Am I the only one who irrationally hates people who say 1984/Brave New World/Fahrenheit 451 is their favourite book?

>rights aren't given to you by governments
Are you fucking dumb? How else are they enforced?

>having favourites

I love 1984 mostly because the ending is fucking hilarious. I loved the shit with the rats and knowing these retarded cunts would be put out of their misery soon kek.

>rights
>enforced
kek, I needed that laugh

So in other words, an allegory for the USSR, and its form of communism. Orwell famously defined himself as a "democratic socialist" - isn't that what you types call bourgeois and reactionary? I also don't see what that has to do with Australian labour movements.

>putting a U in favorites

ok mr liberal lafayette, time for me to encroach on your rights that the gubermand will punish me for doing so

Huh? Not even the Bolsheviks thought they'd reached communism? It's a goal that no one thought they would reach in their lifetime at the time of the revolution. Bolshevism was resisted by many of the Orthodox Marxists and Left because it was seen as opportunistic and harsh.

thanks for the (Yo)

Are you being pedantic? Your original claim was so vague and unverifiable that none of your complaints about it make sense.

If you are born in America you are born a native citizen and your inborn rights are recognized, not defined. The government guarantees these rights, it does not grant them or "enforce" them. The federal government of the USA has been shitting it up lately, though, taking advantage of the public's ignorance which you are so thoughtfully presenting. Pic related, for an example. Fourth Amendment has also been routinely violated by domestic surveillance via secret FISA warrants. Second Amendment has been limited quite a bit, with some good reason, but it is poorly worded to begin with.

And, if you haven't noticed, lots of the labour movement in Australia was carried out by far-leftists who wanted class war. The IWW were biggest in Australia, and they're akin to the anarcho-syndicalists in Spain, which Orwell fought for. Just look at this crazy ol' cobber, Monty Miller.

Why does this always happen?

>clarify terms because they've become meaningless from a century of Cold War propaganda
>hurr durr pedantic ideologue jargon

It's annoying to equate communism - a highly advanced stateless global community without scarcity - to what the Soviet Union was, which never even said it had reached communism. I'm gonna leave out all the criticisms that it wasn't even socialist though. It's even more annoying when you're saying that a satire about a political event is actually about all of socialism and socialist thought.

>an allegory for the USSR
yes.
>its form of communism
Its form of goverment.
FFY.

Secret FISA warrants?
You mean that the government gets permission from the Attorney General to receive a warrant to put someone under surveillance?
How is that different from police getting a search warrant from a judge?
Or do you want them to hold a press conference that they received a warrant to put a possible terror group sympathizer under surveillance?

I didn't say shit about "ideologue jargon" - your original claim that "Australia teaches Animal Farm as an allegory for communism" is retarded - and then "because socialist undercurrents" is complete non-sequitir.

>without scarcity

Laughable if it wasn't so sad. A dream that killed and enslaved millions. Even now millions are held prisoner in that bountiful land, North Korea.

I can't fucking wait until robots replace us all. Maybe then I'll get a basic income and can smoke doobies all day.

I said EVEN THOUGH we have socialist undercurrents. I'm saying that there's Cold War era propaganda here, in spite of how left-leaning we are.

I think my English teacher asked me if I would want to share all my shit under a communist society after we read Animal Farm. Show me one definition of communism where you have to give your shit away? You literally have to work with others in order to get something you want.

>I say that communism would need a globalised society without nation states to get rid of scarcity
>HAHA THE MILITARISED NATION STATE NORTH KOREA THO

>workers movements have socialist ties/undercurrents
>wow i guess we r left-lening.. cuntry
?

>one teacher says something retarded
>FUNNY HOW AUSTRALIA TEACHES THIS EVEN THOUGH WE ARE COMMIES?

We are left-leaning. Even Lenin admired our labour unions that were some of the biggest in the world. When someone tried to ban the Communist Party of Australia, the people said 'no'.

I'm saying that American influence here is strong, I guess.

>Attorney General
You mean the brainlet who approved a program to flood Mexico with American weapons as a way of tracking cartel channels? And then we are shocked (shocked!) when those weapons are sold back inside our borders and used to kill Americans? Unreliable, and the burden of protecting our rights cannot be placed on a single person. That's what the Constitution is for.

>secret courts
>How is that different from police getting a search warrant from a judge?
The secret nature of these courts, ya dingus. The government says you can't bring a case against them because you can't prove you were harmed by their intrusion. This is a bad precident that needs to be corrected. It is bad stewardship and the method of surveillance is unconstitutional. Sorry, you can't argue this with me.

>hold a press conference
Don't be stupid. That's the sort of brainless shit that made our years of "GWOT" useless.

>Show me one definition of communism where you have to give your shit away?

It's called collectivization, peasant. Now move to the city and give us your farm or be shot in the head and used for mulch.

>Now move to the city and give us your farm or be shot in the head and used for mulch.

funny , that was what the industrial revolution did. People hated factories, but they were pushed to them.

That someone being Menzies - one of his principal political mistakes, quite out of character and set a poor standard for Australian conservatism. Might be overestimating the impact to say that anticommunist-like mentality has regrettably been inherited, but that's how it feels.
Opposition to banning the Communist party is not necessarily an indication of political sympathy - though it does imply less antagonism. I don't know, I think it is optimistic of you to characterise Australia as "left-leaning". I think it's too difficult to characterise entire nations and their politics as either left or right-leaning - a big global standard of what counts as left-wing, right-wing, revolutionary, conservative, reactionary and liberal will only be paradoxical and at odds with itself.

>I'm saying that American influence here is strong, I guess.
A brand new non-sequitir. How do you mean user?

>he thinks 20th century Russia could have transitioned from feudalism peacefully

>People hated factories, but they were pushed to them
because of economic circumstances, a margin of ethical difference between that and government order.

No, not the same. Industrial revolution was an unstoppable force, but mostly humane. Blake's "Satanic mills" put old-fashioned millers out of business by outproducing them at a lower cost. Property owners were driven out of the market, not shot dead. You make an interesting comparison though.

industrialisation everywhere... was state sanctioned...? Who do you think stole or protected land and then let the rich industrialise their shit all over it?

>Property owners were driven out of the market, not shot dead.

Oh the official version is always so cute.

Aside from the American Civil War and the robber barons, industrialization was relatively bloodless. Certainly not even close to the scale seen in Russia.

>industrialization was relatively bloodless
>not like when Russia industrialized

Count me, brother.

I know you're just baiting but I don't want anyone to be misled.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union

>In the early 1930s over 91% of agricultural land became "collectivized" as rural households entered collective farms with their land, livestock, and other assets. The sweeping collectivization often involved tremendous human and social costs. Recent historians have estimated the death toll in the range of six to 13 million.

6-13 million is nowhere near American deaths due to industrialization in the 19th century. We lost ~600,000 in the Civil War and some tens of thousands by economic forces due to robber barons. A few barns burned, a few creeks dammed. The forced removal and native resettlement was another atrocity that cost tens of thousands of lives. Still nowhere near the inhuman machinery that was Soviet program.

Read a book about industrialist land grabs and the consequential god awful working conditions in cities in England in particular, cataloguing disgusting suffering.
Seriously been chugging that capitalist kool-aid if you think industrialisation was not catastrophic for living conditions of the new urban working class.