ITT: Irrefutable philosophers
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An epiphany about how Ayn Rand actually does possess an aspect of Dionysus in her writing occurred to me so I wish to continue this convo
ITT: Irrefutable philosophers
Nolan Anderson
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Blake Flores
What a coincidence, I just opened up Atlas Shrugged today.
The writing is so clumsy I couldn't get past the first page.
Luke Scott
Understand that Atlas is really just a mechanism to present her philosophy to the layman. All one really needs from Atlas is John Galt's Speech (optionally d'Anconia's money speech) It cointains the rawest essence of Objectivism.
I like to recommend it in audiobook by merits of Christopher Hurt's masterful performance. youtube.com
I still recommend actually getting into the book as some of the nuances of the atmosphere of the book can be lost to those that go straight into the speech.
The rest of the book is meant to set the stage for the speech but could have been condensed. Do yourself a favor and find an Atlas synopsis then listen to the speech in audiobook if you cannot abide Rand's style of fiction. FYI it is stylistically different from her nonfiction.
Robert Edwards
>is really just a mechanism to present her philosophy to the layman.
In other words, not even a bad novel, but not a novel at all.
Gavin Sullivan
It is a great novel. Just purposefully in a style that is digestible to the common man.
Joshua Bailey
Guy from previous thread here.
>An epiphany about how Ayn Rand actually does possess an aspect of Dionysus in her writing occurred to me
Oh? Do tell me. The only aspect of the Dionysian I noticed was perhaps the female characters trying to 'erode' the men. For example, Dominique doing her best to cause Roark a sense of anxiety by foiling his plans and Dagny not telling Readen who was her past lover, so that he becomes more forceful during sex.
It really seems to me that the only time Ayn Rand wants people to be passionate, outside of their work, is in bed.
Levi Wright
>Self-interest is good, but only when it also serves the Hobbesean collective interest.
The only reason this shit is "irrefutable" is because it already refutes itself.
Aiden Wright
Derrida and Ayn Rand are not very powerful on their own, but if combined they could form an intellectual powerhouse
Daniel Ramirez
>implying implications
If you were truly selfish, you'd understand that the system doesn't exist to protect 'the collective' but to protect your property, and not having such a system would hurt you more than it hurts others.
Only shortsighted idiots, like Stirner, don't care about property rights and societal laws.
Brody Foster
You should really read past her fiction an some of her nonfiction.
Some quotes:
"The motive of the anti-measurement attitude is obvious: it is the desire to preserve a sanctuary of the indeterminate for the benefit of the irrational—the desire, epistemologically, to escape from the responsibility of cognitive precision and wide-scale integration; and, metaphysically, the desire to escape from the absolutism of existence, of facts, of reality and, above all, of identity."
"Since an emotion is experienced as an immediate primary, but is, in fact, a complex, derivative sum, it permits men to practice one of the ugliest of psychological phenomena: rationalization. Rationalization is a cover-up, a process of providing one’s emotions with a false identity, of giving them spurious explanations and justifications—in order to hide one’s motives, not just from others, but primarily from oneself. The price of rationalizing is the hampering, the distortion and, ultimately, the destruction of one’s cognitive faculty. Rationalization is a process not of perceiving reality, but of attempting to make reality fit one’s emotions."
"Envy is regarded by most people as a petty, superficial emotion and, therefore, it serves as a semihuman cover for so inhuman an emotion that those who feel it seldom dare admit it even to themselves... That emotion is: hatred of the good for being the good. This hatred is not resentment against some prescribed view of the good with which one does not agree. . . . Hatred of the good for being the good means hatred of that which one regards as good by one’s own (conscious or subconscious) judgment. It means hatred of a person for possessing a value or virtue one regards as desirable. If a child wants to get good grades in school, but is unable or unwilling to achieve them and begins to hate the children who do, that is hatred of the good. If a man regards intelligence as a value, but is troubled by self-doubt and begins to hate the men he judges to be intelligent, that is hatred of the good."
Her aspect of Dionysus is not absent: it just isn't 50/50. I posit that she simply subordinates Dionyus to Apollo. I had more in my own words but my browser ate it. What do you think?