How long until scientists can gene edit intelligence into people?

>It's wrong because of my ideology

>intelligence has no basis in genetics

>intelligence cannot be genetics-related because /pol/tards say it is

The saddest thing is that many cultures such as French or Sweden don't even believe in intelligence or being smart. I've given a french person the compliment of being intelligent and they replied intelligence doesn't exist.

>Therefore, all frenchmen must think like that
Also, different cultures are wrong about different things all the time.

>an entire nation of ignorant ideologues
very very grim.
how can you live your entire life and deny the fact that some people are smarter/more clever/quicker? further still, how can you live in a country with books and believe that there are no people in history that are smarter than the average person? is it worse than this?

>How long until scientists can gene edit intelligence into people?
it's called sperm, op

It's quite easy to be delusional. I think the myth of the supreme correctness of university and scientists is to blame. Arriving at university and being asked to write on essay on why intelligence is a myth or the right answer on the quiz being everyone is equal except through oppression.

>How long until scientists can gene edit intelligence into people?
That's stupid.
Obviously the real application of interest here is making all future humans as retarded as possible while still being able to serve you with menial labor.

Yes, a manual laborer is so worthwhile as compared to a scientist or engineer.

How many scientists and engineers do you really need?

would you rather live in india or europe?

Smart people are better at menial labour than dumb people, and robots will take it over anyway

Only a fucking retard would mess with those genes
Screwing around for some essentially immeasurable result will get us nowhere
>inb4 buh muh eye quew
An IQ test is basically analogous to measuring atomic mass with a grocery store scale

>Smart people are better at menial labour than dumb people
That's not true. Being a genius isn't going to make you a better McDonald's employee. At best it won't make things worse, but more likely it'll get in the way because you'll be overthinking instead of just mindlessly doing. Performance in general is better with conscious thought kept to a minimum, e.g. you don't want to be thinking about what you're doing with your hands while playing a musical instrument in public. That stuff's better handled through mindless muscle memory.

Well, you've clearly been wrong about that compliment.

>An IQ test is basically analogous to measuring atomic mass with a grocery store scale
Yup, IQ is meaningless, that's why you can accurately map it to differences in brain structure like amount of grey matter, amount of myelination, number of connections in certain areas, and overall size.

>At best it won't make things worse, but more likely it'll get in the way because you'll be overthinking instead of just mindlessly doing
It'll get in the way less than being too retarded to figure out how to do it in the first place.
I worked in a warehouse with a guy who had a double major in biochemistry and psychology (he couldn't get a job in either those fields because he'd made explosives to sell to farmers as a teen and had drug and assault convictions) and he was easily one of the most efficient workers there, while the dumbest people were the least. Under communism smart people were perfecting happy doing menial labour while reading/writing in their spare time (Flake from Rammstein talks about this) and Stephen Langan had no trouble working menial jobs.

McDonald's is actually beyond the ability of a lot of people, it's not as simple as it's made out to be.

It's not about that, life is generally more fulfilling the smarter you are.

We're nowhere near being able to re-jigger people. Organic life wasn't "designed" to allow one function to be altered without causing (probably) unfavorable changes elsewhere.
To use a programming analogy, "we're patches on patches on patches". A billion or more years of trial-and-error and the original documentation is long gone.

Besides, IF the day ever comes when they can turn a IQ-90 person into an IQ-120, then the people who were born IQ-120 will be raised to 150 or so and the poor sods at the bottom will be no better off -- except they'll now be smart enough to realized they're no better off.

>the poor sods at the bottom will be no better off
They'll be less predisposed to crime at least

Maybe.
Read Poul Anderson's "Brain Wave".
Old habits will persist, at least for a while. Intelligence doesn't instantly alter emotional makeup.

Let me put it this way: The skill set required for doing a good job at McDonalds isn't the same skill set required to have the mathematical resume of Kurt Gödel.
For one thing a lot of smart people are spatially retarded. "Absent minded professor" is a trope for a reason. Abstract proficiency and concrete proficiency are to some extent at odds with one another. The more you sink into an abstraction K-Hole the more detached you become from the physical world around you. Programmers with terrible hygiene also comes to mind as an example of this principle in action.

the skill set required for doing a good job at mcdonalds is:
>give half a shit
>don't be genuinely retarded

Depends on what part of Europe VS what part of India.

even if they do edit it into your genome you will still be as retarded as you were before
you need to edit the genome before development and pubery

it's theoretically possible to induce a plastic state where the brain can morph into the more intelligent layout though
but structural changes are much more difficult than basic gene expression

You'll always be a brainlet but your kids might not be. If you're on Veeky Forums it's not like you'll have kids anyway.

Would it make enough of a difference? You need to put effort in to learn things anyway.
It's no free ride.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS

The point is a highly intelligent society is better than a slave-caste one. Dumb worker bees are not as useful as smart self-interested workers.

It's pretty common. It was some weird bullshit explanation about how intelligence or smart is just a social construct yada yada yada

You think highly paid wage-slaves are still not wage slaves? No man who has to work for another man to support himself is a free man. The problem with society now is that most people are no longer small land-holders.

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/pol/ has the higest IQ

bump

Never. The idea that genetics is some find of innate immutable stat like a dungeons and dragons character sheet is laughable. Genetics does not determine what you do with your spare time and how you develop as a person. It's also not like there are suddenly new genes for intelligence that weren't around 2,000 years ago, and yet humans have advanced plenty.

No they don't. Such groups attract the bottom levels of society. People that feel like the world is a conspiracy against them. Racism, for example, only appeals to people who are not intelligent and who are looking for a group that will make them feel accepted and smart simply based on their skin color.

what a fucking moron

racism against generally low IQ populations is fairly acceptable. Look at 2nd/3rd generation immigrant employment levels in Sweden. Not to mention bringing along culture that survived in a low IQ environment.

to elaborate

Let's take the example of where you say the fault is in their culture and not in genetics. Are these immigrants then "saved" from this bad culture by not being allowed to grow up Islamic?

In both cases you have the infusion of genetics and foreign culture. If it was simply environment then the low employment rate and higher crime would then rationally be solved by separating them from their homeland's culture. Which is also not being done.

So on both vectors, environment and genetic neither are being solved for or "fixed" in any meaningful way. It's simply nonsensical from any angle you look at it.

Glad I don't have to be surrounded by people like pic related.
Being a small land holder will continue to get harder in the US with the artificial rise in population due to immigration even though we don't have a labor shortage of any kind. Property taxes also need to go.

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>skin color

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I like to imagine genetics are the foundation, and nurture is the structure being built on top of the foundation. The foundation determines the structure, and any flaw in the foundation will manifest itself throughout the structure.

Nature modifies nurture. Nurture doesn't modify nature.

There are so many genes controlling intelligence it's not worth trying. Seriously, the list is probably pushing a thousand genes and we still can't explain even half of intelligence. You'd be far better just looking for two people with an ideal complementary gene set and mating them.

your entire post is false and stupid. Smart people have already put together predictive models that show the required sample size and algorithms to get good prediction.

Why simply say "It's hard" without mathematical evidence when the other side already is proceeding at reliable exponential gains in the area. The fact is you are just wrong and being proven more wrong every year.

It's about 10,000, but you only need to change 100 of them to make someone have say an 160+ IQ

Your going to mess with a gene or something and cause mass autism. or maybe that's what the government already did in secret?

Intelligence is not as a property, objective. It's more a descriptor for multiple traits both biological and learned.

Knowledge gathering and labor compensates for intelligence in most fields anyways- we just call such devotees smart. There is no caste system at play and human brains aren't fixed in place. It is a comforting thought for some that birthright matters most, but alas, that is not the case. You are not inevitably handed anything in life (even if a few manage to be lucky).

Nothing about your post is true. Just look at a similar thread that was posted last week, about that months old result of finding 500 genes that in total explained 7% of intelligence.

Or just make a nervous anti-social wreck that can't make friends.

No, emotional intelligence you idiot.

Wrong

>Knowledge gathering and labor compensates for intelligence in most fields anyways- we just call such devotees smart.
In a STEM-field, "knowledge gathering and labor" will net you a passing grade at most, but truly understanding the concepts at hand is reserved for the more gifted students. I can attest to this as a student of civil engineering.
> There is no caste system at play and human brains aren't fixed in place.
The scientific consensus says the opposite.
> It is a comforting thought for some that birthright matters most, but alas, that is not the case.
Birthright matters in every field that requires an objectively analytical mind; some people may find a way to create mediocre music, essays or "art", but when the test sheet requires an answer that can only be correct or incorrect, most people fail to get the answer right.

> You are not inevitably handed anything in life (even if a few manage to be lucky).
Intelligence, physical appearance, mental disposition and family wealth are all essential parts of great success in life, and every single one of them lie beyond your control.

You can't alter an organism once the phenotype is complete. We learned that from tampering with post production Nexus 6s. Your best bet would be a brain implant. You can store a whopping 80 gigabytes of data! Or if you get a software upgrade (available at any corner store) 160 gigabytes!
youtu.be/pBSR3DyobIY

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He meant that intelligence does not exist within you

Ive read that removing mutations would be a safer alternative but a lot harder to do.

>Genetics does not determine what you do with your spare time
Actually it does, the type of activity one engages on their free time is mostly based on personality traits and we know that personality is inherited and we also know that intelligence is also highly correlated with success, mainstream scientific consensus is that IQ is inherited too but personality may play bigger role in success than intelligence probably marginally but looks like there's no mistake .
>nytimes.com/1986/12/02/science/major-personality-study-finds-that-traits-are-mostly-inherited.html
>sciencealert.com/scientists-find-genetic-links-between-personality-traits-and-psychiatric-diseases
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4122539/

That may be the case for humanities.

Brb going to ask Coulomb if Frenchmen don't believe in intelligence.

>Genetics does not determine what you do with your spare time
top fucking kek

Great, when are we going to start making everybody a copy of the same person, then?

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IQ is real.
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>higest

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>I can attest to this as a student of civil engineering.
I can't believe I read all of that for nothing.

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If you don't have high IQ just give up.

heisgestdsbbrsrrrrrrrrrr

;^)

Don't give up, there are plenty of affirmative action jobs out there.

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>le oppressed blond Arab.

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>Don't give up, there are plenty of affirmative action jobs out there.

You spelled it wrong. It's apefirmative action.

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If you want non brainlet sons you simply must seek out the ASHKENAZI PHENOTYPE in your female partner.

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Real Talk this times . Op is a brainlet by decision

You sound like someone who just doesn't want to accept that there is noting special about himself.