HOW DID PHILOSOPHY CHANGE YOU?

Ligotti has ruined my life. Either that or he will point me in the direction of ego-death.

>reading Plato as a child

intense

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stop using the words "fag" "cocksucker" "normie" and "normalfag" so much. it's not a good look

>We love eloquence for it's own sake, and not for any truth which it may utter, or any heroism it may inspire.

Stoics changed me. Then Nietzsche changed me, he made me manic. Then I realized Nietzsche was a fucking retard in many ways.

inb4 slave morality
Slave morality is best morality. And if you're on Veeky Forums, you're not even remotely Overman.

>cocksucker
Have you not seen Deadwood, though?
The script elevates the use of Cocksucker to the highest levels.

>HOW DID PHILOSOPHY CHANGE YOU?
It made me realize that revered people with legendary reputations as great thinkers can make fundamental nickel and dime mistakes in logic, facts, and general reasoning. I never looked at 'experts,' 'leaders,' or 'geniuses' the same way after reading a few philosophy books as a young teenager. It was a major revelation.

I read up on Stoicism because it sounded like it was good, and similar to what I already believed
it turns out the degree they take it to is too autistic for me (a literal autist), the side-beliefs they have don't appeal to me, and they don't seem to have anything really interesting or useful to say that stems from their beliefs
maybe I didn't read enough but overall I'm pretty sure it's not for me
I looked at Cynicism a bit too and it wasn't for me either
neither is straight-up scientism, although it forms part of what I believe
I can't remember the string of terms that best fits me

Why not read up on all philosophies and take from each what best fits your own life and works best for you?

>I can't remember the string of terms that best fits me

'disaffected new atheist'

forgot to summarize: it didn't really change me

nah I believe there's a higher power, I'm just not big on Biblical literalism like I used to be
I tried that, spent a few days, nothing struck me all that much, maybe one or two
I just looked around a bit now and I think I like Utilitarianism and Pragmatism, but I'd have to look into them deeper, there are always weird side-beliefs, IDK why there can't be some philosophies that are just one stance on one issue

>I'm just not big on Biblical literalism like I used to be

embrace Biblical historicism
Become Orthodox

>bible: taught me good morals as a child
>sagan: justified my teenage atheism
>r.a.w.: made me a slacker and a loser
>vaneigem: got me laid
>camus: caused me to take up smoking cigs
>mckenna: caused me to take up smoking weed
>watts: caused me to take up drinking
>huxley: caused me to take up psychedelics
>mckenna: caused me to take up pot
>plato: inspired me (via Socrates) to pursue philosophy in university
>hume: fun to talk about on pot
>berkeley: fun to talk about on psychedelics
>nietzsche: precipitated my mental breakdown
>buddha: saved me from utter depravity
>patanjal: taught me the restriction of fluctuations of the mind
>lao tzu: taught me slacking without slacking
>hegel: granted me vision of the dialectic
>solovyov: restored my faith in love
>hadot: helped me practice philosophy better
>uzdavinys: helped me understand philosophy better
>tomberg: brought me back to catholicism

>camus: caused me to take up smoking cigs
>mckenna: caused me to take up smoking weed
>watts: caused me to take up drinking
>huxley: caused me to take up psychedelics
>mckenna: caused me to take up pot

Sounds like you just had mental problems.

Why did your image get deleted? Our fellow whites get way too much credit for having a sense of humor. So thin-skinned.

Seriously? Cause it did the exact opposite for me. Thought I do wish for that naiveity somedays.

>Thought I do wish for that naiveity somedays.

I've thought about it but I can't get on board with the worship of icons, I already think the Catholics praying to saints is not quite right

Orthodox Christians only worship God. When icons are venerated, we are venerating what they represent, and in that veneration giving glory to God.

>Concerning the charge of idolatry: Icons are not idols but symbols, therefore when an Orthodox venerates an icon, he is not guilty of idolatry. He is not worshipping the symbol, but merely venerating it. Such veneration is not directed toward wood, or paint or stone, but towards the person depicted. Therefore relative honor is shown to material objects, but worship is due to God alone.

>We do not make obeisance to the nature of wood, but we revere and do obeisance to Him who was crucified on the Cross... When the two beams of the Cross are joined together I adore the figure because of Christ who was crucified on the Cross, but if the beams are separated, I throw them away and burn them. —St. John of Damascus

>trying to use philosophy to fulfill your secret hopes for your being

>trying to use philosophy as leaven in the dead, sour, stinking loaf that is your life

>trying to use philosophy to be more interesting

>trying to find direction in modern life using philosophy

ISHYGDDT

(Not the guy you're replying to)

>Orthodox Christians only worship God. When icons are venerated, we are venerating what they represent, and in that veneration giving glory to God.

If all the world is a manifestation of God, and I take the world to be so, and I recall that each thing points to God by its very being, and then roll around in dirt, casinos, smut, porno, drugs, bars and whore houses every day I can scrape the coin together, and indulge in such habits with the full knowledge that each thing in its being testifies to the Transcendent God Who Is, then is that idolatry?

>If all the world is a manifestation of God

This isn't an Orthodox belief.

Do correct me

It helped me cope with living with suicidal urges

Are they actually suicidal or do you just desperately need other human beings?

What would you like to know?

Is the world a part of God or a thing separate from God, or is it neither?

Empedocles made me a vegetarian and Symposium made me gay
Other than that, not much.

Becoming a Gay Vegetarian is like joining the Marines.

What should I turn to instead then

>inb4 just go out there and see the world brah

The world is separate from God.

You know when you have an itch on your leg driving you crazy? I periodically get something like that except in my brain which a bullet can totally scratch.

You have to start by learning you're full of shit. We have to destroy everything you know about yourself because it comes from Television and the Internet (which comes from Television).

Don't you ever dare hope for fame and success again.

Is the world essentially separate from God or causally separate from God? Where does God stop and the world begin? At Creation?

It made me realize that LIBERALS and WOMEN are inferior and also made me realize that science is retarded because they don't understand metaphysical truths

That's a dangerous hang up. Do you think some people are prone to suicide and others are not, based on their "personality" ?

>science is retarded

It seems you've moved a little too far in the opposite direction. Are you sure Philosophy did that and not YouTube?

>fame and success

Boi I just want to stop this crushing sense of despair

Or does that fall under "success"

You want to stop "this crushing sense of despair' but for now you have enough downtime to post on Veeky Forums?

What the fuck is wrong with you, do you want your crushing despair to be taken seriously or not? How am I supposed to take it seriously when you don't?

>Where does God stop and the world begin?

God indwells all things, 'in Him we live and move and have our being.'

>Is the world essentially separate from God or causally separate from God?

What do you mean by 'essentially separate' and 'causally separate'? It sounds like a good way to ask it, but I'm not familiar with the terms.

I've never been religious but Leibniz's arguments sure got my almonds activated

I don't even understand what you're getting at here. Do you think that unhappy people have no "downtime"?

OK but why? why do Orthodox and Catholics feel the need to venerate men as part of their worship?

(Different person) the 'separate' term is hard for me to understand. Do you mean 'of the same substance'? 'In a different dimension'? In different universes that exist side by side? I'm not saying that the material world is evil, but if we consider it exponentially less good as compared with God's world (reality or cosmos), why do transendentalists reject the possibility of the material world being an emanation of God's reality (if they do, I'm not really sure of transcendentalists' terminology)?

It seems to me like you've never pondered the question, "What is the difference between God and the World?"

Since you've never asked that question you can't describe what idolatry is. It sounds like you have rehearsed, pre-canned opinions about controversial buzzwords.

Therefore I don't take your faith seriously.

Is your suffering front and center for your being or not? If you can put your suffering aside for hours at a time and be vaguely alive, then what does that say about your suffering?

Does your suffering have to be present for you to feel truly yourself? Are you able to be an authentic being if you identify with your suffering but avoid it at all costs?

Who is that who suffers? You? Is that you over there suffering your specific suffering, the one that nobody in the universe can name or know but you? Is that the central conflict to your life?

Then why do you spend most of your time avoiding that suffering, trying to drive it away and ameliorate it with music and noise? Are you avoiding being you?

Or is the central conflict in your life the mere fact that you won't face that suffering squarely?

Patrician Taste user.

Thomas Hobbes is a fucking meme

the side-beliefs they have don't appeal to me, and they don't seem to have anything really interesting or useful to say that stems from their beliefs

That's where you erred user. They don't have any philosophical proposition that is mind blowing at all. Their philosophy is much more about a way to live, and this philosophy is only realized if you actually live by their teachings.

>solovyov

What is this faggot about?

>this isn't even possible
stop kidding yourself

I did it for several years and it ruined my life. Turns out if you're doing something stupid and you don't care, you're an idiot.

I thought you were not in favor of philosophy...

Their simplicity made the early dialogues very immersive. My first reading from Apology to Crito and Phaedo knowing that Socrates will be executed was intense.

"Don't Pay Attention to the Internet" says Man on Internet, more on page 5

you don't understand how depression works, it takes away your drive and drive energy along with your happiness and sense of fulfillment and purpose

We don't honor the flesh of the saints, rather God in them.

"But we are bound to thank God always for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because from the beginning of time God chose you to find salvation in the Spirit that consecrates you, and in the truth that you believe. It was for this that He called you through the Gospel we brought, so that you might possess for your own the splendor of our Lord Jesus Christ" (2Th2:13-14).

>I did it for several years and it ruined my life. Turns out if you're doing something stupid and you don't care, you're an idiot.

Not knowing that you can act and live without caring of others' opinions, all the while being completely ethical and principled in your actions, and having compassion and respect for all others without taking their normalfag opinions on account.

Fucking normie.

I'm not in favor of philosophy if it means putting glitter and rhinestones on your persona.

Alright man, I was giving measured answers according to my ability so as to not misrepresent Orthodoxy or mislead you. Maybe you thought I was being terse or dismissive.

I don't get how this is possible. If you read philosophy, you will discover our inability to justify belief or even define knowledge. Our attempts to justify even the most basic knowledge claims are laughable. We are a pretty long way from figuring out how to justify something as extravagant as religious belief.

This is Veeky Forums, there's a 7/10 chance any given poster has depression.

And I strongly disagree that the other 3/10 just can't possibly comprehend your DSM bullet points, or lack the imagination or empathy necessary to conceive of what such bullet points might entail.

Now, I am either among the 7/10 or the 3/10, either having depression myself or capable of ascertaining certain aspects of it.

Perchance both, all depressions not being equal.

Oh. Well I definitely misunderstood you. I've just been thinking of delving into philosophy lately because I think it could help me with my self-control issues, which I believe form the basis of all my troubles. I'm hoping to get into a more disciplined, ascetic way of living.

>process druids

I lost it

>That's where you erred user. They don't have any philosophical proposition that is mind blowing at all.
I didn't say there was anything mind-blowing, that's part of the problem
>Their philosophy is much more about a way to live, and this philosophy is only realized if you actually live by their teachings.
that's nice and valid and all, but their proposed way of living is legitimately fucking autistic
the level of detachment they say you should have (or try to have), even considering that it's just about negative things, is the kind of thing you see in autistics and sociopaths
I did put it into practice when I was younger, without knowing about it (because I am autistic), and it made everyone see me as cold and uncaring, because surprise! it's really hard to apply it just to negative things and not also some positive and neutral things

Yeah, the problem here is that you are LITERALLY fucking autistic. Please KYS

The stoics propose you to do these things (that may sound somewhat autistic) but do not make you autistic by itself. It is supposed to be for people who understand emotions and the World and can control them, not autistic fags like you that don't show emotion because of autism.

Please reconsider your life.

>please dont bully me
>I dont give a fuck what anyone thinks

Sounds like you should focus all of your efforts on logic from here on out.

Fuck off and die user.

but again, why? other sects and other religions are content with honoring the divine alone, not this and that aspect and this and that manifestation of the divine
it just feels like putting people on a pedestal, maybe not the same pedestal as God, but a pretty high pedestal all the same; and you're doing that when you don't always know for sure if they deserve it, or what they were really like, or if God will show you any particular favor for it (while knowing your fellow worshipers will see you as a good person for it), and I don't want to harp on the point too much, but also using a visual aid
a visual aid for worship and praise and guidance and appreciation
shouldn't those things come from within, or from the Bible, or from a trusted friend or family member or priest?

The avoidance of stress and pain is a pit that pulls you in. Man can't develop his body without tearing the muscles to regrow them.

>philosophy bro
>come at me bro

Sounds like you should focus all your efforts on actually reading from here on out.

dude, if I can't achieve their ideal (or more to the point, don't want to), then I really doubt a normal person can
it's a great idea in theory, but like so many great ideas it's just not feasible

>dude

Fuck off normalfag and don't come back

Stoicism is feasible, it's just that you are a retarded autistic normalfag

I understand advaita vedanta.

also how am I supposed to reconsider my life? I mean seriously what parts do I reconsider, and in what way?

It seems you've moved a little too far from redd*t you fucking faggot

I don't even know what you're claiming any more or if you're serious

>being this much of a newfag

You are literally autistic so GTFO.

Just fuck off and don't come back

How long have you been on Veeky Forums, 4 weeks?

Your concerns are legitimate. I wish there was a way to say that without sounding patronizing, because I don't mean it that way. It's good to be careful when it comes to topics this serious. The best way I can think of to answer your concerns is to recommend you visit an Orthodox church sometime, just to see what it's like. Not with an expectation that you'll become a convert. A lot of people, myself included, expect it to be a lot more alien than it actually is. Like if you're not used to censers and icons and just read about them online, they can start to seem larger than life, and even bizarre.

We all honor people in our lives, as well as those who have passed on. Our grandparents, military heroes, artists, composers, etc. How much more should we honor those who were filled with the Holy Spirit? And how much more righteous is it to honor someone when we honor them not for their worldly accomplishments, but because of their closeness to God? We don't put the Apostle Paul on a pedestal, we honor his life in Christ. We know it pleases God when we honor His works, though we don't expect any favors for it. As for what's within, the Orthodox Church has an incredibly rich tradition when it comes to cultivating a 'prayer of the heart'. Paul's command to 'pray without ceasing' is at the center of Orthodox life. As is community. Scripture is of course seen as authoritative. The beauty of Orthodoxy is that it has all these things. Icons aren't a replacement for anything, they're 'in addition to'.

yea, but then you also realize the same about science and post-enlightenment rationalism and find that religion does have a lot of internal self-consistency

It seems this template is tired, but it seems too I've touched a nerve.

HEEEEEEEE heeeeeeeeeeee

why don't you go read some more Wikipedia and watch some more Joe Rogan, faggot?

>tfw OP but don't understand where the discussion is going

WTF?

Vegetarian cuz
>muh qualia

Also, it's made me much less dogmatic when it comes to politics.

I now know that I am the only one, and I know the difference between a concept and an object, which is something that seems to evade many people who do not read

>he doesn't even notice that a phrase like "less dogmatic" carries inherent value in the current zeitgeist

>He's a vegetarian but he doesn't go around looking for cold squirrels to put blankets on in the winter

Did it make you have a healthier diet too? Did philosophy make you less uncomfortable speaking to people? Did it get you the job?

>I now know that I am the only one

The other day someone on Veeky Forums was trying to explain why they were God, no irony or schizophrenia detected.

I'm putting you in their camp, Mr. Atman.

>>He's a vegetarian but he doesn't go around looking for cold squirrels to put blankets on in the winter

Got me.
I said it's because of qualia, I don't care what squirrels get up to in their natural habitat. I don't care if they get eaten or hit by a car, it's not my fault. Not everyone who boycotts something needs to be a fucking jihadist for the cause. Not to mention the fact that plenty of greenhouse gases are contributed by the production of animal products.

>>he doesn't even notice that a phrase like "less dogmatic" carries inherent value in the current zeitgeist

Maybe, I just meant that I actually assess other people's arguments now rather than call them a revisionist or liberal kulak.

>Did it make you have a healthier diet too?

Yeah. I do feel better. Not really a dualist now because I care about my body.

Philosophy is about 'how to live properly'. I don't know why faggots like you like to reduce any life philosophy to School of Life tier self-help.

This is silly. Do you understand the psychological concept of the other?

about 6 years

>Sounds like you just had mental problems
I know I’m not normal. But I am sure more fools than i were lured into drug abuse by smooth-talking post-modernists.
I deleted it myself. Sorry.
>>solovyov
>What is this faggot about?
— A Russian Christian of Sophiological bent. Influenced Tolstoy and Dostoevsky.

Are you fags posting in the right board???

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