Was pi invented or discovered?

Was pi invented or discovered?

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All numbers are invented. The number pi's significance was discovered

>All numbers are invented.

There is one apple on the table.
Did I just invent the number one?

>alternatively:
the sky is blue
did I just invent the color blue?

No, that number was already invented

math itself was discovered
our understanding of it was invented

the tools of mathematics are invented. what can be done with them is discovered. so you invent some shit like circle-based math, then discover later all the ways that it's significant. obviously, any accurate value for pi had to be discovered based on the tools that examine circumference and radius.

colours are discovered
our understanding of it was invented
blue is our understanding of a specific wavelenght, blue was invented, the wavelenght was discovered.

Discovered. The name for it was invented.

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pi was invented while the function pi serves was discovered

Of course the name was invented you dumbfucks. We are talking about the number of, not it's name

it was discovered in ur mum's butthole

number was invented

wrong

How do you discover numbers? Where do you find them?

everywhere around you

"One apple" is not the same as "one"

Anything created by humans that does not exist prior to humans is an invention. Numbers are not created by humans, and they exist without us.

Give a specific exampleq

How do numbers exist prior to humans?

Try to invent a number that wasn't invented yet.

Humans are anatomical representations of mathematical truths. The golden ratio, for example, occurs in humans as well as many other life forms. Had we not been formed mathematically, we would not find mathematics in our own bodies.

your fingers

>Try to invent a number that wasn't invented yet.

ξ is a number who's value is the number of posts on Veeky Forums asking if Pi is invented or discovered divided by Pi

The golden ratio is not a number, neither are your fingers

That's a natural number, one of the first numbers to be invented

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Humans did not form themselves.
Humans contain mathematical truths.
Therefore, humans did not form mathematical truths.

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Most people in this thread agree that:
>the idea behind a number is discovered
>the word/language used to describe the idea is invented

So if the idea of the number 1 already existed before the 1st human ever thought about it. That means ideas/thoughts can exist without humans around to think about them. But can an idea exist without any conscious mind to think about it?

All ideas are possible because of God. He is the eternal conscious mind which creates our reality. No God = no ideas.

No, but if you're the first to think of numbers as something in themselves as opposed to one apple or two sheep, then you invented a new concept.

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math is not the same as numbers
math was discovered
numbers are invented

numbers are our concept to describe math

aliens could have invented another concept of math without numbers

All math is invented.

It has no real world function because it does not exist in the real world, because there are no perfect circles in the real world. Thus, it was invented.

>aliens could have invented another concept of math without numbers
>Aliens invented algebra

You heard it here first.

oh come on
now you playing the retard

>it does not exist in the real world

How about the number zero? You could say it doesn't exist in the real world yet everything that doesn't exist is zero/null. Does zero exist in the real world, or doesn't it?

There doesn't need to be a perfect circle in the real world for the concept of a perfect circle and its properties to be discovered. You can discover abstractions e.g. your center of gravity or the eye of a storm don't "exist" in the real world either, but you can discover these abstractions due to the stuff that does exist giving off the appearance of abatract things that don't literally exist.
A lot of negative forms work the same way e.g. coldness or darkness, neither of which exist in the real world and both of which are abstractions of the absence of things that do exist (heated matter and light).
Being abstract isn't the same as being invented. In fact the whole point of "abstract" as a word is it means:
-stract : Take
ab- : From
Abstractions are ultimately derived from real world phenomena even though they don't literally exist as real world phenomena in themselves.

invented, but discovered; cause everything is a circle. also found in energy levels of a hydrogen atom among many places.

what is pi ÷ pi??? I bet u never thought about that huh

i bet its some new transindentist number that can solve like FTL space travel or something. U never kno

-john

Like all math, it was discovered. Anyone who says different is wrong. I am right.

>natural number
How dense you are?

Who has this answer to convert the hypotenuse drawn to the arc shown? Filled area shows known.

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It exists innately in nature - numbers, irrational and rational, are just ways for people to describe what that is using our own medium for data collection and sharing (brain/computer -> language)

All numbers were created by God. There are so many numbers that we haven't even discovered them all.

It was clearly a discovery, for all you know the relation between a circle's radius and its circumference could've been a more complicated function than just multiplication by a constant