We should talk about this

There are no women in The Hobbit besides Bilbo's mother, because he's clearly gay. Stop being such a shitlord.

>Elves are banished because they are privileged
Daily reminder there is nothing wrong with elf genocide. Hate those Mary Sue bastards with their oh so perfect society and flat personalities I want them all dead

Ar Pharazon did nothing wrong.

the eagles were too busy recording an album

...

>Saruman identifies as human/eagle kin and is absolved
>given a seat of important power at the right hand of Sauron to promote inclusion
>Sauron has purple hair

I guess that is kind of creepy when you think of it.

>perfect society and flat personalities

Read the Silmarillion.

Why would it be creepy? It's a group of dudes going on an adventure to kill a dragon. Why does it need women in it?

Is there a """""""problem""""""""" with being homosexual?
WTF i through SJW were okay with faggots? No wonder why they are socialist (read National Socialism)

I've actually never read or seen The Hobbit. Doesn't it start out in their village? Are there no women there?

not really. There are plenty of books that are women only, it's not their fault that society doesnt regard them as high and influential as LOTR. Little Women for example, it's not a terrific book by any means, but it does highlight women's growth from childhood to adulthood. Many women who have read it and loved it praise it as super important, but there is porobably a lot more women, especially younger ones that have never read it and even dislike it, plenty more who are LOTR fans and dont take it so seriously.

A huge fucking problem that today's minorities and people that believe they are oppressed propagate is that, they want inclusion in popular culture, but instead of creating their own heroes, and pillars, they seek to usurp already established ones by whites. They want a black Captain America, an all girls LOTR cast, more minorities in book awards, regardless of talent or merit for the sake of inclusion.

Yes, Tolkien even made an entire family tree (with heterosexual individuals.).

From page 2 of the Hobbit
>As I was saying, the mother of this hobbit -- of Bilbo Baggins, that is -- was the famous Belladonna Took, one of the three remarkable daughters of the Old Took ...

Okay then. Well that guy is indeed a faggot, then.

Woman denotes a human female. Hobbits are not human, therefore that female hobbit is not a woman.
The Hobbit is still f***ing creepy.
Q.E.D.

>[Bard] was a descendant in long line of Girion, Lord of Dale, whose wife and child had escaped down the Running River from the ruin long ago.
>This was dreadful talk to listen to, not only because of the brave woodmen and their wives and children, but also because of the danger which now threatened Gandalf and his friends.

Aside from the spider monsters and a vampire, I can't remember any female villain in the Legendarium. Plenty of bad dudes.

that cunt Lobelia Sackville-Baggins

>Hobbits are not human
Yes they are. They're pygmy aboriginals, but still human.

(Also, they have brown skin, it says so directly in the source materials. For all the talk of "inclusivity" and "raycissm", why exactly did the movie adaptations miss this?)

and would you call yourself an auto-didact?

>She's a delicate and beautiful lily, warped by necessity, and as soon as she sets eyes on Faramir, "her heart changes." She declares that she will be a shieldmaiden no longer, and instead dedicate herself to being a healer -- a far more suitable female pursuit
that sounds so beautiful

the world of men and the world of women were historically separated, it makes sense that in a book about the world of men there's no women except as spouses

i mean Veeky Forums is pretty much a space of self-segregated men who aren't comfortable in mixed spaces like reddit and twitter, not saying that there are no girls here but we know how low is the % and there's a reason for that

The article is about the books you fucking retarded moron.

>She thinks the concept of good and evil as presented in Tolkien's books is simplistic

kek

She gives women a bad name.

she doesn't, but she shouldn't have fell for the meme that LOTR is for everybody, it's for young kids

Well it is simplistic. It doesn't even touch on the fact that the most brave a person can be is when they perform sexual acts on a person of the same sex. That was too complex for Tolkien and his time. He was a pale stale white male.

>Then I made the mistake of rereading the books in college.
Yet another case of pomo indoctrination, and crying out muh bigotry/

Eowyn is a proto feminist hero. That this woman can't see that tells me she's just looking to shit on a book in the name of feminism

How isn't it? Not that it's necessarily a bad thing tho.

not literature

why don't you read Tolkien first

please spoon feed me, daddy

Only one family is described as dark, if I remember correctly, and that doesn't imply they were "black"

you're simply baiting with a post like that

I didn't say "black". (What the fuck is it with Americans and their negro obsessions??)

The source material describe hobbits as being somewhat similar to Native Americans in our real world:

> Before the crossing of the mountains the Hobbits had already become divided into three somewhat different breeds: Harfoots, Stoors, and Fallohides. The Harfoots were browner of skin, smaller, and shorter, and they were beardless and bootless; their hands and feet were neat and nimble; and they preferred highlands and hillsides. The Stoors were broader, heavier in build; their feet and hands were larger; and they preferred flat lands and riversides. The Fallohides were fairer of skin and also of hair, and they were taller and slimmer than the others; they were lovers of trees and of woodlands.
> The Harfoots had much to do with Dwarves in ancient times, and long lived in the foothills of the mountains. They moved westward early, and roamed over Eriador as far as Weathertop while the others were still in Wilderland. They were the most normal and representative variety of Hobbit, and far the most numerous. They were the most inclined to settle in one place, and longest preserved their ancestral habit of living in tunnels and holes.

I think the conception that the take on good and evil is simple comes from the expectation that characters all be grey and troubled. LotR is a story about good v. evil and I think for many people that's enough to think of it as simple.

Tolkien has some ideas about what makes a person good or evil and characters behaviours reflect this.

People in the book talk about how they might try to use the ring for good but it would do evil instead. Boromir is the best example. The ring causes him to do evil, he betrays the fellowship and tries to take the ring. The ring works on him because he's prideful. He's spent his whole life tihnking he's hot shit and now a bunch of freaks are ignoring what he wants and going on a suicide mission. The thing that makes him evil is his inability to humble himself. He was proud but the ring made him unable to put that pride aside.

In one of the letters Tolkien elaborated on this and said that Gandalf is righteous but should he have used the ring it would have made him self-righteous.

Are you familiar with the character Gollum, you dumb-butt.

>started to listen to a LotR audiobook
>he sings all the faggy songs
Jesus, it's been a few years and I know that I've skipped them for the most part while reading the books,but I never knew that he wrote so many songs.

>he doesn't like the songs

If it's any consolation no one really agrees with him. He's criticized plenty for saying stuff like this, while writing his women as harem anime archetypes.

>be irrelevant and talentless nobody
>misapply moronic popular political trends to criticize popular works in order to try and siphon off relevance from a great author's name
>remain an absolute no-one but now outed as a retard
the toppest of keks

This is a good point actually. Many attempts at including women characters end up worse than just leaving them out.

I'm reminded now that a few semesters ago we read The Hobbit in a lit course and the prof started off by saying that it would be meaningless to analyse a book from a gendered perspective if only one gender is represented, Probably to preemptively cut off all the girls in the class who were just going to submit their feminist fiction blogposts as essays.

The amount of songs is just mind boggling, longest time without a song has probably been around 10 minutes at this point and I'm 4 hours into book 1.

book 1 has the most for sure. They're delightful tho. You should check out the Tolkien Ensemble. It's a group that sings all the songs from the books with musical accompaniment

>this user is a dwarf of the Iron Hills, do not trust what he says

It's simplistic, but that's by design. It's suppose to be a mythology of England before Christianity, before all shades of grey.

Why are you talking about a children's book on a literature board? Get this shit out of here and read a real book once in a while.

This is a thread against women, nonwhites, SJWs, Jews, and cultural marxists. This is a redpilled board

Middle Earth is not another planet. It's our world set in the deep past. If anything, women should be even further in the background and lower in importance that the story portrays them. Women should be portrayed as property.

I made the thread to discuss source material being cherry-picked and altered for adaptations due to todays sjw garbage. Could have made the thread on/tv/ but the board is awful

/pol/ gtfo

The Hobbit transcends the children's/adult dichotomy.

>goes out of their way to read SJW blogs
>gets upset over them

Just stop already.

He's right, you know. Just roll with it.

hang yourself you fucking spastic, this isn't a literature thread

hmmmmpf

not sure what she expected on an epic written before the invention of yasqueenery

Make me

Outrage tourists are the most annoying part of Veeky Forums.

They, like OP, mostly stem from /pol/. They spend all day trawling the low-traffic, dusty corner of the Internet looking for things to be outraged about. Then they post on Veeky Forums in the hopes of finding other outrage tourists. OP and his posters will then feel validated in their utterly boring and empty life choices.

I vote we ban these outrage bait threads.

on-topic bait is still allowed, i mean most of Veeky Forums is just bait except for the procedural threads like Rupi posting, post art, post a poem, or similar

>leftypol filename
wew lad

yea newfags have always been cancer. they just come here for the shitposting, nothing can be discussed ever like in 2010

it's cute how you actually believe your time is worth anything

maybe yours. mine does.

a person who whinges over banal shit like this does not have valuable time to expend, you're about as worthless as the people you're complaining about, maybe more-so

>feministfiction.com
>When I was a teenager, I was a massiveLord of the Ringsfan.
>massive

Guys I couldn't even make it past the first sentence.

should we create an essential yasqueenery reading list for girls like the one on the link?

Why is Tim and Eric there? I like their stuff

Underrated.

>Discussing book
>describes character as being "off-screen"

Tim Heidecker has an unhealthy obsession over the alt-right, /pol/, and trump supporters in general. Shortly after the 2016 election, he had a meltdown in his own reddit AMA, and subsequently got banned. He even wrote a song about being a cuck. youtube.com/watch?v=zorJ4cClLU4

I don't know much about Eric Warheim.

>Looks like vegan's back on the menu boys

>making a caricature of a group of people and critiquing the idea you have of them in your head rather than their actual words

>not quinoa

I see that more as the olive skinned Mediterraneans, but it doesn't really matter anyway.

>feministfiction

Identity politics is the easiest thing in the world. Why does every text have to provide an authentic representation of every marginalised identity you can think of? Any book can be critiqued along these lines: are there enough women? POC? WOC? Disabled people? Trans people? Gay people? Or did the author try to represent any/all of these people but doesn't belong to the marginalised group? Then it's appropriation.

So does Harry Potter.

it's funny that this meme is not attached to the most banal, unrated and humorless posts, keep it up memesters

*now