So have any of you read this stuff or not...

So have any of you read this stuff or not? I spend too much time on this hellhole in order for me to not to develop some sort of literary, academic interest for Veeky Forums. Is this going to be an objective read or being heavily biased towards normie-eqsue anti-Veeky Forums sentiment?

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jacobinmag.com/2017/02/paleocons-for-porn
academia.edu/34440904/WTF_is_a_Cuck_New_Media_New_Masculinity_and_the_Rise_of_the_Alt-Right
twentytwo.fibreculturejournal.org/fcj-158-tits-or-gtfo-the-logics-of-misogyny-on-4chans-random-b/
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

I think you already know the answer to both of your questions. I think I'll read it today. Too tired to focus on what I'm currently reading anyway.

It's a woman author, user.
Women authors are only good for man-hate click-bait. You can get that shit for free at Salon or Jezebel or The Guardian. Spending shekels to read a book of that shit is batshit insane.

What I've read of Nagle's essays I don't think are too far off the mark. She is a "normie" but she's also not stupid or a knee-jerker.
Don't go in expecting it to be *about* Veeky Forums anyway, as the subtitle makes clear it's a wider topic than that.

>damage control
what are you so afraid of?

You forgot to wear these:

I haven't read it yet but the title pisses me off. I only tend to see this phrase on /r9k/, to act as if it some kind of creedo of Veeky Forums is bizarre.

I've been boycotting women authors ever since the women only showings of Wonder Woman.

Her book might be futher mythologizing even popularizing Veeky Forums.

>If further proof that the anti-PC taboo-breaking culture of Veeky Forums is not just ‘for the lulz’ is needed, after the November 2015 shooting of five Black Lives Matter protesters in Minneapolis, a video emerged of two of the men involved, wearing balaclavas and driving to a Black Lives Matter protest, saying: ‘We just wanted to give everyone a heads up on /pol/… Stay white.’
The 'If further proof...' comes after talking about the start off the beta uprising and the guy that posted his strangled girlfriend on (I assume) /b/.
>If these two premeditated murderers don't convince you maybe these idiot kid counterprotesters that were forced to defend themselves from savages after stupidly going to a protest that they knew would be heavily populated by savages will!
It's not as bad as I expected so far.

The author has said the book is basically already out of date, which at least means she understands the problems writing about internet communities.

it's an edgy title to get the attention of its demographic (people who kind of know what Veeky Forums is)

jacobinmag.com/2017/02/paleocons-for-porn

a brilliant little article which is already proving completely correct

Nobody who comes from the outside with academic pretensions will ever understand Veeky Forums. They can't differentiate between seriousness and sarcasm, they always take things at face value and don't see the humour in obvious joke posts. They have a biased attitude right off the bat; they expect to find a vile den of hideous extremists and radical misanthropes, and that's exactly what they perceive. They almost never come to accurate conclusions. It would be like me observing gorillas at the zoo for a week and then claiming to be a primate expert.

I think a far more interesting analysis would center on Veeky Forums's anonymity. People on here can say what they really think. Anonymity provides cover. Veeky Forums is like the internet equivalent of the human unconscious. You'd need to develop a particular method of analysis. It would immensely difficult. But worth it. Veeky Forums provides a unique opportunity. It may in fact be easier to reconstruct a sort of model for a mass group unconscious (a set of repressed emotions, instincts, fears, resentments, etc), then to attempt a reconstruction of your own unconscious structures/ You need a mirror. This reconstruction might serve as a mirror. But again. The problem may be too complicated. Anyway, the book only focuses on "culture wars." Something that in me view is rather stupid. All it ever boils down too is something along the lines of "of course people deserve rights, but I really don't like those people, and I need to take out my aggression and frustration at them so I'm going to complicate the question by nit picking and dehumanization. I'm not a bigot, just concerned...blah blah blah"

>human unconscious.
>repressed emotions
You sound like a Freudcuck

>humour in obvious joke posts
/pol/ is sincere, obviously so. It isnt like going here and getting "start with the greeks" or going on Veeky Forums and getting told to GOMAD when you are 50 pounds overweight.

she basically conflates /b/ /r9k/ and /pol/ with the whole of Veeky Forums. It's written exclusively with a soccer mom moral panic audience in mind
>Johnny Johnny
>Yes Mama
>Browsing Veeky Forums?
>No Mama
>Telling Lies?
>No Mama
>Open your browser history
>HAHAHA

wait, "start with the greeks" is a joke? FFFUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKK

It frames the whole thing from an outsider's perspective, more interested in the political changes affected through the medium of sites like Veeky Forums than the sites themselves. So there's not really any exploration of "chan culture" beyond how it has been weaponised in the past and present.
I'd say it's fairly unbiased, in so far as the writer seems as unsympathetic to the ultra-liberal sensibilities of tumblr as the transgression for the sake of transgression style of Veeky Forums.
It's honestly an alright read. It certainly won't be the definitive work on the topic, but as a freeze-frame of the whole situation as of mid-2017, I'd say it sums things up quite well.

It's even got a click-bait title you pathetic numale cuck

> People on here can say what they really think.
That hasn't been true for some ten years.

If you can't *Post CP (Mods are Asleep)*, you don't say what you really think. Heck, you are being monitored by Cloudflare at this very moment, and everything you've read and posted has been put through at least a number of classifier algorithms.

>hyphenating "clickbait"
wew lad

This. You have to be here for a long time to see the humor and satire.

>/pol/ is sincere
not really. pol is a vent board. and theres a lot of different types of people on pol actually if you ignore stormfag larpers.

You won't learn anything you didn't already know. Nagle basically rephrases the Veeky Forums wiki and calls it a day. She doesn't take an interest in the subject itself; she only cares about it for political ends.

Also, this: It's an extremely lazy book.

No one gives a shit about what government or tech companies have on them. They can't release it en masse to people's friends/family most employers without facing major backlash which is as good as real anonymity as far as most are concerned.

>normie-eqsue anti-Veeky Forums sentiment
If you have any sentiment other than negative towards Veeky Forums, I can only imagine you're newly arrived and in your honeymoon ''board culture'' phase. There's not a single silver lining about this place, it's completely unsalvageable and indefensible. No one here is even smarter than the average dumb teen on reddit; they're just better at censoring their own stupidity.

The fundamental aspect of Veeky Forums dynamics is initiation. Each board has a number of shibboleths and expected behaviors, and half of the posts are calling outs of those who don't know them or how to apply them. I haven't read the book in the OP, but the most interesting avenue to approach Veeky Forums academically would be to analyse the workings of an esoteric community.

You seem to be a simpleton who really likes his one-size-fits-all solution.

Do you know that a lot of users have seen Myspace, Facebook, and other social networks in exact the same way you describe? No real life friends, family, co-workers there. Are they just big 4chans?

pol is satire

/pol/ is an internal feeding ground created after Veeky Forums trolls became fat enough to stop bothering about external feeding grounds.

Yeah I read it, not bad and surprisingly balanced look at the alt-right. She appears to have some sympathies against the so-called outrage culture.

>go to a place looking to start trouble
>trouble happens
>b-but it was self defense! fucking niggers!
Oh yeah, I believe it.

It's a joke about how you didn't start with the Greeks and you are way out of your depth making pretend you understand concepts because you understand the words.

I just went to the MGTOW website trying to figure out your picture....

yikes...

Why would an anonymous forum encourage more self censorship than a forum based on community awarded points

They didn't go there to kill niggers. They went to be idiot kids. If they weren't chased like that no one there would've gotten hurt.
Either way I wasn't defending them so much as I was pointing out her strange logic. Even if you think all blacks are innocent angels all the time you have to admit that the BLM shooting is a whole lot more ambiguous than the other two.

>denying black people responsibility for their actions

das raycis doe

>denying white people responsibility for their actions

totally fine

You're not responsible if some one gets offended at you to the point of breaking the law.

Elliot Rodger only killed the people he did because they prevented him from killing the women he wanted to, he did nothing wrong.

It's not the same kind of self-censorship. In Veeky Forums there's a series of guidelines you have to follow in order to be taken seriously, and a list of things you have to omit lest you be outed as a normie, a cuck or a newfag. And the attitude is completely different, sure on reddit they sound stupider, but it's a matter of rhetoric: here most are more or less just as ignorant but are good at sounding like experts, if only because of how unflinchingly they defend their absurd points.

>that user on Veeky Forums sounds so confident that I'm a brainlet cuck who should kill himself, he must know what he's talking about!

It's whitey's civic duty to get beaten to death by a swarm of 'groids. Shouldn't have said all those nono words; exercising your right to free speech means abdicating your right to self-defense :^)

Veeky Forums's collective attitude is heavily influenced by hipsterism,equating popularity with 'otherness' or negativity. And people still fight over petty social standing within the micro-world of their threads, despite it being anonymous.

The whole irony thing and playing around with the idea of intent is really just a way to MASK their real thoughts of feelings. In other words the defining trait of the weighted average within the community is cowardice.

>being this triggered over independent men

I was triggered by the grandiosity of self suggested by that picture. Anyone who makes that their wallpaper is holding on to embarrassing childhood hopes of unlimited success.

The fact that such success is assumed to be the product of "choosing" to be single is just the icing on the cake.

In other words the defining trait of the weighted average within the community is cowardice.

THIS

>get chained down by roastie
>can't achieve
>calls people who can deluded

Extremely vapid post

That's also why the activities on Veeky Forums will never amount to anything. Because they are too cowardly to make the nessiary steps. These are people that are afraid of using any sort of identity at all (which also makes organization of anything complex impossible) and probably don't even leave their rooms.

White people should use a form of civil disobedience against them. Do a "sit in" in the ghetto asking black people to stop committing so much crime.

I heard a group of 4channers trying to communicate on Ventrilo, and it was like listening to a legit Special Ed class. All the kids that were picking and eating boogers, outcasted and loners, come here to waste.

It's cringe.

It's no wonder they have to hide. There's nothing to reveal.

Fast food workers, graveyard shift security workers, welfare and autists on antidepressants.

yeah but Veeky Forums can grow and develop in a more natural way because the top-down censorship is so much more lax

> probably don't even leave their rooms

As if it ever was a negative attribute.

It is. Living on the internet is unhealthy.

Don't you see the humor in a group of people who lack the health and drive to leave their rooms trying to change the world?

>some of these people were extremely sexually frustrated and had mental breakdowns after women rejected them
Also I thought da Vinci just simply preferred men rather than decided not to be with women?

you have ashit humour

D ECAY

> a thousandth thread about clickbait-titled book
> no one wants to discuss the real scientific works like academia.edu/34440904/WTF_is_a_Cuck_New_Media_New_Masculinity_and_the_Rise_of_the_Alt-Right

To me this is somewhat insightful but still psychobabble. That's also the problem with Nagle, I enjoy reading her articles but when I do I think of them as just ideas. Whatever it is by Nagle or (You) Veeky Forums is interpreted with a biased lens. It is all just-so stories.
I'm fine with that. But your use of language seems to imply confidence in your claims which puts me off. Same with Nagle though.

Seeing people playing catch up and trying to explain this stuff as outsiders to outsiders in such a serious manner make me snicker and glad I gave up academia. Just ridiculous.

I was hoping for something anthropological which seems the most scientific it can get.

>This thesis, written for my Gender & Queer Studies Minor in Spring 2017, uses the ‘Alt-Right’ as a case study to explore how ‘toxic technocultures’ utilize ideologies of hegemonic masculinity and neo-fascism to promote hate and…

Scientific? This is undergraduate stuff from a MINOR in a bullshit field!

Hmm, this hasn't been posted in 2017 yet: twentytwo.fibreculturejournal.org/fcj-158-tits-or-gtfo-the-logics-of-misogyny-on-4chans-random-b/

WAAAH REALLY???

You vent to get things out of your system, but people who visit pol seems to have an opposite reaction, getting even more angry.

>/b/

> talking to stale ribbons of dried dough

>Jean Paul Sartre

I like how fags like you will criticize Nagle for not understanding chan culture by not being immersed in it but you won't immerse yourself in /pol/ culture to know that you're totally wrong about it

>utilize

I'm not criticizing her, I think she's fairly observant, but you can't deny that pol has a radicalizing effect on some.

>tfw Veeky Forums is now an "alt-right" website
I want all these fucking regressive newfaggots to die for being the final nail in this place

Doesn't matter what normies think, on Veeky Forums it's definitely not a settled matter. Go back to /pol/ is a pretty common insult after all

I'm pretty sympathetic to /pol/ I just don't like how they try to make every thread about the JEWS. There's a separate board for judenhass for a reason.

8 years of an establishment democrat will do that to a counter-culture board
commiechan probably was never gonna catch on

>cringe

flap away cunny

But there's no board free of the Weltjudentum

I can't wait till the counter culture shifts towards radical Zionism.

>if you ignore stormfag larpers.
Maybe in 2012/2011 you could easily ignore them. They own the board now.

maybe the norks have one on their intranet

Tesla was in love with a pigeon, why would i wanna be like him.

>Di Caprio
He fucks more 10/10s in a month than this website combined. He is not MGTOW.

MGTOW is retarded.

>cant get GF
>cry
>i i i i lll make my own movement you r r r roastie
Nerd

>MGTOW is retarded
Words to live by, user.

>/pol/ is satire
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

women

>They can't differentiate between seriousness and sarcasm
Native channers can't either. If you think you can you haven't been here long enough. I'm not even sure if my posts are serious or not most of the time.

Fredu dindu nuffin you closeted catholic faggot just go eat jesus flesh you fuck be one with him erotically drink blood wine

wow you're just starting with the greeks when you finish with the greeks! wtf lol

OP here,

This is a genius post. Keep it up, user.

no it's only you faggot

I thought MGTOW was mostly about marriage and relationships, do these guys really refuse to even have sex? I think commitment with women is dumb but I need to fuck at least once a month to stay sane. As long as I get my release I really don't care about women

There'a a level of which their analysis is completely accurate though. They see posters here as vapid and destructive, and they are right, just not for the reasons they might think. Because we have destroyed all form of identity on here, and most people on here, on most boards, have a pathologically cynical outlook on things. Healthy people don't come here.

Actually, most posts over 3-4 lines are genius here. keep it up, lads.

>Veeky Forums is like the internet equivalent of the human unconscious.

NO.

Do you know your demographic? It's the opinions of trailer park trash and drug addicted NEETS with vidya anime lives.

My greatest wish is to know how to Veeky Forums like an oldfag pro...

wtf I love literature now

Seriously though, I'll put this on my wishlist and will read it soon. Haven't even heard about it.

I've always saw Veeky Forums (or the chan as we in the know affectionately refer), as a dumping ground for the increasing anomie stricken outcasts of the West.

In my early days it was more sparsely inhabited but those who did free-quent were more autistic, both more and less introspective but incredibly insular and I suppose this is a result of Veeky Forums breaking into the public conscious.

Over time the chan has become vitriolic and ironic. There was once a call to return to the days I've mentioned, but they never really existed.

people thought duckroll and demotivationals were funny
occasionally you would click on a thread about gurren larg and then worry the fbi was on their way because some guy dumped his cpfolder to derail