Is ideal music supposed to be experienced as a pure transition of the Dionysian into its ephemeral Apollonian forms, or are specific kinds of representation appropriate to specific pieces of music?
Is there a "pure" appreciation of pure music? Is some music purer than others, like a perfectly harmonious Mozart concerto or mathematical Bach sonata, compared to a narratively structured Wagnerian Gesamtkunstwerk or dissonant and impressionistic Stravinsky piece?
If so, what is the relationship between "pure" music and "story-music?" Is it like the relationship between literature and popcorn cinema, with the latter being considered degenerate or adolescent?
What is the correct(est) way discovered so far to phenomenologically experience pure music, if it exists?
If it exists, what relationship does it have with attempts to find other musical grounds and expand the range of what we consider music to begin with, like atonalism? Is the correct phenomenological approach to pure music perennial and Pythagorean, or is there a deeper phenomenological ground whose range of listening has to be expanded?
Joseph Reyes
How about you ask fewer questions next time.
Oliver Collins
No, then people like you would show up and start shooting from the hip with random opinions. I'll kill you in real life.
Eli Collins
I second this, OP. How do you expect anyone to be able to give a good response without being one of those autists who greentext every point and respond individually? I agree with neechee though.
Michael Watson
The relation between "pure" music and "story-music" is the history of music
Grayson Ross
Is dissonance pure? If dissonance is not pure, I want nothing to do with "pure" music.
Wyatt Lopez
No
Parker Watson
>Stravinsky >Mozart nigga listen to something good like Neutral Milk Hotel or The Pop Group not even joking
Noah Garcia
>Neutral Milk Hotel >The Pop Group nigga listen to something good like Gorguts or Nile not even joking
Carter Allen
Let me write a book real quick...Piece of advice: if you have a difficult and wide ranging question, the only way you'll get a serious response is to post something substantial yourself, first.
Dominic Martinez
Put in some Deathspell Omega and Ulcerate while we're at it.
Brayden Harris
Don't listen to corporate produced crap, pick something indie and support it
Jack Hill
>corporate produced >Neutral Milk Hotel >The Pop Group
Landon Flores
You never listened to any of the bands listened you poser.
Benjamin Rogers
>Neutral Milk Hotel This is such a fucking meme band. I don't know why people like it so much. I'll stick to my weeb shit thank you very much.
Owen Evans
We choose what we see.
Alexander Garcia
The terms you are looking for are "absolute music" and "programme music", and "liturgical music".
Ian Clark
I get it but Neutral Milk Hotel is pushed so fucking hard by /mu/ like it's the savior of music as a whole and it really isn't and when called out they just go "lmao shit taste git gud"
Bentley Walker
>like it's the savior of music It's much more than that.
Kayden King
Thank you for this. This is exactly the kind of thing I have been looking for in response to my questions. Do you have any recommendations for debates over absolute music, particularly within the German idealist tradition?
