Putting an end to /pol/ flooding in Veeky Forums

Take everything you hear from fitness forums with a grain of salt, everyone there has opinions that are just based on what worked for them. Everyone thinks they have the one true answer to diet and exercise.

And dont take anything the alt-right says seriously, they are science deniers and will always pick and choose facts that fit their narrative.

I don't know much about milk and I don't care enough to personally look into it, but as I said, don't worry about it, it is all very well regulated so I can't imagine there being a significant effect from it with a normal diet.

I have never touched soy products and I'm a gigantic faggot, what more proof do you need?

> It has been debunked countless times on youtube
lmao

What is your source for information on soy? I'm sure you have been combing through multiple studies to make sure you know everything there is to know about this very important subject.

Be honest with yourself, and try writing at least a single full sentence next time.

>YouTube
Doesn't count
Sourced Medical journal or nothing

eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-03/chop-bfs031218.php
sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180312150509.htm
prnewswire.com/news-releases/babies-fed-soy-based-formula-have-changes-in-reproductive-system-tissues-300612626.html

>Babies Fed Soy-Based Formula Have Changes in Reproductive System Tissues
It's over SOY is finished expect less and less soyboys in the coming future
>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18558591
A 60-year-old man was referred to the endocrinology clinic for evaluation of bilateral gynecomastia of 6 months' duration. He reported erectile dysfunction and decreased libido. On further review of systems, he reported no changes in testicular size, no history of testicular trauma, no sexually transmitted diseases, no headaches, no visual changes, and no change in muscular mass or strength. Initial laboratory assessment showed estrone and estradiol concentrations to be 4-fold increased above the upper limit of the reference range. Subsequent findings from testicular ultrasonography; computed tomography of the chest, abdomen, and pelvis; and positron emission tomography were normal. Because of the normal findings from the imaging evaluation, the patient was interviewed again, and he described a daily intake of 3 quarts of soy milk.

nutritionjrnl.com/article/S0899-9007(10)00359-X/fulltext
full sexual function was regained 1 y after cessation of the vegan diet. This case indicates that soy product consumption is related to hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction.

One question remains are soy boys even human? I mean now we got scientific proof that they are degenerated soy abominations that's plain fact now

What if a YouTube video cites and summarize a study, and how it relates to the subject? Everyone uses second hand sources for information, because no one has the time research and go through study's on everything them self. I'ts not like you do it either. Especially dumb shit like this.

Just be critical of your sources and make sure it links back to relevant sources that says what they claim they say.

/pol/ has been flooding Veeky Forums as well.

>What if a YouTube video cites and summarize a study, and how it relates to the subject?
What if monkeys fly out my anus? While I'm sure a couple of times in the history of YouTube a study has been cited and properly represented in a video, 99.999... percent of the time the video is more full of shit than a constipated hippo.

eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-03/chop-bfs031218.php
sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180312150509.htm
prnewswire.com/news-releases/babies-fed-soy-based-formula-have-changes-in-reproductive-system-tissues-300612626.html
Are you a baby? There are tons of shit babys should't eat/drink, that doesn't mean it has similar effects on children or adults.

nutritionjrnl.com/article/S0899-9007(10)00359-X/fulltext
This is a case about a single diabetic man that had a hard time getting it up while he was on a vegan diet. How is this proof of anything?

I guess you win the argument then because you watch shitty youtube video's. Good job man.

>states why YouTube is a poor source
>yeah man, you watch YouTube, guess you win
Do you understand what reading comprehension is? If you were trying to use sarcasm, it's still necessary to understabd the point you're mocking so you don't accidentally mock the opposite.

By this logic the internet in't an acceptable source. Fucking hell how dense and disingenuous are you.
You can't say everything on a platform is automatically bad just because there is misinformation there. Fuck off.

I think the point is that if you cite a youtube video instead of the paper that the video draws from you are just adding another layer of bullshit on top of the abstract. How does anyone know if the youtuber actually even read the paper or knows how to add two numbers together.

Good post. 100% REAL NEWS

just go keto, get 10 cups of leafy greens and cruciferous veggies a day (each cheese with your greens!), and drink almond or coconut milk (unsweetened) instead of dairy or soy. It's literally that simple. Get grass-fed ground beef. Take it easy on the bacon. Don't skimp on the butter, olive oil, or coconut oil. Drink lemon water instead of coffee. Peanuts and macadamia nuts for snacks. Beans are ok at the end of a meal but only like two tablespoons not a fucking pot of chili. Unless you're a body builder or work in construction you only need like 4-8 ounces of protein a day and never more than 4 at one sitting. The 100g of protein meme is totally retarded. Most of us sit on our ass at work or sit on our ass at school.

>no diabetes because carbs are gone
>less risk of cancer because most non-brain tumors rely on glucose which is not in the blood
>no manboobs because few estrogens and xenoestrogens
>T levels normal for your body
>liver function is optimal
>constant fat burning mode because your liver isn't in overdrive trying to save your kidneys by releasing insulin, allowing ketosis
don't forget to walk about 1.5-3 hours a week minimum

soy, milk, and fast-digesting carbs are anti-male

>I want to boost my metabolism
eat your calories between 12PM and 8PM strictly, it doesn't matter when if you eat in this window. Two to three meals is fine. Your first meal should be some greens and fats, no proteins, not even shitty fucking pea protein shakes. Take some fucking kale, lemon juice or apple cider vinegar, a little ginger, coconut oil, and blend the fuck out of it.

there, in 6 months you'll be a decent human being

if you already have manboobs there's little hope, sorry soyboy take it up with your parents oh wait you probably only have a single mom instead of a father

phytoestrogens are SHIT estrogens when it comes to bioactivity. you have to take megadoses daily for years to see effects. casual consumption won't do shit to you

Got any sources for this?

What are you willing to count a source, given that the entire pro-carb diet was pushed on us without any sources?

>What are you willing to count a source
Any credible scientific or medical literature you dipshit

>the pro-carb diet was pushed on us
By who, our neolithic ancestors?

The internet isn't an acceptable source on its own. The internet is a transportation mechanism, not a source. A research study is a source. It can be delivered by the internet... so can the random rantings of a mentally unstable rainbow haired activist. Just because something is on the internet doesn't make it true. The internet is simply a delivery mechanism and is not relevant to determining the accuracy of information.

>By who, our neolithic ancestors?
Ancel Keys, Eisenhower, the FDA, USDA, etc.

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>Any credible scientific or medical literature you dipshit
sure I'll just dig up those studies funded by pharmaceutical companies, corn associations, and monsanto

I didn't know those guys were around in ancient times when people began eating grain-based diets

>still doesn't post sources for his claims
>instead harps about le ebul bogeymen
My willingness to accept your ideas is running short. Post evidence to support your assertions or GTFO.

>when people began eating grain-based diets
you mean when people's average health went way the fuck down must be a coincidence

Why did dental health go to shit when humans adopted grain based agriculture?

Veeky Forums is just the /pol/ IQ and Conspiracy Research and Development Labs now. No point in asking here.

It's not a conspiracy when they do it out in the open.

I have an hypotesis:

Soy itself does not cause estrogen increase, but to drink soylet instead of eating a meal you dont need to chew.

So maybe, chewing is part of a complex biological feedback loop and the lack of it makes hormonal imbalances.

Here comes the /pol/ boogyman to spread shitty memes and tell you facts and dumb ass opinions. Ohhh really scary. They are just like any other shitposter except they point out everything else is getting politicized in media and what not and chucklenuts freak out saying why are you bringing in politics in something that already has a political agenda.

journals.aace.com/doi/abs/10.4158/EP.14.4.415?code=aace-site
health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/confused-about-eating-soy
scientificamerican.com/article/soybean-fertility-hormone-isoflavones-genistein/
americannutritionassociation.org/newsletter/whole-soy-story
Soy is currently considered safe in
moderation but there's possibility of lasting harm if ingested in huge amounts regularly, while the reaction is weak human body does reacts to soy compounds in similar way it reacts to estrogen, some recorded cases of unrestrained ingestion of soy products actually shows feminization and sexual dysfunction in males which may be the source of soyboys meme thing, if you are not an soy maniac you may actually find its anti-nutrient proprieties the actual deal breaker for unfermented soy products.

>Does dairy consumption lower your testosteron?
Dairy has animal estrogen. Far more feminizing than phyto-estrogen ever will be.

Almost as if farm labor is incredibly physically taxing, and that humans hadn't had 8,000 years of evolution to adapt to eating grain yet. You're moving the goalposts, regardless. I ask for sources to back up the many, many claims you make here , and you call grain a conspiracy out of fucking nowhere. What the fuck, nigger? Carbs are like 1/50th of your post, but you're using them to deflect all criticism. I ask again and you keep harping about 'muh 20th century conspiracy' when people have been eating grains for thousands of years.

The only reason you'd be trying to deflect this hard is if that post is utter bullshit that you just made up out of nowhere. You're on the same level as the fucking antivaxxers and creationists.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Dental health went to shit in 8,000 BC because the Eisenhower and the FDA convinced ancient people to eat bread? Are you fucking mental? Why do you think I'm arguing that agricultural societies are healthier than foraging societies?

While milk does have actual estrogen it also contains testosterone and compounds that stimulates testosterone production.

Really good so far, this ended like every soythread ever, meaning without any results

I never cited a YT video as a source. I suggested that there are easily digestable sources on this topic already. This argument has nothing to do with what started this anymore.

What you are saying is exactly my point from the beginning and even in the post you are quoting. Did you really have to dumb it down further?
>The internet is a transportation mechanism
Wow, Thanks for explaing this to us, now i finally underatand! Jesus Christ.

>I have never touched soy products
are you a fucking hermit? how the hell do you go without any soy? no bread, no processed meat, no fast food, no sweats, no biscuits, no mass produces dairy products, no vegan food, how the hell do you do it?

Soy does have an effect on the male endocrine system, but it’s very small and many soy products don’t actually do anything as they’ve been treated. The soyboy meme is still hilarious because it gets under the skin of people.

Take 24 hours off. Leave the house, hang out with your friends (if you manage to have any that can tolerate your personality), eat some food, get some exercise and then come back and read this thread again. If yoh have an ounce of self awareness you'll end up apologizing for exposing everyone to your raging inferiority complex. When is the last time you've admitted fault for anything in your life? Bet it's been years. You're whining with no coherent argument anywhere to be found because instead of spending a few seconds on introspection you instead constantly double down to protect your ego.

Projecting this hard.

> no coherent argument anywhere to be found
Youtube is like a vehicle for information. Broom broom! The car goes.
I hope this is more on your level.

I really can't help you if you still don't understand, and I have clearly been wasting time on someone without any form of cognition or reading comprehension.

>believing what a black guy told you on a Eskimo spear fishing forum subreddit

Milk is shit as a drink in general.

I've had a few arguments with vegans about this in my time. Generally, the verdict about soy acting as estrogen is that it does not. However, the compounds in soy like genistein or estriol can inhibit testosterone.

>taking advice from someone who drinks enough shit to refer to it as a comparison

More interested in the scientific explanation for why so many effeminate men make this expression when they take a picture of themselves.

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That would be a question for sociology, which isn't science.

Because they are exaggerating their excitement at small relatively mundane things for comedic effect.

someone told them they should be taking pics that way because of some stupid reasons

Where that explanation someone gave, that it's a fear scowl?

cause and effect is reversed, soy doesn't make you an effeminate faggot its just that effeminate faggots are the type of people who are attracted to veganism and shit like that

American "comedies" have taught these men for years that this is the face you make when you're excited. It's quite literally the "awesome face" of mid 2000s.

I find sad that most of the people that post about soyboys (and are quite obsessed with the whole thing, at least on Veeky Forums) do it as a sort of declaration of their own "manliness". Like if all the poltards who have daily threads about these faggots go hunt their own meat, or at least do something that involves getting out of mom's basement.

i drink milk everyday in large quantities and this has never happened to me. I might have slight boob curvature on my chest (probably from not working out in a while) but my testicles are pretty big and i haven't been diagnosed with cancer yet.

Becaquse they want approval
Same reason /pol/tards voice their opinions on /pol/, because they are desperat for approval to their delusions

what's your dick size?

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a lot of blacks are lactose intolerant by the way

That's retarded evo-psych peddled by hucksters.

If White men drinking milk makes them into feminine faglords then what does drinking milk do to Asian men.

I’m SEA so I’m not full eastern Chinkoid but currently 6’2. Been drinking milk since kid almost like a second water

It's spring break and I am too lazy to pull up the exact academic journal articles from my uni VPN but hbomberguy (when he is not being a filthy socialist) made a good video about it which references many of the studies I came across when I was looking into it for shits and giggles. Just drop this link in an unironic soy hate thread and bask in the free (you)s.

And remember, if it isn't an academic journal it's not a real source. This video is not a real source but it is a good summary of the research on this subject and it does have all the citations available.

youtu.be/C8dfiDeJeDU

Soy doesn't make you a woman, plastics probably do interfere a lot with the endocrine system though. Jesse Cox is a retarded faggot either way however.

Because Jesse hasn't been happy for a decade at least and can only fake smile.

It's pants on head retarded pol meme. The fact that people actually believe that phythoestrogens are responsible for an epidemic of numales is the most autistically retarded shit in existance. The amount of phytoestrogens that you would need to consume to have estrogen levels comparable to a women would be so high that your liver would fail long before you could consume enough, not only that but there wouldn't be many feminizing effects in men anyway because soy doesn't have any significant antiandrogen properities

As always, pol has no idea what they're talking about.

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SOY SHAKES?

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This.
also
>A study may indicate that drinking three fucking liters of soy milk a day has some effects on your organism
>obese basement dwellers instantly attribute their manboobs to trace amounts of soy found in processed food such as the 20 burgers they eat every day to sustain their weight

There are probably individuals like that but I see it rarely, it's absolutely not what the the issue is. Most who get called soyboy get the label because they seem unmanly and when you call them a soyboy you're just saying that he's probably like that because of the soy.
You're completely wrong about this discussion so you've either not lurked enough or not comprehended enough.

There's no medical science consensus about soy making you girly on the first few pages of Google so the soyboy meme hasn't been proven like that.
Since there's a lack of good evidence we can either use stuff like YouTube videos or just say that the burden of proof lies with the ones saying that it's true and until then it's just a meme.
The latter option isn't how internet forums generally work.

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there are worse threats than soy out there. unskimmed or semi skimmed milk is fucking loaded with mammalian estrogen- infinitely worse than phytoestrogens.

>Dairy gives cancer and shrinks test
What? I drink a shit ton of milk, my testicles are all right and I don't have boobs. Also my dick is way above average. I call bullshit.

I don't know if I don't have cancer though.

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Long story soy begin very popular on process food to make it cheap as vegetal oil

stop eating soy you fucking numale cuck

When asian men drink milk they end up genociding baghdad.

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>listening to /pol/ ever