Whom

You're fucking retarded.
Whom is simply an object pronoun.
Let me guess you started learning German last week and are here to dazzle us with your grammar terminology.
English doesn't have two distinct object cases it has one. Calling whom "dative" is absurd.

it's the dative case of whom. like blonde is the female of blond, english has inherited many idiosyncratic rules which if you weren't a monolingual pleb you would recognise.

of *who
since the monolingual might get lost

It might etymologically derive from a dative form, but as said there are no cases in English, and "whom" is used in situations equivalent to both accusative and dative in German. In the sentence "That is the man whom I punched" the "whom" would be in the accusative case if translated into German, Latin or any similar case language.

there are cases in English, that is why you have she/her. whom in English is used in the dative case, as you would "give a gift to her" and ask "to whom did you give the gift". English also has male and female genders, and just because there isn't always a morphological change does not mean it does not have cases. If that were the case, then Latin loses cases often. It hasn't even though most places won't teach you all of them any more because they know they're teaching monolinguals who are never going to translate natural language and won't notice they're missing the ablative in their skinner box version of the language.

I just provided you with an example where "whom" is clearly accusative. Are you just going to keep ignoring that?

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If whom is a "dative pronoun" then how come in all of your English examples of indirect objects you must introduce whom with a preposition?
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I think he's either trolling or unironically retarded.

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>That is the man whom I punched
that's wrong though. It makes sense if you say
>That is the man to whom I gave a punch
which is why it would be dative when translated, like user said. I think you're confused because most cases of whom are dative or ablative.

Are you confusing the fact that the subject is dative while the object is nominative, and assuming something that is a subject must be accusative or something?

There's an ablative which follows the dative morphology
>By whom were you punched
It's not accusative in the case you raised because it implies "giving" of a punch. Like "I gave her a kiss" follows the same rules as "I gave her a gift". Same with "I gave her a punch". It's dative. You can sperg all you like but you're just misidentifying cases.

>If whom is a "dative pronoun" then how come in all of your English examples of indirect objects you must introduce whom with a preposition?
because the dative case never implies a preposition? lel how would that even work?

There's literally nothing wrong with the first sentence. "To punch" can function as a transitive verb. You reformulated the sentence as if "to punch" can't take an object. There's no grammatical necessity to do this.

Let's make it even simpler for you. "Whom did you meet?" The equivalent in German would be "Wen hast du getroffen?". It's clearly the accusative form.

Why are you trying to rewrite the sentences? Yes, you could instead say "That is the man to whom I gave a punch", but that's a different sentence. You've created the dative form by interposing a preposition.

I could make it easier
>Ich schlug ihm
I punched him (dative).
I changed it because you'd run into problems with geschlugen not bringing up any of the cases you wanted.

What? That's grammatically incorrect. "Ich sclug IHN" (accusative) would be the correct form, since this is a completely direct action. The whole point of the distinction between accusative and dative in German is direct vs. indirect.

you can use ihn but nobody does.

fuck's sake, this was supposed to be a semi-trolling thread about pretentious archaic terms, not German grammar

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Are you learning German?

So in the end the autistic user throwing around "monolingual" as an insult reveals himself to have at best a shaky grasp on language in general.
Who would have thought?

Are you perhaps aware that English is not German?
Whom isn't a pretentious archaic term.
You might as well start a thread about how "me, him, her" are pretentious archaic terms, because it's the exact same thing.

I'm one of the anons saying German uses it as dative. I suspect you're the user trying to insist it doesn't, despite the fact you would have read it in even basic babby's first German books if you read much.

The other user isn't right either, because English officially calls it the oblique case, but he might be a first language speaker like you and not get taught that.

>Are you perhaps aware that English is not German?
Yes, but your German was wrong.
See

>discussion about whom
>spergs out about German

Wow you showed me. BTW I speak 3 languages and have read more than you. Now what?

Now I know you're lying. You brought up something beyond your ken and are now mad at the German language. Good going.

I haven't used German in this thread once because it's literally irrelevant to the discussion.
Are you aware that whom is an English word?
You brought up German because your grasp of English grammar is not strong enough to defend your erroneous proposition.

>I haven't used German in this thread once because it's literally irrelevant to the discussion.
I'm replying to a chain about >"That is the man whom I punched" the "whom" would be in the accusative case if translated into German
So if you're not trying to discuss that, you're in the wrong quote chain. You'll find it's translated ihm (dative) much more often.

>>"That is the man whom I punched" the "whom" would be in the accusative case if translated into German

Whoop de doo?
What's your point? Do you understand what "translation" is?
Again, English isn't German.

My point is that it is not translated as the accusative but as the datif and the the user who thought otherwise was wrong. You don't have to defend that user for being wrong, so if I were you and this upset about being wrong, I would remember that every user is a new user. It might help you not sound histrionic about minor losses.

Not fedora, if it isn't dialogue. It's very precise.

>datif
dative. lel

Your point has nothing to do with the ongoing discussion, which was about English cases.
And the poster count has been locked in at 8 for a while now, you aren't new to the thread.
Even if I hadn't been keeping an eye on the poster count, you'd still be easily identifiable by your clunky, autistic English usage.