Can this be a thing now? There must be some of you on here. Vegetarians and meatcucks not welcome, unless you're seeking advice on making the transition.
>inb4 'lol soyboys': ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224 'The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men.' fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(10)00368-7/abstract 'The intervention data indicate that isoflavones do not exert feminizing effects on men at intake levels equal to and even considerably higher than are typical for Asian males.' ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976 'The present data on men and children indicate that estrogens in milk were absorbed, and gonadotropin secretion was suppressed, followed by a decrease in testosterone secretion. Sexual maturation of prepubertal children could be affected by the ordinary intake of cow milk.'
A couple of things I'm curious about: What are you making for Christmas dinner? How do you deal with having to sit around people eating meat?
>arbitrary restrictions >based on arbitrary distinctions Fuck right off
Christopher Brooks
If I wasn't in a position to hunt, kill and butcher most of my own meat, I might consider vegetarianism because the US meat industry products are pure, adulterated garbage not fit to slop animals. But I'd never give up my backyard chicken eggs or raw dairy, so veganism is out. Plus, I refuse to belong to prosletising cults like the abrahamic religions or vegans.
So what is it that vegans are eating that makes them little stick girls, and why won't they stop?
Asher Fisher
lol soyboys
James Gutierrez
fpbp Fuck off OP, too many good boards have been ruined by generals.
Chase Cook
I’m vegan and trying to start up a vegan restaurant. This is my first time here, and I’m glad to see this thread. I’m a nazi pol fag mainly, but this board seems great!
Zachary Perez
Phytoestrogens and Disease: tinyurl com/hfxu23q Phytoestrogens and Heart Disease: tinyurl com/zg2nh7a Phytoestrogen and Kidney Disease: tinyurl com/jtwyanb High soy can result in 59% less breast cancer study: tinyurl com/j8ywsra Soy yields 13% lower LDL/Bad Cholesterol Study: tinyurl com/hhf4weq Soy and Men Hormones Study: tinyurl com/hsu4wqk Meta-analysis on men, soy and phytoestrogen extracts: tinyurl com/ja5s9k2 30-50% of men get manboobs: tinyurl com/zb58cbs Phytoestrogen content of various foods: tinyurl com/z3kpvsw 220 women over 2 years soy study: tinyurl com/z4tbb7d Meta-analysis on 47 studies no estrogen change: tinyurl com/hsm6ctb Soy being fine for men: tinyurl com/zwddamh
Think of it this way: An estrogen molecule is like a jumbo jet that attaches to the Jetway of an airport. It discharges passengers into the terminal, which is suddenly a busy, noisy place. Phytoestrogens, being weak estrogens, are like small, private planes with few passengers and no cargo, yet they still occupy the Jetway after landing. When phytoestrogens occupy the cell, normal estrogens cannot. Plant estrogens do not eliminate all of estrogen's effects, but they do minimize them, apparently reducing breast cancer risk and menstrual symptoms
What's gonna be on your menu? Give us some chef-tier recipes!
Connor Harris
lol dairyfairies
Ethan Bennett
I have a legit question, I am not trying to be judgmental or anything, just curious....If a product claims it's vegan and claims it tastes like some meat item, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of being vegan? Second question, I personally am a meat eater (dabbles every so often in alt food) and wish to try a newbie vegan dish is stir fry really the best way to intro myself to vegan cooking?
Jack Diaz
>If a product claims it's vegan and claims it tastes like some meat item, doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of being vegan? No. Vegans don't eat animal products because it's immoral, unhealthy, and essentially unnecessary murder. Some people need their meat taste because they are babies who can't live without tasting a certain texture/flavor. Most vegans only eat imitation meat a few times per year. There's no need for it. It's expensive and boring. To turn your question around: If a product claims to use plant products, spices, etc- doesn't that defeat the purpose of not being vegan? >is stir fry really the best way to intro myself to vegan cooking? Every single recipe can be made without animal products. Try hummus.
Jordan Long
I have tried hummus, was ok, prob wouldn't go out of my way to get it again Also spices and such aren't exactly a selling point on that argument, but i do get your point. Also beef wellington cannot be made vegan style, tad of an exaggeration on that bit, still see your point.
relating to a question sorta ignored here, what is your best vegan meal you'd suggest?
Connor Rogers
>"If a product claims to use plant products, spices, etc- doesn't that defeat the purpose of not being vegan?" >As if normal, meat-eating humans are opposed to eating vegetables This was a thing typed by someone who thought it was a stellar point.
Open question: Does veganism affect cognitive function?
Healthier = Smarter So yes, it does. In a positive way. Thanks for asking.
Lincoln Ramirez
you do realize this is just a different wellington style dish? you know, like lobster wellington?
Christopher Allen
To finish answering:
What's your favorite recipes?
Curry, crockpot recipes, rice and beans, buffalo cauliflower, spicy seitan, overnight oats, tofu crumble, pasta, etc. Everything can be made with vegan ingredients.
You're kinda confirming my suspicion about your cognitive function (as well as other's assertions that your diet is a weird religion)
Joshua Harris
vegans should just post in the food gore threads
Luke Gutierrez
>one person dies of veganism makes a solid argument
Nice blog article, kiddo.
Christian Cox
Effects of a long-term vegetarian diet on biomarkers of antioxidant status and cardiovascular disease risk. [Nutrition. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474873
Vegetarian diets and the incidence of cancer in a low-risk population. [Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929
The role of diet and physical activity in breast, colorectal, and prostate cancer survivorship: a review of the literature ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3251953/
An impact of the diet on serum fatty acid and lipid profiles in Polish vegetarian children and children with allergy. [Eur J Clin Nutr. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21048771
Effects of a long-term vegetarian diet on biomarkers of antioxidant status and cardiovascular disease risk. [Nutrition. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474873
Vegetarian diets and the incidence of cancer in a low-risk population. [Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929
Vegan Patrik Baboumian Breaks World Record for Most Weight Ever Carried www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL4lb6IevWw Rates of cancers, especially hormone-dependent cancers such as prostate cancer and breast cancer, are significantly lowered when omitting animal products, like cow's milk, from the diet. Not only that, but plant foods, such as soy and flaxseeds, have protective effects on the body to prevent or reverse the development of these types of cancers.
I know, its hard to bear reading things that burst your bubble.
Very good quote from that, btw: >Indigenous cuisines offer clues about what humans, naturally omnivorous, need to survive, reproduce and grow: >traditional vegetarian diets, as in India, invariably include dairy and eggs for complete protein, essential fats and vitamins. >There are no vegan societies for a simple reason: a vegan diet is not adequate in the long run. Oh snap.
youtube.com/watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM&feature=player_embedded[Open] Celebrated Cornell University professor T. Colin Campbell Phd, presents the overwhelming evidence showing that animal protein is one of the most potent carcinogens people are exposed to.
>wanting to live on this wretched planet for longer than you have to
Leo Kelly
>Eat meat >Increase cancer risk over a 30-year period
>Go vegan >Starve
I think you need to reevaluate what you consider HEALTHY.
Leo Rodriguez
nytimes isn't a source there are zero arguments against veganism keep your face in the dirt if you like
Henry Cox
>thinking vegan only eat lettuce >being retarded pick two
Carson Perez
>Spurging out and posting an avalanche of junk science Yeah, this shit really seems like a cult. Like, a really stupid cult.
Owen Thomas
>junk science Can't handle the facts user? You came to a vegan to claim that countless studies by Ph.Ds and researchers on nih.gov claim junk science? Have you passed highschool yet?
Jonathan Adams
why can't vegans post vegan food that looks good instead of focusing on ethics that nonvegans don't give a fuck about? Oh right, it's because their food sucks.
Julian Cook
Most noodles are vegan, obviously just not egg noodles.
Bentley Thomas
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Blake James
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Camden Edwards
Why doesn't my doctor tell me to go vegan then?
Angel Jones
Its not junk science because its untrue, its junk science because the sheer volume of articles has convinced you that meat gives you cancer, when in reality, the increased risk is minor.
In medicine, you use what's called "Best practice", meaning the thing least likely to kill somebody. SO, you can either have a small increase in cancer risk, or a guarantee of malnutrition.
Protip: The fact that veganism kills babies is telling. It means that your lifestyle only functions by calling up your body's nutrient reserves. Babies don't have that, so they just die.
Tyler Myers
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/ Because your doctor wants to keep you coming to him. That, or his knowledge is from decades ago. Plant-based diets are healthier by a long-shot.
Easton Kelly
oh, so the highly educated doctors that say the thing you agree with are right, but my highly educated doctor who says the thing you disagree with is a quack. Got it.
Colton Lee
Veganism is fit for all stages of life. Prove me wrong. inb4 you post an article about a baby dying because vegan inb4 you can't
Evan Harris
>Prove me wrong >Except that proof you already showed me, which doesn't count Lol, this faggot.
This is why there aren't vegan generals. You people are retarded snowflakes.
Connor Edwards
Oh, I didn't realize that 14 of the 15 leading causes of death in the US are caused by veganism. Oh wait, right, it's caused by meat and dairy. The 15th being accidental death.
Colton Richardson
babies are pretty much all vegan though. Vegans generally allow breastmilk since it isn't taken by force.
Carter Peterson
There's been vegan general on Veeky Forums for years. But you wouldn't know that, would you? kek
>Vegans have higher testosterone Vegans have higher testosterone because their diet increases sex hormone-binding globulin*
>SHBG was significantly higher in the vegans than in the meat-eaters, leading to a corresponding increase in T in order to main-tain constant levels of FT
So basically a vegan diet raises something that's normally higher in girls and the body has to create more testosterone just to offset this. HMM
Jayden Taylor
I guess I should listen to you, and not my doctor then.
Brayden Bell
Ask your doctor if a plant-based diet is healthier then. See what he says. I doubt you've asked. As for having a practice, I would never alienate someone by forcing them to change their diet unless they were specifically unhealthy.
Camden Myers
>plant-based diet But that's not the same as your vegan religion, is it?
Blake Allen
>meat gives you cancer, when in reality, the increased risk is minor. It was a change from 5% to 5.9% chance of colon cancer if you ate 50g of processed meat every day. They just said that unprocessed meat also probably increases the risk, but they weren't positive. It's possible that the curing process is what increases the risk.
Most people eat too much meat (and sugar) and not enough fruit/veg/whole grains, but that doesn't mean meat is bad all the time in any amount.
I wonder what's going to happen to the vegan movement when cultured/lab-grown meat is available in stores. It's such a fascinating thing. I think if they just shun it, they're going to slowly become more irrelevant.
Eli Nelson
So you're in the omnivore religion?
Lucas Powell
As a whole food vegan, I don't even eat soy once a month because stores don't stock dry soybeans. Asians here prefer to just buy their tofu for $0.95 I guess.
So I usually put chickpeas and yellow peas in my automatic unfiltered soymilk maker instead of paying too much for Bob's Red Mill beans.
Luis Jackson
"Plant-based diet" =/= full vegan. Most Americans would benefit from reducing their meat intake. Doctors will tell you that. But they won't generally tell you to absolutely avoid all animal products for your health, because there's no science to back that up.
Alexander Roberts
Okay OP, riddle me this. I'm recovering from Lyme disease and require about three times as much protein as normal thanks to all that collagen-eating the disease likes to do. Seitan is out of the question and soy does weird shit to me, and there is plenty of evidence out there which suggests I should be eating a paleo diet, not grains and legumes. Also it causes me intense physical pain to avoid animal products, especially if I avoid meat. That being said, I do not enjoy eating animal products and I would very much like to be a vegan. If you have some kind of insight that would actually help, I'll dump you good cat pictures.
Daniel Foster
>drink an extra 1000 calories worth of sugar with soda >get fat >get sick >meat and dairy did this
Elijah Diaz
>t. didn't read the study "This increase is significant but modest (20-30%)"
>Overall, the lifetime risk of someone developing colon cancer is 5%. To put the numbers into perspective, the increased risk from eating the amount of processed meat in the study would raise average lifetime risk to almost 6%.
Robert Richardson
Let me guess, it's that poorly done Austrian study?
*clicks link*
Nope, it's that plain starved baby again.
Camden Nelson
Stick your head in the dirt as much as you like. Science isn't random correlation. Read the studies and come back, rather than >ur wrong and ur studies r wrong
Landon Ramirez
This site doesn't link a reference for that statistic.
Jace Wright
Is semen vegan?
David Taylor
that looks good. Needs more squash to be filling though
James Gutierrez
Yes, unless you obtain it by coercion ;-)
Grayson Nelson
I get that a vegan diet is better for you, but what's the point in living that long if you can't enjoy decent food?
Nathan Price
vegans are static even on Veeky Forums as the most pretentious, condescending, inane cult-esque of faggots
and absolutely nobody is surprised in the slightest
Gabriel Gutierrez
I'm manly for eating meat but also stop hurting my feelings when you criticize my meat-eating.
Hunter Flores
Firstly, basing your entire life off of taste will lead to a sad existence. Secondly, learning to cook with vegan food will give you a better experience with food in my opinion. Vegan foods have just as much taste, if not more, than nonvegan food. Meat really doesn't taste very good without spices, cooking techniques, and additives.
Joseph Taylor
>Vegan foods have just as much taste, if not more, than nonvegan food.
>remove dozens of ingredients >somehow you now have more flavors ok
Bentley Gutierrez
Try eating meat without vegan foods. K. Meat tastes like stale garbage without spices, flavoring, and cooking.
Oh nooo, I can't use cow puss and dead bodies to make my food. How will it ever taste better...
Nolan Johnson
>Meat tastes like stale garbage without spices, flavoring, and cooking. Not really, I've had some fresh high quality beef that smelled appetizing enough to make me want to eat it raw. Almost smelled sweet.
It's not like if you roll a whole cabbage in front of someone, that it'll look incredibly appetizing and taste amazing. But if you chop it up and steam it, add some salt and vinegar, it's pretty nice.
We weren't talking about taste preferences anyway, just that an omnivore can eat all vegan ingredients but a vegan can't eat all omnivore ingredients, so you literally cannot say that vegan food has more flavor since you're removing a lot of possible ingredients.
Dominic Evans
Most omnivores will literally cry if their food doesn't have carcass in it. I would say 90% of my omnivore friends won't touch a vegan dish. They won't even try soy milk or vegan cheese without crying like a bitch.
Kevin Smith
I eat meat but I don't really like when the vegetable side dishes all have bacon in them. I agree that it's a little silly that people think vegetables without meat is inedible. I've wanted to try some vegan cheese that is made from nuts. Not as a replacement but it sounds like it might be good as its own thing.
Anthony Morales
Animals aren't people lol
Jackson Jones
hey man im not OP but i am a vegan and i dont mind talking about this. Generally you won't need more like 40g of protein a day if you are recovering from a normal disease (due to mostly staying in bed/resting = less muscle usage = less protein needed. ) however as you stated you have Lyme disease, so a daily intake of 150g of protein would be best for you, spread out within 3/5 meals as to not put constant strain on your liver. Oats for breakfast, along with almonds for essential fats would be good, and whatever else you wanted in there berries/banana etc. i would also recommend coconut water based smoothies as to keep you vitalised from the sweating of toxins your body should currently be undertaking. For lunch and/or dinner having peanut butter based dishes would be pretty good for you as the fat and protein is really good from those sources, so a peanut curry with nuts in it, spinach etc whatever you want because its a curry, and protein bars for lunch if you REALLY need to hit the 3x rdi you say you do, but i dont know anything about lymes disease so i cant comment on it, i just know guys with standard exercise patterns, without muscle training/exertion, need around 40-60g of protein a day to maintain muscle mass. go vegan woohoo!!!
Daniel Smith
I turned vegan a little while back, I still consume small amounts of animal products here and there but my diet is primarily vegan. Only do it for health reasons, don't give a fuck about the animals.
I think vegans are fags.
Eli Hill
youtube.com/watch?v=XGDf7VGuUhQ are cauliflower wings actually any good, because i can only imagine them being dry and crumbly
Brayden Baker
That's sort of a lazy version of Gobi Manchurian. I make wings with broccoli which is better and cheaper, and substitute peanut butter for oil.
Mason Moore
>tfw vegetarian >want to go vegan but love muenster cheese too much
Lincoln Howard
My favorite vegan dish is foie gras
Angel Mitchell
You need to go to confession thread,not here
Jaxon Anderson
>I turned vegan Why? You can have a minimally-animal-based diet and not call yourself a vegan. I'm pretty much a habitual vegetarian and eat meat once or twice a week tops, but I don't really care for "vegetarian cuisine." Hell, if you're doing it for health reasons and not ideological reasons you have even less reason. No need to restrict your diet unless you have to do it for specifc medical reasons. Just eat what you like, dude. Your diet's not going to change the world.
Owen Scott
>cauliflower wings it's just battered cauliflower with buffalo sauce man why would you name something after a cut of meat if it's just battered vegetables
Jose Thomas
its pretty nihilist and copout if you just go "oh well me changing can't achieve anything"
i felt the exact same when going vegan that i'd have to give up canembert and aged cheddar, but really there are vegan substitutes for most if you really want the cheese
Landon Morris
It's not a copout if it's true. Demand does not affect supply in our society. If you don't buy it somebody else probably will, and it's cheaper to trick people into doing so than finding something new to produce. Dietary changes have no impact on the greater market. If you sincerely believe that, lying on your deathbed, you'll be glad for having chosen this lifestyle, more power to you, but if knowing that changing their diet won't change anything else dissuades someone from removing a part of their diet they like then there's no reason for them to do that. Unless of course they find some other reason to quit eating it. Life is too short to deal in absolutes. Do what makes you happy.
Aiden Kelly
My partner decided he wanted to change his diet to lose weight, I'm supporting him by tagging along. We decided to eliminate meat and milk from our diet, and we're reducing our intake of aged cheese, farm eggs, ghee, and bread. I've also been reducing my intake of processed sugar. Been eating more seeds, grains, and starches, which have really been helping me to feel full for more than two hours.
I like to cook enough grains and yams on the weekend to last me through the week, japanese yams are my favorite. I also enjoy buying a bunch of different colored veggies, chopping them all up, and having them ready to toss into the steamer when I'm hungry. I give kale a head start, I steam it for 10 min before adding the rest of my veggies. Been eating a lot of purple cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, and squash. I typically toss my veggies with 1/4 cup of cooked quinoa, couscous, or rice. I top it off with a little bit of aged cheese, a drizzle of tahini, and a sprinkle of pumpkin seeds for crunch.
For dinner, I've been making a salad with sprouts, bitter greens, and red leaf or butter lettuce. I like to add thinly sliced radishes and asian cucumber, diced heirloom tomato and avocado, shredded carrot and beet, tossed with tahini. Nuts, seeds, cheese, and croutons are optional for some crunchies, but it's also good without.
I used to drink a lot of coffee with cream, I switched over to drinking tea. I typically drink oolong in the morning and peppermint after meals. Agave sweetener is optional. I typically feel gassy in the afternoon after eating veggies for lunch, but peppermint tea seems to help with that.
Hunter Stewart
I've discovered that if you make fried onion soymilk bechamel (basically unblended soubise) and substitute flour for tapioca starch, seasoning with stuff like lactic acid powder, fresh lemon juice, minced garlic, white pepper, miso paste, salt, and seasonings, you can make a very stretchy/gooey cheese sauce type thing for when you want to get back to your midwestern roots and have a solid mass of cheesy pasta
Pic related
Nicholas Brown
Another thing I've discovered - the wonders of Okara! Pic related, biproduct from some fresh soy-milk I made the other day
Brody Morales
I took the okara and added in cabbage, onion, celery, and carrot, pic related.
Camden Price
Then I added in some ground wakame seaweed, dijon mustard, old bay seasoning, miso paste, white pepper, and a whipped cooked potato with some oats as a binder, and made these crab cake type things in the oven
Zachary Miller
Made a giant one, worked p good in a sandwich
Ian Hill
Still, I think fried/steamed glazed tempeh works better for sandwiches
