Truth doesn't exist

>huemer agrees with me
>that means everybody agrees with me DEGENERATES BTFO
The only people agreeing with you, are those misunderstanding the argument.

what? it's the relativist who posited the "truth" in the first place.

again, "everything is relative" is a proposition which necessarily has a truth value

I generally am more along the lines of "Truth exists, but as humans our limited faculties are more or less incapable of knowing it for certain." If we do stumble into truth it is as a blind man fumbling about with his hands out and looking for a wall to use for direction.

no it just goes to show that huemer BTFO relativists. as shown by the fact that you haven't even posted a good argument in response

> the problem is that "truth is relative" seems like a universal claim that would be true regardless of who believes it
Ah, well if you get to that meta level then as far as I'm concerned it gets pretty pointless because you can always one up it and redefine the terms, i.e. what constitutes truth, etc. You can get down a pretty useless rabbit hole this way and the further you go, the more tortuous the reasoning becomes, but I fail to see what the goal is here.

if you were remotely smart you would know that the easiest way out is to go with nihilism. it avoids the major problems with relativism and subjectivism. it's not self-refuting.

it has it's own problems but it's much harder to prove wrong so easily

>You can get down a pretty useless rabbit hole this way and the further you go, the more tortuous the reasoning becomes, but I fail to see what the goal is here.

I'm kind of confused. Idk it seems like relativists are making a meta claim as to what is really going on when we claim that something is "true". We're just trying to see if that statement is logically consistent (it seems like it isn't).

It's like when scientists say things like "well if it can't be proved by science, then it's not true", and ignore the fact that THAT statement itself is a philosophical claim which isn't empirically verifiable.

Language is constructed to represent ideas which transcend culture.

Your fucking stupid as shit m8

Mathematics is absolute truth because the conclusions always follow from the premises. Sure, you can deny the premises are correct, but that doesn't make mathematics wrong.

>I'm a relativist
>I have an opinion
>Truth does't exist

See? Relativism wins