/SFFG/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

>underrated theme from previous thread, cont'd
Favourite character edition
>Who are your top 3 characters and why?
>What makes a good character in your eyes?

FANTASY
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SCIENCE FICTION
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries (incomplete, mostly pre-Millenium):
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Previously on 'Penny-per-word Patreon':

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Is Roose Bolton sacrificing Frey kids to The Great Other or just The Others in general? I'm curious where he is going with his arc and with his alliance with Walder Frey. Seems like he's just using them to gain otherworldly powers like possibly immortality.

All Lord Frey wants a seat at the big boys table, and to feel important and clever. Tywin and Roose were using him as a scapegoat so that the negative PR from the Red Wedding didn't backfire on them. They don't give a shit about him beyond that.

Also, I don't know if you're only drawing from the show, but Walder Frey has a bunch of trueborn sons and a lot of bastard ones too. Two of them hang out around Winterfell for a while in the second book iirc.

So, I'm pretty sure I'm going to hell for enjoying this book. My feminist heart wants to condemn everything about it. But damn it, it's actually really good in spite of everything.

Felix is a sad little man with a sad little super power, the ability to upgrade anything he owns. When he accidentally buys himself a slave, he discovers that this applies to other people as well. So he goes on a slave buying binge. WTH? A book that aims to make the idea of slavery a fun and silly plot device? Slaves that are magically bound to him? Slaves that happen to be attractive women?

Is it supposed to make it better that as Felix and his slaves grow their business, it is the women who take over the building and operation of the company? That they are treated well and that supposedly they are getting far more out of the arrangement than they are giving up? What a load of bull, but that's what the story tries to convey. Okay, it's fantasy, and Felix can magnify their super powers, give them new ones, heal them, and more. So what? That doesn't make the concept of slavery okay.

Then there's the cannibalism angle. Oh no, that's not a major plot point. It's just what they do with the remains of their enemies. Toss them in the sausage maker. No one is forced to eat the sausage. It's all voluntary. So I guess that's supposed to be okay too?

What makes me angriest about this book... is that it's a really fun read. It's good. It shouldn't be good.

god damn it i read that review too.
some people are so delusional its not even funny anymore.
these kinds of people are currently in positions of power. god damn it. not to mention its the best god damn book i read in ages.

What's the last book by a non-english author you've read and enjoyed?

roadside picnic.

Fuck off to your containment general you faggot.

deffo reading this tome now

That only wants me to read the book more.

>Magic realism is fantasy written by people who speak Spanish

Was he right?

>Mfw The Others or Children built The Wall
>Mfw Cold Hands is a semi-perfect version of what The Children or The Others want
>Mfw Wights aren't zombies but are people without souls
>Mfw The Children are going to use Bran's ability to warg to take over The Others and use their body to house all the souls of those in the weirwood to achieve immortality

feminists got all hissy about william d arand because of the otherlife books where he literally gives mc a harem of women + 3 goddesses who all constantly lust after his dick.
told them to fuck off.
while the first book series is not that good and mostly just more of the same if you read any "trapped in vidya" super sales is fucking great.
i recommend the audiobook too. its fantastically voiced.

Sffg: Solaris
Non-sffg: The three arched bridge

I'm writing a novel set in futuristic Berlin following a proxy war. The city is in a state of de jure autonomy and it features three main characters:

>Konstantin, member of the city's secret police. Pragmatist but also ruthless, risks his life when he deflects off the agency after discovering a plot that most of them were left out of.

>Theodore, influential person within the state who actually tries to "usurp" the leadership of the agency. His sense of justice often contradicts his moral compass.

>Wilhelm, leader of the NSPK, a resistance group whose goal is to "smash" the state.

The bulk of the novel's plot is the two groups trying to outsmart and outmaneuver eachother while Konstantin has the role of a trump card

>told them to fuck off.
Where did he do that?

Got the 3 Wolfe Moon pic user?

twitter i think. its been a while he didnt actually tell them to fuck off but refused to change his books in a kind of rude way.

>otherlife
>he literally gives mc a harem of women + 3 goddesses who all constantly lust after his dick
this sounds like complete shit

I just finished the second book of the south from the Black Company, and I must say both of them were pretty weak compared to the original trilogy

Do the books of the glittering stone get any better?

make a post about it on goodreads

its not complete shit but its err more of the same as any other litrpg.
after the series he admited it wasnt quite as good as he liked and he promised to change. which turned out is true because super sales is actually really good. and the litrpg elements are very minor and grouped up in one spot rather than coming up constantly.
you should skip the otherlife books but i honestly hope you give super sales a try. its honestly really good and the audiobook is fantastic its like the narrator actually gives a crap and puts in effort. it turned out really well.

Instrumentality?

>Overlook Press
>Bakker's latest book full of overlooked typos
lyl

I think George is going for an instrumentality ending but I think that's what The Children/The Others are trying to do, either preserve their culture through immortality or gain an unstoppable army and get revenge on the humans and first men ancestors for how they were treated. The Drowned God ritual probably has some connection to The Children and makes it easier for them to gain a host for a soul trapped in a Weirdwood.

>Who are your top 3 characters and why?

'Dandelion' from Witcher series, since he is the rare kind of sidekick that is not actually a total derp.

'Lopin' from 'Letopisy Vukogvazdské družiny' ... I highly doubt anyone here would know him, ... but if you do I'm pretty sure he is on your list. His inner growth throughout the story is magnificent and his punchlines are just awesome.

If Lovecraft counts as a sci-fi or fantasy than Nyarlathotep is my last pick. Mysterious, majestic and unpredictable. That's the spice.

>What makes a good character in your eyes?

The ability to surprise/astonish me.

Can anyone rec books like Dark Souls/Bloodborne? not saying this as a vidya fag. There's just something very serene about a protagonists that hardly say anything braving apocalyptic lands and slaying monsters ten times their size. Also lore that isn't fully explained and very mysterious so that the reader draws his own conclusions and doesn't get fed information.

Book of the New Sun
Pedro Paramo
The Night Land, a Story Retold

If felix can give abilities, why doesn't he give some slave the ability he has, so the slave could boost his stats? Or upgrade his ability so he could upgrade himself?

Regular old physicist here.

>The gravity force will not be "toward the middle of the ring's thickness" but toward the center (hole) of the ring.
Come on man, it's rotating. In the habitable middle region the centrifugal force would cancel out the radial gravitational component.

> because you would need something to counter the force every time it changes direction.
Gravity of the disk.

>Toward the outside of the ring, the rays would penetrate at a very low angle... This would make the atmosphere absorb most of the heat
That is a presumption that the star's oscillation amplitude is relatively small.

>tens of thousands
Actually much much more. The disk has a higher mass than the star itself, several times more. Everything is physically possible but it's nonetheless ridiculous because the amount of energy it would take to transmute several neighboring stars completely into heavier elements and then get them spinning around a small star like this.

Excerpt from Moorcock's When The Gods Laugh, 1961
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Something moved, slowly, menacingly in the clinging whiteness. Elric’s right hand whipped over to his left side and grasped the hilt of Stormbringer.

The blade shrieked out of its scabbard, a black fire gleaming along its length and alien power flowing from it into Elric’s arm and through his body. A weird, unholy light leapt into Elric’s crimson eyes and his mouth was wrenched into a hideous grin as he forced the frightened horse further into the skulking mist.

“Arioch, Lord of the Seven Darks, be with me now!” Elric yelled as he made out the shifting shape ahead of him. It was white, like the mist, yet somehow darker. It stretched high above Elric’s head. It was nearly ten feet tall and almost as broad. But it was still only an outline, seeming to have no face or limbs—only movement: darting, malevolent movement! But Arioch, his patron god, chose not to hear.

Elric could feel his horse’s great heart beating between his legs as the beast plunged forward under its rider’s iron control. Shaarilla was screaming something behind him, but he could not hear the words. Elric hacked at the white shape, but his sword met only mist and it howled angrily. The fear-crazed horse would go no further and Elric was forced to dismount.

“Keep hold of the steed,” he shouted behind him to Shaarilla and moved on light feet towards the darting shape which hovered ahead of him, blocking his path.

Now he could make out some of its saliencies. Two eyes, the colour of thin, yellow wine, were set high in the thing’s body, though it had no separate head. A mouthing, obscene slit, filled with fangs, lay just beneath the eyes. It had no nose or ears that Elric could see. Four appendages sprang from its upper parts and its lower body slithered along the ground, unsupported by any limbs. Elric’s eyes ached as he looked at it. It was incredibly disgusting to behold and its amorphous body gave off a stench of death and decay. Fighting down his fear, the albino inched forward warily, his sword held high to parry any thrust the thing might make with its arms. Elric recognized it from a description in one of his grimoires. It was a Mist Giant—possibly the only Mist Giant, Bellbane. Even the wisest wizards were uncertain how many existed—one or many. It was a ghoul of the swamp-lands which fed off the souls and the blood of men and beasts. But the Marshes of this Mist were far to the east of Bellbane’s reputed haunts.

Elric ceased to wonder why so few animals inhabited that stretch of the swamp. Overhead the sky was beginning to darken.

I felt the same way, the voice actor, Jeff Hays, fucking hard carried that shit though. A lesser voice actor and I'd have rated it a 10/100ish instead of like a 45/100.

Why I posted this, to show off Moorcock and Elric's strongest and most fun qualities: the anime-esque magic sword porn, the god-invoking pomp, the distinctive image of Elric, the fast-paced, direct and taut style of prose - which makes me feel like these stories could have been written in the 90s and 2000s.

All of the political allegories and existentialism is another matter.

>dustbringers, releasers

the lamest fucking names ever thought up for what is the most generic of flashy powers.

CAShill, is that you?

Yes. Elric's Melnibone/Immyr is a lot like CAS's Zothique in its decadence and cruelty, refined pleasure-seeking, slavery and tortures, but other than that they're very different authors. Well, I can't only read Clark Ashton Smith, but I still want to polish off all the Zothique stories before the end of the month.

Is Arthur Machen underrated? I see him praised by writers and other creatives but among readers he seems to rarely get mentioned along with Lovecraft, Chambers, Poe, Borges, CAS, Bierce, etc

I found his Penguin collection diverse. Some Conan Doyle esque stories with intercolutors and learned men discussing spooky things, then some WW1 propaganda stories and tall tales, then the White People which is a beguiling Virginia Woolfe-like stream-of-consciousness story that is insidiously creepy. He can write better than Hope Hodgeson but has not the degree of imagination - preferring to use folklore. If you like British folk tales you'll love him.

I powered through - more like burned through - Starship Troopers and found myself loving it despite disagreeing with its politics completely. It's gotta be the authentic style of a man who has seen both hard training and combat, loving and hating both.

I'm afraid to watch the film now though. I remember it quite clearly and I believe that satire aside it's pretty true to the style of the book. Should I rewatch it?

>It's gotta be the authentic style of a man who has seen both hard training and combat, loving and hating both.
Heinlein has seen neither

He was a libtard polygamist dipshit

post itt if you fell for this shitty meme

>WOMAN AUTHOR

The movie is at the very least entertaining and somewhat funny.

Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion stormnigger.

>womameme

Is it really bad? I was sort of interested because it won some awards, but it looked a bit generic with "muh super speshul but universally despised mc" and "muh castes"

>medic

Top kek

Not bad but generic as all fuck. You won't remember shit about it. I can't even remember what the MC's name was.

is metro 2033 realy worth $18 for mere entertainment value? it's not even past 500 pages.

I read the first two Dune books. I've heard the third is good and everything is bad after that, especially the stuff written by Herbert's son. Is this true?

>I was sort of interested because it won some awards
Avoid all modern books have won Hugos.

I'd just pick up 10-15 paperbacks for that price.

I've paused reading Messiah to read Book of the New Sun myself, but yes. Brian takes the Butlerian Jihad and absolutely fucking ruins it. Just takes a big, fat, slimy shit all over it and keeps pumping out those craps. He had to make prequels to explain his sequels which are another fat turd all over the message of Dune.

Strange&Norrell and Spin are good. Ender's game won too and that was fucking shit. Then there's Gaiman and fucking Rowling winning. And Scalzi for Red Shirts which is putrid garbage. It's hit or miss.

You absolutely have to read God Emperor. It's fucking bizarre and probably my favorite Dune novel barring the first one. Children of Dune can be a slot but it's worth it to get to the 4th book.
The direct sequels written by Herbert's son and the stars wars author are awful. The other spinoff books range from mediocre to good. The Road to Dune is definitely worth a read.

The Ring

20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

>Strange&Norrell

>Womameme author

No Longer Human

Card, Gaiaman and Scalzi are all fucking shit

You have some fucking shit taste.

What is the most mindfuckey sci-fi book you have ever read Veeky Forums?

inb4 blindsight

ubik

Gayman* but yes, that was my point. I quite liked Old Man's War but the sequels were shit.

Anansi's Boys is great muh man.

Ubik
5th head of Cerberus

He's the autist that admitted in some thread a few days back that he hasn't written one word since February, doesn't have the energy to read one chapter of anything and just chronically masturbates and shitposts here.

I'm pretty sure that he's the guy who keeps posting the blindsight pic with ....wow after it.

No I'm not
You think there's only one person on the planet who thinks female authors are garbage?

Slit your wrists

Oh I'm sure there are plenty of losers around and that the cover of anonimity makes you especially bold. Just know that you are a faggot and no one will ever take you seriously, incel.

>No I'm not
Yes you are shitposter kun

You know if you want to drool over roasties and whiteknight them constantly you can just go to reddit right?

With your amount of reddit spacing cancer shit I can imagine that you just came from that shithole yourself.

There you go buddy, the incel comes right out.

>>>r/incels/
>>>permavirginity

What reddit spacing you idiot?

Read over your original post you dyslexic retard.

Oh shit, separating the quote and my own greentext, what a reddit

Nice damage control you fucking newfag.

Stop feeding the faggot.

If you're calling someone a newfag for "reddit spacing", then you're the newfag here

>People should stop bullying me in my reddit spacespace mummy
Time to change your diapers honey.

>spacespace

>safesafe

The first three were good but I've got a soft spot in my heart for colonization stories.

Fuzzy Nation was a decent pastiche of a late 50s first encounter story as I recall. Redshirts was basically "The gang decides to win a Hugo" and wastes it's entire premise, the terrible anime ReCreators "anime is real and it's pissed about it" did it better.

>colonization stories

How's the 3 colours of Mard trilogy?

Pullman's book is out on mobilism
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>young adult
>female protag

YA is ideal for you if you find actual books too difficult to comprehend.

Asking again in this thread, where do I go to get a rewrite of the night land?

Lib gen is empty.

Source?

READ THE FUGGING IMAGE. Literally the first site I mentioned.

>Come on man, it's rotating. In the habitable middle region the centrifugal force would cancel out the radial gravitational component.
Did you just (correctly) assume my gender, friend?
I admit I was thinking about a ring rotating with the same angular velocity than earth, but with a higher velocity you're absolutely right

>Gravity of the disk.
True, but:
>That is a presumption that the star's oscillation amplitude is relatively small.
the amplitude of the oscillations would have to be minimal if the period must be around 1 day.

>Everything is physically possible but it's nonetheless ridiculous because the amount of energy it would take to transmute several neighboring stars completely into heavier elements and then get them spinning around a small star like this.
Imo the main point is that it would be unstable anyway.

>non-english
I assume you mean non english speaking? That would be Hard to be a God.

Gagner la Guerre, Jean-Philippe Jaworski
If you're proficient in french, I really recommend it. GRI approved, too.
No idea why it hasn't been translated into english yet.

See

dont forget shazbowl.
shazbowl was responsible for doubling traffic of Veeky Forums. especially /v/.
didnt help that it was officially facilitated and commentated on by the developers.

The Hundred thousand Kingdoms is one of the very few books I didn't finish.

>Is it really bad?
Yeah she's bad, but come on. At least give her human attributes.

Could you post a link?

As anons have said again and again, Broken Earth and Dreamblood 1 are her books worth reading.

Hundred Kingdoms is like all the distilled and most concentrated version of shounen anime cliches and power levels to ever walk this earth including futa shit, /ss/ etc.

The second book of the Broken Earth trilogy is probably the best shit she has written so far. The third book is technically good but quite unimaginative and something like an Evangelion end would have suited it better.

TBE is still really good and worth reading for Nassun and Schaffa.

jdownloader 2 beta to avoid having to click through the links.
It ain't hard.

AUDIOBOOK
WHEN