So until now I've ignored all the threads and talk about this man but I believe I want to familiarize myself with his...

so until now I've ignored all the threads and talk about this man but I believe I want to familiarize myself with his oeuvre.

Where do I start with JP?

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start with and and fuck off

Maps of Meaning

check the archive

Don't read anything ever and watch youtube videos, taking it all for granted

youtube.com/watch?v=07Ys4tQPRis

This user is correct, this is where you start.

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Unironically this.

Neck yourself

I also honestly thought the majority of this board was conservative who would find Petersons scientifically and politically charged yet gentle Christian sermons comfy as fuck. Guess I misread the crowd.

>thinking a practical philosophy of accepting responsibility and critiquing yourself would be popular on an indonesian voodoo doll crafting forum which people use as an escape from the responsibilities of real life

Good point. Though I am here and I unironically kick ass.

the majority of this board is intellectuals who read plato dude

And if plato was making weekly YouTube videos I'd assume people would love those too.

What minecraft mods would Plato use?

He would just use Minecraft as an update of his cave metaphor and people would say he sold out and was just retelling the same old shit in a rambling way.

>Anyone who disagrees with JP is a narcissistic nihilist
*tips cross*
*unsheats Bible*

>I unironically kick ass
>Posting babby's first renaissance art
Holy mother of cringe.

You're on fucking 4chin it's contrarian headquarters.
If something is big enough that you've actually heard of it then it's already hated here.

Kek, and you rank art in terms of what? You think you see David once and then what, graduate from it? I don't think you really get art, user.

Yeah, I guess we all hate on Michaelangelo as well now. HATE!

If you think you couldn't get a Michelangelo hate thread going then I invite you to start one.
In the same post you just wrote you responded to someone calling David "babby's first art" and "cringe."
You're off to a good start.
You seem to be quite stupid though so I'm out.

Who here unironically thinks they're smarter than Jordy B Memerson?

>I'm out
Like you were assessing the quality of the this thread before my post and thought any of this was a good use of time. Yeah, THEN it went downhill. Good call, user, wow you are really discerning.

This is great, he explains what truth fundamentally is very interestingly, along with some great insight into where philosophers went wrong. Don't underestimate Peterson.

I'm just pissed because retarded right-winger Amerifats use renaissance art to LARP as fucking Well-Read™ Gentlemen ™ who-appreciate-the-great-artists-of-the-western-civilization™ without even understanding them and then they go on on how they hate modern art and blablablabla and they also always post the same three paintings/sculptures to signal their retarded peers how supposedly smart they are and then they go on how some philosophers who they haven't even read have ruined everything and all of this with a faux magniloquent prose which serves to mask their lack of a brain with a curtain of pretty sounding words and a ridiculous imitation of a high tone and it's sad it's so fucking sad how could some be so fucking retarded that he distorts everything through Veeky Forums mental lenses Jesus fucking Christ stop posting about my beloved Michelangelo you fucking ameritard brainlets you're the fucking scum of the earth and I hate myself for coming to this place

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>I hate myself
Post boils down to this desu.

>Where do I start with JP?
You don't.

>clean your room you useless piece of shit!

vs.

>clean your room and you might stop being a useless piece of shit

True but I hate retarded Americans more than I hate myself desu sempaitachi

Love is the answer sir.

love you fellow non-amerifat
have a (You)

I already have plenty of love in my life kind sir but then I have this bad habit of coming to Veeky Forums and here I see all sorts of edgy Americans using my beloved renaissance artists as a means to fight their nonsense politics war and my blood starts boiling

I was the one who posted it, I'm not American, and I don't have a political agenda outside Beethoven's treatise that the function of government should be to support art.

I'm sorry, sometimes I let this place get to my nerves too easily. Post the Discobolus next time so I know you aren't a LARPing American.

I'll post whatever the heck I want to post but I wish you all the best.

coulda been an interesting thread but pipo w r*ddit accounts came here to sperg out

sad!

He doesnt come across as that smart. His arguments are super flawed half the time. He fails at making logical conclusions. He doesnt supply citations in his lectures. He misreads half the shit he talks about. He hasnt contributed anything particularly groundbreaking to his academic field.

Obviously he isnt dumb, but a lot of graduate students and academics are smarter than Peterson, and probably quite a few people on this board.

This just tells me that he's been trying for years to become meme-rich

He at least panders to his fanbase at times. In a recent video he got asked if he supported gay marriage and he said yes, but because the questioner said it was being pushed by cultural marxists, he said he wouldn't support it in that case.

You can start with stop being a man child and clean your room

youtube.com/watch?v=JjfClL6nogo

as someone who thought he was interesting

dont bother, its just right wing antisjw gamers who want someone to tell them they are special because theyre men and unhappy with being unsuccesful losers, and other shit they already want to hear like feminists are the devil

you can see what this guy's shtick is by how he flip flopped from calling MRA and theredpill people losers to changing his tune and literally saying im sorry to unironical misoginists who say that basically all women "want to ride the cock carousel then settle" -as if they are some special being that dont want to have as many sexual partners as possible in their daily lives- and rambling about some bullshit about how today women in the US/Canada have an advantage in the courts in divorce, as if one somehow makes the other not valid, he's a cuck who found out he can play with the balls of losers who have trouble with women for their money

also if you want to see why he says nothing of substance in regards to freedom of speech, go look at his interactions with canadian law makers -you know about the law that started his fame, that is literally just an extension of protected classes to stuff like gender identity, that does absolutely nothing of the things he pretends online in his videos it does, and the canadian lawmakers called him out explicitly while he just rambled as if he was doing one another of his youtube videos and not as if someone just refuted every premise he tried to push

Not gonna lie, former Peterson supporter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Peterson crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy rescue the father from the underworld.

It's obviously for easy money. Jordan Peterson saw that the anti-SJW crowd was becoming then next hot trend so he took advantage of that to whine in public about gender pronouns. He managed to frame the situation as an educated man being oppressed by the system, when in reality all that happened was that the University of Toronto sent a strongly worded letter that probably meant nothing in the grand scheme of things. He never got fired from his job, no one committed an act of violence or terror against him, and his "issue" ultimately amounted to nothing more than an oversensitive college student complaining about something in class and him saying no. It was the most first word form of "oppression" there was. Yet the anti-SJW crowd on the internet latched on to this as if he was a martyr, a hero standing for the little man against the evil SJW menace, which is evidently the most important issue of our time. They view him as an authority figure, a trophy to wave around and say "see? We're not dumb, this guy believes in the same things we do, and he's a professor!" when in reality they're all just being marketed to. On top of that, they, too, get to feel "smart" and "cultured" by being associated with him, without doing any actual academic legwork. To his credit, it paid off well. Not only does he still have his job as a professor, but he also makes 65k a month on Patreon, solely by uploading videos of himself talking in front of a camera.

His strategy is to whine about the nebulous, evil force of "postmodernism" and "cultural marxism", without directly attacking or citing any relevant literature like an actual academic. He never directly cites or addresses any of the works of Derrida, Foucault, Lyotard, or any by the "Frankfurt school", like Adorno, Marcuse, and Horkheimer. He just says "postmodernism is bad, bro" and "cultural marxism is bad, bro" without actually substantiating his claims by seriously addressing any of the relevant literature. Anyone can blame all of their problems on a vague, oppressive force but to actually fix anything or come up with a practical solution you need to understand it and define it concretely.

Jordan Peterson just happened to check off all of the boxes for internet culture at the time.
>I want someone smart to validate that SJWs are dumb
Check.
>I want to feel oppressed and fight against "something"
Check.
>I want to feel smart without actually working for it
Check.

>Anyone can
This is where you (and most others) are wrong. What Peterson is doing is true sophistry, it's art. Saying everybody could do this is factually wrong. He has a mix of high credentials, rhetoric and immunity to peer pressure that made him who he is today. In fact, nobody else is doing it, because they can't. He's raking in mad $ with philosophy. Let that sink in before you guys insult him further. It's the equivalent of "Lol Trump is so stupid, Hillary was too intelligent to win".

t. useless piece of shit

His maps of meaning lectures are pretty good, I would watch those. I haven't read the book, so I can't tell you how good it is.

He does in fact specifically address postmodern philosophers, but people gloss over that for whatever reason.

I was thinking about this the other day. How did Peterson become so good at sophistry? I think it has something to do with his work as a psychologist, perhaps he studied psychology of the masses or something like that. We should look into his academic publications (not maps of meaning) and find out. I'd do this myself but I don't know where to look.

Literally just bullshitting some psychological platitudes on top of the Peter Pan story. If you find this deep, you're a dumbass. The reason JP is criticized so much is not even because people think he's wrong but that he's shallow. His "advice" is so commonsensical and obvious that it's laughable how deep people try to make it. This whole video can be boiled down to "Man-children are bad because they want to stay like children, because children have more potential, but eventually you need to grow up and limit yourself". Wow, so deep!

not deep enough for you huh?

What about him proving meaning is literally real?

youtu.be/R7E_4c_s9y8?t=269

No, he "mentions" someone like Derrida once or twice. He never directly addresses his work, just namedrops him and associates him with a vague criticism that isn't actually substantiated by any evidence or citations.

>ugh I can't actually disagree with anything he says but ummm he's stupid!!!

He gave reasons for not trusting the push by cultural marxists, its not like he just said it to appease his fanbase.

I love this guy but he's more of a self-help lecturer than a philosopher.

youtube.com/watch?v=Ifi5KkXig3s
caduceus and DNA, isn't it crazy they resemble each other, maaang
made me a thinken

He's the only public intellectual in a Stalinist police state who had the integrity to go on TV and say that the empress has no vagina.

If Diogenes is a philosopher then so is Peterson.

go to Veeky Forums archive and read one of the thousand or so threads that repeat the same old shit over and over again

He believes their whole premise is untendable. Won't even be able to directly criticise someone like Derrida, when his whole philosophy centers around the relativistic nature of interperation. Peterson's arguments would be claimed to be white man's assertions of power and an unability to feel what it's like to be part of an "opressed class". Rightfully believed seen within a postmodernist framework. But it takes the right away to make the argument that he doesn't engage Derrida, or anyone else in his camp.

Got an iphone? Listen to all the podcasts he's uploaded onto itunes on his channel. It's an abbreviated amalgamation of maps of meaning, some interviews and speeches, and his bible lecture series. It's not everything, not by a long shot, but it does well.

Does Peterson get all the attention that F. W. J. von Schelling rightfully deserves?

Not making an argument here but asking a legitimate question, as I'm only minimally exposed to the Greeks. If one orients himself unquestionably towards one ideal, that is, to tell the truth completely in each moment, THOUGH recognises that truth will manifest differently in each moment and call forth different things to say in each moment because of the inherent contradictions and limitations of language: does that make you a sophist?

Peterson believes truth emerges from a biological evolutionary scale as a pragmatist reality. Not based solely on argument. He doesn't seem like a sophist to me.

Start with his video about trans pronouns and then do Joe Rogan. After that some of his lectures the sound interesting to you.

fpbp.
too bad no one ever listens.

>raking in mad $ with philosophy
See now, that's a serious achievement.

Oh fuck no someone is making money by giving advice to roasties I need to bully on a daily basis. How will I stroke my ego when they become happy or successful Veeky Forums?

Nail on the fucking head. And also
>how will I feel self important at social events if I can't pretend people haven't been exposed to the same books and ideas as me, I'll actually have to *gulp* TALK about them

kek

Start here:
medium.com/@valkyrie8411/50-books-recommended-by-dr-jordan-peterson-8b03c374e9c

In which you find authors completely foreign to Veeky Forums such as Huxley, Orwell, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Freud, Nietzsche, whom Veeky Forums never discusses, never ever.

Getting payed to philosophize makes you a sophist in the original sense. Nobody can tell whether one truly believes in what one says. What is clear is that nobody needs 30k/month to make a few videos telling "the truth". If he at least used that money to do something philosophy-related people probably wouldn't be calling him a sophist.
It's a different argument than the one which says that Peterson is himself a postmodernist, which is what you were talking about with the mutable definition fo truth.

uhh its now $64k

>If he at least used that money to do something philosophy-related people probably wouldn't be calling him a sophist.

Isn't that precisely what his Biblical Series is?

A pseudo intellectual psychology professor and youtube celebrity was teaching a class on postmodernism,

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Carl Jung and accept that he was the most highly-evolved human the world has ever known, even greater than Homer!”

At this moment, a brave, well read, pro-canon Veeky Forumsidf champion who had posted 1500 threads on plebs and understood the necessity of dialectics and fully grasped all intricacies of the Frankfurter Schüle stood up and held up a rock.

”How do you explain this, pinhead?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite and smugly replied “Scientifically its a lump of atoms you stupid regressive”

”Wrong. all science is a construct based on axiomatic logic, if Nietzsche was as you say right about our culture… then all logic should be thoroughly criticized right now”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of The Gulag Archipelago. He stormed out of the room crying those pseud crocodile tears. The same tears pseuds cry for the “truth” (wich today is so formed by discursive powerstructures that it is meaningless) when they greedily try to claw wealth from their foolish wagecuck audience. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Jordan B(*tch) Peterson, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist celebrity professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had fought against male suicide!

The students applauded and all started with the Greeks that day and accepted Bloom as their lord and saviour. A falcon named “Patrician” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The Dialektik der Aufklärung was read several times, and Pynchon himself showed up and enacted literary goofs and pranks across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died trying to comprehend Moby Dick and was deleted of the internet for all eternity.

Fucking Pleb.

Wow, you weren't even kidding: it's $64,584 per month now.

Philosophers get invited and give lectures all the time around America/Europe and they certainly don't get paid as much because what they say (what anyone says) is simply not that valuable. With that much money he could be the one hosting events and inviting other people, if not outright open a philosophical salon of his own.

>Make $64k a month
>Still charge $35 for your self-authoring program
>Still charge $10 for your 100 questions personality test
>Still charge for tickets to watch your bible lectures

So what "exactly" does he do with all that money?

And mind you, he also has his salary from his job, which he never lost.

This is the kind of literary opinion I wanna hear!

>So what does he do with all that money?

Why do you care exactly?

He buys fancy suits.

why do people feel the need to bring their secret internet club into real life?

>Being a commie in 2017

I blame varying degrees of autism or compensation for lack of an offline life.

This but unironically.

I wonder if the person who wrote that thought they were on to something or if it was just a joke?

I don't see the problem in what you're describing, not to mention he uploads the bible lectures to youtube.

>gentle Christian
He's an atheist.

newfags man, newfags

Unironically this butt

>1. Get philosophy degree
>2. Make you tube videos pandering to repressed feelings and chancing bogeymen
>3. Profit
>Showed you Dad!

The man is clever, I have to say.

whining about SJWs makes a lot of $$$, user
i like how his audience doesn't realize he's effectively the anti-SJW version Anita Sarkeesian
>make uninformed videos about a subject you know nothing about
>pretend to be oppressed when you aren't
>make sympathy bucks
to his credit tho at least he relied on a patreon instead of a kickstarter

it's not even a philosophy degree, he majored in psychology