*notices your post about God*

>Stupid Christians you can't decide what your own religious texts mean, we'll decide what they mean for you

So? If the only people arguing for God's existence were Christian it still wouldn't make the bible relevant to the philosophical question of Gods existence.

(Nature) is transcendent and immanent. (Nature) is ineffable in (its) essence but apprehendable through (its) energies and manifestations and works.

>(Nature) is transcendent
How is that?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturphilosophie#Outline_of_development

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_idealism

>x = [snip]
>oh yeah well y = x
>now y = [snip]
>btfo
literally not an argument

>the only people qualified to interpret a text are those who approach it with the presupposition that it contains universal truth and who will twist passages in any way necessary to make it agree with their ideas

it wasn't supposed to be, unless you are arguing that the words aren't interchangeable

>the only people qualified to interpret a text are those who approach it with the presupposition that it is false and who will twist passages in any way necessary to make it refute people who believe it is true

Atheists don't suppose that every word in the Bible is false though. Just the ridiculous stuff that you would immediately discount if it came from any other text.

>Just the ridiculous stuff that you would immediately discount if it came from any other text.
My point is proven.

You know some top minds are at it when half the posts in a thread are greentext.

>implying

Up until a few centuries ago Christian scholars were still buying the meme that the whole Pentateuch was written entirely by Moses. That tells you all you need to know about Christians' ability to critically examine their own religious texts.

>Just the ridiculous stuff that you would immediately discount if it came from any other text.
Yeah, right? I mean who the fuck would believe that Jesus was a real person who actually claimed to be the Son of God, if he existed at all (unlikely) he was just a good teacher and his followers later twisted his words-
>tacitus
W-well but do you really think a guy named "Jehu" actually existed and ruled the Israelites? That would imply that the Israelites were a kingdon? That's just stupid and unfounded and no self-respecting archaeologist-
>shalmaneser iii obelisk
Eheheh we were just kidding ecks dee but definitely David doesn't real I mean come on that was a long time ago and the Hebrews just invented him to explain their beginni-
>tel-dan inscription
Anyone else getting tired of watching atheists get BTFO all the time?

>Anyone else getting tired of watching atheists get BTFO all the time?

I'm sincerely interested in why it's, other than out of disrupting tradition, unacceptable to interchange Nature and God in a sentence

And yet it remains their text to which meaning is imbued by their community. Your interpretation of it simply doesn't matter. If they think it is written by Moses then it is written by Moses.

>similar shitpost = samefag
I don't know and I don't care, stop pretending to know shit about religious history

How many stories do you believe of dead people coming back to life after days outside of the Bible? If a handful of people said they knew some people who saw a guy rise from the dead, would you believe it? Hold on, before you answer, what if they provided a reliable source saying the guy in question had actually existed? Although they can't prove he came back to life. Also these people are members of a cult that worships this guy.

What if you're /x/-tier and believe in the supernatural? The Bible becomes much easier to take seriously then.

>why unacceptable to interchange the transient, contingent, ever changing, multiplicity of mindless material Nature with the transcendent, unchanging, permanent, uncontingent, undifferentiated unity of intelligent immaterial God
>why isn't beauty ugliness?
>why isn't truth a lie?
>why isn't odd even?
Gee I dunno, why does billy get two hot dogs and you only get one?

>How many stories do you believe of dead people coming back to life after days outside of the Bible?
There are various Saints who resurrected the dead.

>If they think it is written by Moses then it is written by Moses.
Christfags, everyone.

>Thinking religious texts have a meaning outside of religious use

>mindless material Nature
making a lot of implications there friend

>Up until a few centuries ago Christian scholars were still buying the meme that the whole Pentateuch was written entirely by Moses.
What was the reason in, say, the year 1500, to believe it was not written by Moses?

ah, so it really is "muh words muh feelz" with you people

>*snort*
>Not an argument!
>*posts logical fallacy chart*

>heh words have meaning to you guys? didn't you know words are just arbitrary language games and uhhh im gonna go fap to tranny anime porn see ya suckers
enjoy the fruits of relativisim, nihilism and atheism and nominalism....not that you know what any of these words mean.

If capital-N Nature embodies the same characteristics as God, why would you have trouble believing in God?

The same reasons scholars now believe it wasn't. It tells redundant and often contradictory versions of the same stories, the style of writing varies a lot, it features the death of Moses, etc.

>It tells redundant and often contradictory versions of the same stories, the style of writing varies a lot,
No human would ever write different versions of a story or change writing styles.
>it features the death of Moses, etc.
So? Besides, the idea that that may have been written by someone else has existed since the Patristic era.

going back to some sincere discourse, which I thank you for, I would have have two answers to that question depending on how much you want to split hairs

one would be: of course I have no trouble believing in Nature/God then

second one would be: does my belief really play into the affairs of things?

If it does I would become suspicious of Nature/God as transcendent, if it doesn't then such a transcendent principle should have no problem occurring in the background without my participation in cultural games

thoughts on this?