NASA astrobiologist here

Did you know Mars was a planet with life one aeon ago? It had a shallow ocean with complex life like we could find in the Ordovician period here on Earth for example. But a cataclysm destroyed martian atmosphere making it thin and then when there was no friction, sufficient heat was not generated to maintain a stable temperature and resulting that the water could not continue in liquid state. Even today in some places of the martian surface that receive more solar radiation temperatures exceed 0°C and the ice melts forming small streams, little rivers. Millions of years ago Mars had a magnetosphere, but a geomagnetic storm destroyed it, we think that this same powerful geomagnetic storm could also devastate the atmosphere and now we have a dead planet without magnetosphere and almost no atmosphere.

In case you didn't know it, Mars is in the circumstellar habitable zone. That the planet is frozen is not because it's far from the sun, as they say to the public, but to the geomagnetic storm that destroyed its magnetosphere and atmosphere millions of years ago. They constantly deceive the public, manipulating information, an example is the color of the sky, the sky is blue a bit dirty due to iron oxide particles, but it's not orange. Some years ago we discovered the first alien life, for us it's official, but of course you will not see anything on TV. I don't want to talk openly, I don't want to be killed. Don't ask me why information is hidden and manipulated, because honestly, I have no idea.

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Ask how I know that you are not a NASA astrobiologist.

Replying just to let you know that this garbage wasn't worth replying to. Have a good night.

>sufficient heat was not generated to maintain a stable temperature and resulting that the water could not continue in liquid state.

I think we have a word for that...

Are you those who make flat earth threads right?

You are fucking nothing and you don't know a shit kid

This is how Veeky Forums argues, impressive, I guess where there is nothing you can't expect to find something. I'm telling you facts kid, you can embrace the knowledge if you want, but you can still be blind if you don'twant to see

Why isn't this on /b/?
It's shit-tier bait.

duuuuude what if noahs ark is actually a story of moving from mars to earth after a cataclysmatic event

>nasa """"astrobiologist""" doesn't know the word freeze

>Millions of years ago Mars had a magnetosphere,
Okay.
> but a geomagnetic storm destroyed it
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This.

But also this desu.

>But a cataclysm destroyed martian atmosphere making it thin
Mars's proportionally smaller core quenched out long ago, and without circulating liquid iron, its magnetic field is much weaker, allowing the solar wind to strip away much of its atmosphere. there was no "geomagnetic storm", you brainlet. shit doesn't work like that.
>and then when there was no friction,
what the fug do you mean here?
>sufficient heat was not generated to maintain a stable temperature
it's about retention of internal heat, not heat generated at the surface through friction
>and resulting that the water could not continue in liquid state.
it's nothing to do with temperature and everything to do with low pressure that stops liquid water from existing at the surface long-term.

I dunno about the first poster, but this is how I know you're not actually a NASA astrobiologist.

>No one has been to Mars
>Did you know that Mars-

Stop.

>Millions of years ago Mars had a magnetosphere

I highly doubt this is true, maybe billions of years ago when it was hot enough to still have a liquid core, but Mars cooled much faster than Earth because it is much smaller, no spinning core no magnetosphere.
>geomagnetic storm destroying a magnetosphere
hah
This is something a would know, fuck off.

Thanks NASA, I learned something new today.

Veeky Forums is full of fucking brainlets

said the brainlet

explain how exactly would a geomagnetic storm permanently destroy a stable magnetosphere like Earth has

Universal Magnetic Field (UMRs)

Garry Denke's meteorite from Mars was found in March, 1977, while conducting an Arizona State University (ASU) graduate level class (GLG 518) geophysical survey for the U.S. Department of the Interior, Bureau of Reclamation, at the proposed Orme Dam site in Maricopa County, Arizona. The refractive seismic survey (sledge energy source) analysis report concluded that particular Salt River area east of Phoenix unstable, due to a major fault detection. The Bureau of Reclamation abandoned the proposed Orme Dam site, but Maricopa County's Mars meteorite found in March was not abandoned. Housed in 1977 at the Sigma Chi Fraternity, 606 Alpha Drive, Tempe, Arizona 85281, the meteorite collection was appropriately named MAR77001 (MARicopa County, MARch, 1977, MARs meteorite No. 1, by its founder, Garry Denke, geology / geophysics student, and relocated to ASU's Geology Building for analysis by optical mineralogy.

MAR77001, the same meteorite which contained the first known tangible direct detection evidence of the subject magnetic field of Mars, through observed reversed mineral alignments in thin section under polarizing microscope, also proved a polarity reversal, similar to those observed in the geologic record of the Earth, occurred in the geologic record of Mars. More profound was the implication that MAR77001 expanded the polarity reversal record to a broader scope, one which timed such polarity reversals as coinciding geomagnetic events. These events were coined "universal magnetic reversals" in Garry Denke's 1977 paper,

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"The Magnetic Field of Mars", which earned a "B" grade (expectation for Applied Geophysics was an "A" grade). Accordingly, meteorite MAR77001 was hacksawed in half resulting in Garry Denke's two (2) meteorites from Mars, "A" and "B". Catalogued Mars meteorite MAR77001"A" (505 grams) and Mars meteorite MAR77001"B", along with six (6) thin sections catalogued Mars meteorites MAR77001"C"-"H", the collection "B" through "H" was mailed to its rightful owner, U.S. Department of the Interior, Bureau of Reclamation. "A" was conferred upon its rightful owner, in May, 1977, and is currently housed at Denoco Inc. of Texas warehouse, Baylor County.

In chronological order of discovery, the Maricopa County Mars meteorites catalogued collection would be listed between the Zagami Mars meteorite found in October, 1962, at Zagami Rock, Katsina Province, Nigeria, and ALHA77005 Mars meteorite found in December, 1977, Allan Hills, Victoria Land, Antarctica. In July, 1997, over twenty (20) years after the first direct detection of The Magnetic Field of Mars through Maricopa County's Mars meteorite, and two (2) months before the Mars Global Surveyor direct measurement of the subject magnetic field, Denoco Inc., a Texas oil operator, and its president, Garry Denke, geologist / geophysicist, republished the findings in Usenet at sci.geo.meteorology. In September, 1997, the U.S. Mars Global Surveyor's magnetometer confirmed that Garry Denke's U.S. Department of Interior, Bureau of Reclamation's Maricopa County meteorite from Mars was indeed the first known tangible direct detection evidence of Mars' magnetic field as reported by fido7.ru.space.

Universal Magnetic Reversals

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You it's true right? Mars had a magnetosphere billions of years ago when it had a liquid core

After solar radiation the main heat source in the surface is the friction of the gases you fucking brainlet

Did I question Mars having a magnetosphere in the past?

Well my brainlet friend, first the magnetosphere is not stable, you fucking ignorant, change every 250 000 years and this change make it weak, if a huge geomagnetic storm hit when the magnetosphere is weak and the magnetic field is not powerful enough then it can not deflect the electromagnetic waves

and was fucked by a solar storm

>it can not deflect the electromagnetic waves

so what? it will just reemerge again after
i don't think you understand what makes a magnetosphere appear in the first place

No one know it 100% and it's supposed to be liquid metals flowing and the Earth rotating, but the destruction of the magnetosphere would be something that would take millions of years to recover, at that time the atmosphere and life on Mars were destroyed and later the liquid metals of the core solidified making the magnetosphere unrecoverable

ITT: Brainlets thinking they know what happened hundreds of thousands of years ago to a planet they've never been to, nor can they actually verify it's even a planet without resorting to CGI from NASA.

>later the liquid metals of the core solidified making the magnetosphere unrecoverable

ooh, so then Mars lost it's magnetosphere because it cooled, being much smaller than Earth means it cools much much faster
just like i said before

fuck off, brainlet

You are making a lot of assertions but you have provided no evidence.
Are you off your meds again?
Does baby want attention?

No.
The solar storms fucked the atmosphere after the magnetosphere shut down due to the core cooling.

Why don't we simply start terraforming mars. We technically have enough raw technology to start it.

We could hit each of the poles with thermonuclear or nutron charges. Aproximitly 15,000 megatons in the south, and 38,500 megatons in the north. To create water vapor, heat, and a new atmosphere. There are also viable working theories that the powerful EMP released at the same time- could and may restart a strong magnetic field.

The final touches could be achieved with later technologies, i.e. crashing a 1/4 mile chunk of asteroid ice into the shallowest part of the planet. And triggering dormant geothermal activity.

>Don't ask me why information is hidden and manipulated
What I'm going to ask you is what people gain from spreading fringe theories and pseudoscience all the time.

Usually bank rolled by oil complex- to help "discredit" legitimate and government back science, so they can say things like "Not everyone agrees, that's inconclusive, there's no final answer spilling oil causes a cancer spike" when fighting with the EPA, Environmental groups, or government representatives.

But when people claim Mars' atmosphere was blown away by a solar storm that could hit Earth as well, instead of its solidified core, despite all empirical data. What's the bloody point? It doesn't have anything to do with agendas anymore, it's just distrust of established facts for the sake of distrusting established facts so you can live in some weirdo world view bubble where everything is dominated by conspiracies.

>it's just distrust of established facts for the sake of distrusting established facts
Exactly, every time, they (legit science or government foundation) have to try to fight an uphill battle against people that "totally know the Earth is flat" and shit. The more crap they flood out there, the less actual science people talk about.

Flat Earth, was literally a trolling joke, until it was banked by one of many trade groups representing fossil fuel interests. And over night Flat Earth was suddenly a thing, and now people make threads on /b/ about "is flat erf realz?" instead of "What can humans do to limit man made global warming?"

DUUUUUUUUUDDEEEEE what if the movie The Core™ was just a story about how mar's core stopped working

>To create water vapor, heat, and a new atmosphere.
Which will be striped away by the solar wind thanks to having no magnetosphere.

Good job.

Too bad on Veeky Forums the reply expectancy of a thread is inversely proportional to the science literacy and attention span it requires.

No reading the whole post.

Great Job!

There are three reasons, doing that method would keep the "solar winds" from letting the vapor escape into space for them to be "swept away" as you put it.

>setting off an EMP gives a planet with a solid core a stable magnetosphere

What happens when you have a large sphere shaped magnet, and then hold a flame under it's south end?

It explodes and makes me one handed.

Jokes aside, it seems like you're trying to charge the metallic core like a permanent magnet using an EMP, but all planetary magnetospheres are electrically induced and very strong, and permanent magnets would never achieve a sufficient magnetosphere on a planetary scale.

>To create water vapor, heat, and a new atmosphere.
>water vapor
Will just condens and freeze

>heat
Will just radiate out to space

>atmosphere
Out of what?!?

>EMP to make magnetic field

> Atmos is 95% carbon dioxide
> carbon dioxide is 3/4 oxygen by weight

So, this is the power of Russian troll farms?

> capture a new moon

also
> drop off some plants and robots
> go hunting for a source of hydrogen?

EMP kickstarting the magnetic field is bollocks.
Geothermal activity won't create a magnetic field.
There is actually a very viable method where you wouldn't need a magnetic field, but you didn't mention it so I'm just going to assume you don't know about it.

That depends. If the flame is hot enough you could reach the Curie point, where it'll stop being magnetic.
What is your goal?

If a forum admin isn't capable of checking IP addresses to spot the fake accounts all these techniques require, his forum deserves to die.

It's not that an EMP would "kickstart" anything, but a large enough magnetic pulse at the same time, theoretically could connect or switch the poles magnetic alignment. Which, if connected would be continuous.

I think you guys are missing the BIGGEST benefit to all of this.
Motherfucking PARTICLES!
It's not just vapor. It's not just gases. The shit storm of a particle cloud. It would weigh down, block light (and solar winds), and create pressure. The combination of these three things would create a fully enclosed atmosphere locally. The re-ignition of geothermal activity will tie into bringing the planet back to life, but also adding density to the temporary atmosphere created.

>It's not just vapor. It's not just gases. The shit storm of a particle cloud.
>It would weigh down, block light (and solar winds), and create pressure.
>The combination of these three things would create a fully enclosed atmosphere locally.
>The re-ignition of geothermal activity will tie into bringing the planet back to life, but also adding density to the temporary atmosphere created.
Not a single plausible statement. Nothing like these will ever happen.

>friction of the gases
no, motion of the gasses IS heat. Heat is nothing more than chaotic random molecular motion. That motion comes from when an atom absorbs a photon and is sped up. The primary source of heat on Earth and any planet close to a star is photon flux, and the secondary source of heat is from nuclear decay processes of heavy elements. On terrestrial planets far from their stars, or even terrestrial planets with no star, nuclear decay becomes the dominant source of heat, although it's much weaker.

Gas giants on the other hand are different. They have layers within them where the pressure becomes great enough to liquefy helium and neon and other atmospheric gasses. The heat released when that phase change occurs can actually exceed the heat flux they receive from their star. They also have heavy elements decaying in their cores, but this decay heat is less powerful than the heat of formation of liquid helium and neon. For a gas giant close to its star, most of the heat comes from sunlight. A gas giant like Jupiter produces more internal heat due to formation of liquid droplets than through either solar flux or decay heat. Only a very old gas giant very far from any stars would have had enough helium rain out and a small enough solar flux for nuclear decay processes to dominate the heat production pie.

>take millions of years to recover
no, it would recover the moment the solar storm stopped. A magnetosphere is just a magnetic field produced by a big planetary scale magnetic dynamo. The field can be warped and stretched by interactions with other, stronger fields, but as soon as those go away the magnetic field lines go back to their preferred places.

>Which will be striped away by the solar wind thanks to having no magnetosphere.
that takes dozens or hundreds of millions of years. Mars still has atmosphere despite it being buttblasted by solar wind without a magnetic field for billions of years, why would it lose any atmosphere we gave it on anything close to a human time scale?

>>atmosphere
>Out of what?!?
probably out of the trillions and trillions of tons of frozen CO2 in the subsurface layers of regolith all across Mars. If we're talking hitting Mars with asteroids we can also add a few trillion tons of CO2 and nitrogen to the mix, plus whatever gasses are evolved when you atomize a few quadrillion tons of Mars crust via hyper velocity impacts.

Para-terraforming is a better idea anyway.

The burden of proof is in you OP. Otherwise, take all roleplaying threads to /x/

Veeky Forums has already had infiltrators taken on as staff. They usually get ousted fairly quickly.

>Globecuck doesn't like conspiracies, then proceeds to describe a conspiracy theory he believes.

>astrobiologist

Prove to me this isn't a meme field

Phobos will eventually crash into Mars.

by the original definition of meme, all fields are meme fields

>theoretically could connect or switch the poles magnetic alignment. Which, if connected would be continuous.
You're trying to connect something that isn't there.

>It's not just vapor. It's not just gases. The shit storm of a particle cloud. It would weigh down, block light (and solar winds), and create pressure.
What do you think vapor and gases are made up of?
What do you think the solar wind strips the atmosphere of?
Particles.

Your bomb idea is stupid.

These ideas for terraforming Mars are not quick. Using a method that'll get buttfucked over the same timescale as the terraforming takes isn't sensible.

those ideas are orders of magnitude faster than atmospheric erosion.

In any case para-terraforming is better anyway. It's nice to be able to live in open spaces after a few years instead of after 5,000, even if those open spaces aren't an entire planet, just big enough to feel like one.

Tell us motto motto OP.

So, this is the power of CIA niggers

You are fucking retarded, like everyone on Veeky Forums

Unlike the Earth, Mars has no inner dynamo to create a major global magnetic field. This, however, does not mean that Mars does not have a magnetosphere; simply that it is less extensive than that of the Earth. The magnetosphere of Mars is far simpler and less extensive than that of the Earth.

What y'all need is an info graphic of Virgin Mars Magnetic Sphere vs the Chad Earth Magnetic Sphere

you are a fuckwit for reasons elaborated on by (though he neglects the heating caused by tidal forces)
it's important also to note that while friction from winds can transfer heat to the surface, those winds are entirely the result of pressure gradients caused by differences in photon flux and albedo (i.e. by insolation). that motion doesn't just come from nowhere.

You guys dismiss the nuclear pole theory way to quickly. There's a huge amount of uncertainty and side effects, that would actually help with terraforming.

That much intense heat and radiation would not just vanish. There is a set amount of time it takes for heat to dissipate. And, with that high of a yield, it would spread out first. Mostly because in technical terms there is no "wind chill" on mars.
Look at the temperature history. Even if half the theory doesn't work, it would increase the heat. That heat would help give weight and pressure to the gases. The heat and the shock might cause volatility in the volcanic and geothermal systems, which could prep them for reigniting some ranges. Again, this is tied to the electromagnetic field. If the crust is active, the magnetic field would be a lot stronger.

Scientific Reports
ISSN 2045-2322 (online)

nature.com/articles/srep04338/figures/1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield#Calculating_yields_and_controversy

I would say, fuck it. It might actually work.