with your retarded, pointless, disproven by 100 year old experiments theory
Andrew Edwards
they are probably both wrong. it's something else. experiments can be wrong too..
Christopher Sanders
>100s of experiments all say the same thing >they got more accurate as time went by
sure, they can be
Christopher Wood
depends on what your actually trying to prove, how you are approaching the problem, like a self-fulfilling prophecy. the solution may not be aether as such either... something is wrong tho
Jonathan Gomez
100s of experiments? hahaha You pulled that out of your ass. Aether practically travels at the same speed on earth AND it is a subatomic plasma. How the F are you gonna measure that with any level of meaningful accuracy?
Benjamin Long
>Aether practically travels at the same speed on earth why would it do that? does it follow the earth around as it revolves around the sun?
Chase Taylor
Hydrodynamics. Aether is responsive to heat and light. In order to start aetheric currents in any direction you'll need lots of heat and light. The Kepler Orrery presents many examples.
From an observer's perspective (standing on earth) it might as well be traveling 0MPH. One can try creating a wave (electrons are more influenced by aether due to having mass) against the aetheric current and measure differences but accuracy has to be insane to make it meaningful. Human technology is not at that point yet.
Dylan Rogers
if it's responsive to heat and light it would mean it has to absorb some, that would not be so difficult to detect
Cooper Perez
By creating a wave I meant; electron charge propagation. Technically, electrons are part of the aether and should provide better results.
Joseph Gonzalez
>Pilot wave theory >Muh hidden variables
Charles Turner
>Aether exists >Can't measure it Get the fuck off Veeky Forums
Leo Cooper
According to conventional physics, space is devoid of all matter and contains nothing. In actuality, there is subatomic plasma small enough to fit through any atomic lattice. Even metals are porous at the subatomic scale. Tesla discovered these facts when he was able to transfer non-electromagnetic energy through a Faraday cage.
Jonathan Cooper
bullshit, reproduce his experiment then, what exactly is stopping you?
Eli Murphy
the reason you are shitposting on this site is because of einsteins idea that electrons can be manipulated the same way you can manipulate a block on an inclined plane. the mechanics of small things (quanta)
Joshua Lopez
>Muh hidden variables
The key is in pilot wave dynamics. I can break it down but what's the fun in that? I'd rather see you believing in time travel and black holes. It is so much more entertaining. Did you just read this in my voice?
Jonathan Long
>black holes exist >cant really measure them
Robert Taylor
we detected and measured black holes already, in completely different ways too
Adrian Stewart
dont deny they exist, like i said, whats inside a blackhole m8
Camden Perez
If the theory was true then the interference pattern wouldn't be destroyed by observing which slit the electron went through, since by pilot wave theory's explanation both the wave and particle are real and distinct(albeit connected) objects.
Nathaniel Wood
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Tyler Rogers
>whats inside a blackhole imo there's nothing. anything approaching the event horizon gets burnt up and smeared across that region of space-time.
Jordan Jenkins
from the point of view of an outside observer, it doesn't matter what's inside or what happens inside, anything past the event horizon is not part of our universe's timeline anymore
Christopher Turner
Plasma medium Vs. denser liquid medium. hmmmm ;)
Levi Scott
Gotta move on. Thanks for the debate, gentlemen.
Tyler Ortiz
well i disagree. it comes back thru ejection jets so something must be happening, and therefore there is knowledge to be discovered maybe there is nothing tangible, but must be some kinda energy field supporting the torus
Christian Cooper
>it comes back thru ejection jets
No, jets form from the accretion disk around a black hole, long before it passes the event horizon
Jayden Richardson
>maybe there is nothing tangible, but must be some kinda energy field supporting the torus that's assuming the region works anything like what we're familiar with. if you buy into anything around the holographic principle interpretations, it could just be a region of maximal entropy, and so there really is nothing except a surface. any conventional form of interior might not be able to exist since adding to that interior would increase the entropy of the surface beyond the Bekenstein bound. in normal matter, entropy is proportional to the volume of the object, but for black holes, calculations show that entropy is proportional to the surface area.
Bentley Adams
Any two theories that produces the exact same results cannot be compered empirically. The effects of can be measured and we know they exist so at grand scales you need to assume something that wilk be incompatibke with "common sense". Einstein speciak theory of relativity is pretty if you just understand the concept of what non euclidean geometry is, and assumes two principles that are supported by experiments.
Lincoln Bennett
Nice freemasonic handshake.
Evan Green
Trippy
Luke Price
hey, I've been a most excellent masonic master all this time and didn't know it
Kayden Morales
trust me i'm a jesuit >muh big bang >muh accelerating expansion relativity: >muh determinism
Luke Anderson
haha my grandad used to do entered apprentice, now i know
Nolan Torres
Don't bother discussing anything with the retards of Veeky Forums OP, the majority of them are university/college kids.
Relativity is silly. You can't bend space. Time isn't a physical dimension, it's a metrical one. All the particle physics is nonsense. The gravitational theory is paradoxical, it's not solely based on mass.
Doesn't mean Einstein wasn't wrong or wasn't a good guy, just one of his theories was peddled.
Jacob Ortiz
Yes, I think that could well be the case
Christian Ward
but... the university is the uni-verse... the whole-story
Jaxson Russell
The idea is that electrical phenomena IS the aether. It's embedded at the atomic level. So it would be that the Earth's field is the aether rather than it being a separate thing all together.
Xavier Jenkins
>The idea is that electrical phenomena IS the aether. It's embedded at the atomic level.
okay then, what exactly does that mean? does it make any predictions, like quantum electrodynamics does?
>b-but i don't like quantum things you should have a talk with the universe, talk some sense into it
Parker Price
I think therefore I am, faggot!
Adrian Rivera
>the majority of them are university/college kids. Wrong the majority are in highschool
Henry Parker
Well that means lots of different things, but one of the biggest things is changing the atom itself to be nothing but pure aether in torsion/motion. No particles.
That opens up a lot of different things, and in my eyes all your electrical/field phenomena would tie together (gravity, magnetism, etc.).
The biggest one is the generation and termination of electrical current. Someone needs to figure that stuff out at a deeper level.