Greeks BTFO

>The author is a sophomore in Columbia College majoring in economics and creative writing

I've seen only a handful of harder science majors appreciate the subtler philosophic points at a young age. Something about math breeds arrogance, a certitude that you've seen the bones of the universe and everything else is just fat.

What a fucking idiot. I hope he looks back at this article ten years from now and winces in shame at his pretentious stupidity.

I love the Plato was an idiot meme. Does anyone have the screenshot of the goodreads review of The Republic (I think)?

Most people in thos fields tend to ridicule philosophy as they consider it useless. It's just egoism.

Thank you, user. Also, holy fucking shit.

>economics
>hard science
lul economists are fucking clowns.

>Plato, were he to read this, would say I’m wrong. He’d harp on about reading books for the sake of reading books, and probably throw in something about how calling the Core useless means I’ve missed the point of education. But Plato was also a man who believed it was right for a small group to determine what the point of everyone else’s lives were, and that it was permissible for him to label those who disagreed with him unfit to even think.
Maybe just maybe that Plato called it a dialogue because he wanted his students to argue about things. It's not like Plato ended his philosophizing at the Republic either his most complex stuff comes after.

This is why I don't go to college.

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It might be true that most STEM majors believe that philosophy is useless, but that is only because they, correctly, see that the vast majority of philosophy is fake.

Studying the higher levels of math and philosophy, you eventually realize that all math is simple and it's actually the real world that is complicated. Also, the only way we may understand the real world is in terms of mathematical reasoning which will always be incomplete. Let that sink in for a minute.

>He’d harp on about reading books for the sake of reading books
Since when does Plato approve this much of writing lmfao

How can philosophy be "fake" when it is such a intagible concept in the first place? People are obsessed with the truth, and yet when they study the art which allows them to discern it in a more scientific way, they reason that alternative ways of arguing are useless.
How can a mathematician argue about the meaning of life (for example) by only using math? You need philosophy for some matters, even if you don't like it. I don't like math but I do accept its importance.
And no, I don't think that's their reasoning. They just consider it worthless without ever reading anything on the subject (this is what I have gathered from all those years of arguing about the subject in university).

>Since when does Plato approve this much of writing lmfao
Proof that she never even bothered to read deeper, Plato hated writing.

>smart
Does Mr. Vera even know what Philosophy means?

Not to mention how much of the Republic is Plato ranting against the canonical texts of the poets and their use in education, i.e. agreeing with this retard more than either would ever be comfortable with.

This is depressing.

I need a drink.

The best part is he probably didn't even consider the meaning of it. Just thinks it is intuitive.

Plato
>hurfdurf Illiad must not be tought
Luis Vera
>hurfdurf Plato must not be tought
You think Socrates would be laughing his ass off with all that irony.

>But Plato was also a man who believed it was right for a small group to determine what the point of everyone else’s lives were, and that it was permissible for him to label those who disagreed with him unfit to even think.

>I choose to think more highly of myself, and of my fellow students, than Plato would have. I choose to believe that we’re bright and courageous enough to recognize when ancient philosophy is outmoded and obsolete, and to say it in no uncertain terms. And I choose to believe that I go to a school that can take that criticism and improve itself, to give its students the education it promised them. Columbia students deserve better, a Core that’s worthy of our talent and drive, but ultimately it’s up to us to be daring or insightful—or even just bitchy—enough to make it so.

This is Columbia material wow. Someone throw the Apology at this guy in the slim chance he'd get more humble and think less highly of himself.

>someone was so utterly full of themselves they actually and unironically wrote this article
The fucking delusion.

>an economist offers his life changing view on Plato
Just go and solve your equations lmao Plato is too hard for you

>Imagine theorizing Forms in an age where people's inner thoughts were heard and listened to with the presence - and reality - only schizophrenics attribute them today
>moresmartsquantizedwisdomLUL.png

Faggot Columba-OP should have gone for bigger Sokal Hoax dimensioned bait and subjected him to some post-structural literary critique while claiming to have salvaged the Western metaphysical tradition (and science/technology) from its bigoted Hellenic cave boundaries.

The Athenian Revolution and its consequences has been a disaster for the global proletariat.

Plato BTFO, how can he ever recover?

>"I'm smarter than Plato"
>thinks 'Ethics' is one of Plato's works

>Luis Vera
Affirmative action

>Imagine CC as a class in which 20 of the brightest minds in the country are locked in a room and given the same questions Plato and Aristotle set out to answer. What is justice? How do you organize the best society from scratch? What do we owe to one another? We’d read Plato and Kant and Hobbes as research, and yet the class wouldn’t just be about interpreting those texts, but about building on them, using them to solve the problems of Western philosophy, or at least to try.

Isn't this how philosophy works? Is he pissed off at Plato, or how Plato's taught?

God I fucking love Goodreads so much. Where else would you see things like this? It’s like watching a dog hump a pillow, but thousands of people are watching with that special “inquisitive” look that suggests their heads are lodged so firmly up their collective rectums that they can’t see it for what it really is.

good greentext

We see OPs with this level of pretense daily on lit. Why are you surprised to find a nonanon who thinks the same

The interesting thing about such naive criticism of classical texts is how often the original text has already presumed this kind of thinking. What you posted is exactly what Callicles accuses Socrates of, in Gorgias.

Reminds me of attacks on Christianity by people who unknowingly express arguments already included in Job or Ecclesiastes.

He thinks the brightest students in the country locked in a room would would do something when it wouldn't even make a dent to philosophical questions. They've been already tackled by some of the smartest who have ever lived but let's leave it up to a bunch of ignorant and arrogant 19 years olds who think they have all the answers while disregarding those who made great lifelong efforts. Any "research" would be just for show only so that we can blessed with the culmination of their efforts.

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low-quality bait in my opinion
can't believe americans are this stupid

maddening, isnt it

>20
>brightest
>minds
How very democratic. He almost sounds like a certain greek pedophile...

Exactly, it's 'mathematics' where one of your variables can be "the satisfaction received from consuming a good or service." Baseless assumptions. Economists consider themselves to have some kind of higher insight into human behavior, to the point that they can graph their insights, considering them not theoretical but factual. There's really no justification beyond, "I know."

Not saying economics involves complex math, but this sounds more like what some marketing or sales person would do, rather than an economist.

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>now you too can be smarter than one of history's greatest philosophers, and you didn't even have to do anything!

Utility is what I was referring to and it is one of the underlying concepts of economics. Utility maximization is one of the early problems you learn about AKA "how to get the most satisfaction for my money." Seems like a very reasonable thing to prove mathematically, "human satisfaction." That's why I think it takes a certain kind of person to assume they could ever define such a thing much less take it as cold hard fact.

The vast majority of math is fake.

>Luis Vera
That doesn't sound like a white name, tell me again why we should listen then?

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I'll take 1,5724 watts of good ethics and maybe a whole kilogram of justified true belief to go. I'm having a mathematics party later today with all my mathematician friends where we will be solving all the philosophical problems of the world in one night solely with mathematics.

They would just respond with spoon-fed non sequitors and claim victory

Sounds like the kind of person who barely understood a line of Parmenides and now needs to tell themselves it's just stupid nonsense anyway

God doesn't actually provide a very satisfying rebuttal in Job, though.

I mean I'm no fedora but that book always seemed a bit unsatisfactory.

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>he hasn't studied the lost works of plato, inscribed on stone tablets that he dug up in his backyard

Psalm 73

>teaching Plato in the classroom
>Parmenides, struggling to make them understand
>student in the front glances over
>''Are you an intellectual ?''
>''Not really''
>''That's why you teach Plato''
>he smiles and leaves the classroom a few minutes later
>come home and try thinking of comebacks in the shower

what the fuck

jej

This is an accurate summation of the one Platonic dialogue that I read. I don't remember which one it was but it was incredibly stupid.

>Reminds me of attacks on Christianity by people who unknowingly express arguments already included in Job or Ecclesiastes.

That's because every possible argument against the system is contained within the system, and all you have to do is analyze and enumerate them.