Masculinity

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Here you are OP.

This and this. Stop being a wailing shitstain and be the change you want to see in the world, insufferable faggot.

This, it is beyond pathetic

On the off chance that this is serious: do what I do. Volunteer at soup kitchens, homeless shelters food pantries, etc. Don't read it, do it.

Its not hard mate. Take good care of your mind body and soul. Be strong and courageous, slay dragons, but be kind, cheerful, generous and loving at the same time.

Read this:
amazon.com/Brothers-Price-Wen-Spencer-ebook/dp/B000OIZU1M

I already workout, but thanks for the recommendation

I'll not take the bait from leftists in this thread, I dont want it to become political, y'all faggots need to move on buzzfeed or twitter

>he is asking for an alternative media (cf books) about masculinity
>"hurr durr just go out"

You don't get better at Tennis by reading about it dumbo.

>everyone who disagrees with and criticizes with me is a leftist :((

You're a fucking moron. Stop acting like a child and take into consideration what others are saying.

The fact you harbor so much hatred towards a vague group is pathetic. There is no leftist propaganda. No one's out to get you user.

exactly! your belief that your are the victim of a leftist conspiracy to steal your manliness is precisely why you can never be a man. no matter what you do there will always be this gap between what you are and what you imagine the leftists are preventing you from becoming. you're always going to be a crying little victim.

The fact that you need to ask has already shown that you've failed.

what is this board about you disgusting cumstain ?

>wanting to be more masculine is bad
>reading about masculinity is bad
>you are either highly masculine already or should just give up

Either soyboy leftists or jews

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>leftist degeneracy propaganda

>I'M not a man because leftist propaganda

Wrong. You're not a man because of low test

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>I'll not take the bait from leftists in this thread

but you are, because you must. without the leftists, who would you blame for the sorry state of your life? who are you if not a victim?

This. Do you think any of the writers listed here whined about "soyboys" sapping masculinity? You've already failed and it's embarrassing.

The stars the snow the fire

About a trapper that lives alone in his Alaskan blockhouse for two decades.

Literature. Just say you want to read books about masculinity and go, don't pretend you'll grow chest hair because you read a bit of Hemmingway.

Reading about masculinity isn't bad you drooling mouthbreather, but thinking that reading about masculinity will be effective in countering """leftist propaganda""" is pure delusion.

Well, reading about biomechanics and nutrition won't make you an athlete either, but athletes still read theory, you retarded fuck

>athletes still read theory

>implying that athletes don't have knowledge about theory of nutrition and biomechanics

You know what's definitely NOT masculine? Whining and flinging insults. Real men are stoic. Real men don't try to feel better about themselves by comparing themselves to the worst elements of society, they compare themselves to great men and try to see how they fall short, and how they can improve themselves. The first step is disconnecting yourself from the political shit-flinging contest.

>reading a book about masculinity written by a literal tranny

>There is no leftist propaganda
You'd have to be blind to not see that the majority of mass media outlets are pushing a "progressive" neoliberalism. Really just an excuse for capitalism to benevolently ransack more shit.

They don't. They have personal coaches, nutritionists and doctors. People who read about "theory of nutrition and biomechanics" are skinnyfat virtue-signalling crossfiters and jogging women with cellulite chugging kale smoothies. Similarly how "masculine literature" is mostly the remit of angry fatherless beta faggots with victim complex.

op is not trying to do anything as prosaic as winning a race. he imagines himself to be a victim of vampirism and wants his vital essence back. "which books do i read to regain my stolen masculinity" is a fundamentally delusional question, like "which sports car will make me young again".

>athletes need coaches and nutritionists to tell them how to become better athletes, and it's ok
>if you're a man and seek a role-model as inspiration to become a better man, you're a pathetic embarassing failure

What is masculinity anyway

so you're saying that op's masculinity was stolen by centrist liberal-capitalists? the plot thickens. where in the world are op's balls?

He didn't ask for books to "regain his stolen life essence", but for literary resources on masculinity. You're projecting so hard it shouldn't even be possible

Go ask your dad.
Oh right he is a failure like you

s-source? I already used saucenao

>masculinity is "proficiency at being a man"
Great selfie.

Read Lacan and Marx, they're totally masc but not in a gay way

and yet he's incapable of explaining this without first establishing himself as a victim of leftist conspiracy and cries about leftist subversion in response to all detractors. this isn't rocket science. also, you don't know what projection is.

>Phallic jouissance is that form of enjoyment that most of us experience most of the time; that is to say, just when we think we possess our object of desire - be that another person, a new possession or even a difficult idea we have been struggling to get hold of - we are still dissatisfied; we are disappointed and have a sense that our desire has not been fully satisfied. This sense of (dis)satisfaction that always leaves something wanting is precisely what Lacan calls phallic jouissance and defines the masculine structure. A masculine structure is characterized by turning the Other into an objet a, and mistakenly thinking that the object can fully satisfy our desire. It is essential to keep in mind here, though, that phallic jouissance is not male in the sense that only men can experience it; it is experienced by both men and women and is defined as phallic insofar as it is characterized by failure.

ok OP, here is what I understand as masculinity:

one of the most important things is having strict values. The reason why you can """build your masculinity""" reading books specifically about this is that although all manly, masculine characters from different medias (movies, series, books, etc) have strict values, their values are different, this is why reading philosophy books or books like Revolt against the modern world are better options, because from them, you build your own values. What those guys have in common is that their values, although different, are INFLEXIBLE, just as their word.

This, for me, is the very foundation of being a man. If a man fucks up once and his words are betrayed by his actions, the respect of people around him will constantly decline. You can literally be a skinny dyel, if you have strong words, strong inflexible values, you are already halfway there, and trust me, people do notice shit like that, especially your family.

aside from that, yeah, try and take care of your mind, body and soul as other user said, looking healthy and stable is very important, just as being fair, being generous with those that deserve and and ruthless for those that deserve.

>The reason why you ***can'T*** """build your masculinity"""

The more you try to "act like a man" the more you become a simulacra of it.

>"Here is what I understand as masculinity"
>Lists things women can also do

Nice job you fucking retard

Masculinity is, pretty much, the proficiency at being a man.

OK, I'm not OP so I won't make attempts at reading his mind.
I think we can both agree though, that masculinity is primarily the result of experience, but it's still highly beneficial to have role models and an educated understanding on what "masculinity" means as a concept and an archetype.

Hemingway.

A Farewell to Arms
The Sun Also Rises
The Old Man and the Sea
A Moveable Feast
For Whom the Bell Tolls
To Have and Have Not

tell me what about masculinity a woman cannot do.

>I dont want it to become political
>im fucking tired of this leftist degeneracy propaganda everywhere on the modern media

so masculinity is being extremely committed to a set of values but the values itself are arbitrary? then from now on i will be incredibly, inflexibly committed to always wearing a pink dress. i will NEVER be seen in anything but a pink dress. i wonder how long it will take my family to notice my newfound manliness.

fashion is not a value

This guy is right. Reading about the person you want to be won't solve anything itself. Turn yourself into the person you want to be. Sure you can use books about masculinity for motivation, but without taking pride in who you are in real life you won't go anywhere.

>what is aesthethics

This is untrue, there are and have been athletes who were self-coached to a high level of success.

I myself had a terrible coach in high school track. I made my own workouts and just told my coach what I was doing for the day, and I finished high school with three state championships.

Suck it faggot.

That's not masculine, it's actually quite feminine

Seriously

>I won't make attempts at reading his mind.
try reading posts instead

>I think we can both agree though, that masculinity is primarily the result of...

masculinity is experienced through lack. you're confusing causes with results. you want these books, role models etc in the hope of closing a gap that can never be closed. masculinity is the gap.

are you more worried about how a man looks instead of his actions? you are literally focusing on something superfluous that shouldn't even be important.

ok then i'll commit myself to being the perfect embodiment of the victorian ideal of the angel in the house. i will be gentle, quiet, pleasant and utterly submissive to my husband. will i be masculine then?

If this is what you TRULY enjoy and what you TRULY feel is the right thing to do, then yes.
But you don't, so no.

masculinity is experienced through lack. you're confusing causes with results. you want these books, role models etc in the hope of closing a gap that can never be closed. masculinity is the gap.

Could you please elaborate on that?

ncbi studies on testosterone and androgens are the highest form of masculine literature

no i'm just mocking that user's idea that masculinity is commitment but the object of the commitment is irrelevant. you just need to have "strong words" about whatever. it sounds like the premise for a comedy character, "i swore on my father's grave that i will never eat carrots", maybe a mortal duel over flower arrangements.

>so masculinity is being extremely committed to a set of values but the values itself are arbitrary?
of course the values are arbitrary. take the manliest men you can find on movies/series, it doesn't matter if the guy is moral or not.

take for instance don corleone, yea silly example but anyway
>you respect him, he respects you
>you are generous with him, he is generous with you
>you want favors, you pay off and vice versa
>if you fuck up, you can expect 100% guaranteed consequences

yes, he can dress in any way he wants, if he enters a room, people will respect him.

of course you are not a mobking, nor you have a lot of money or guys to send kill your enemies, but with small actions, by time, you can build respect on the people around you

I get it;
that OP can't be responsible for his inadequacy and has to blame it on whatever media hes consuming is enough to see that he's suffering from some sort of complex.
Thats not to say that the MM (mainstream media) hasn't been emphasizing a picture of more feminine men, but its only enough to influence you if you're a) a child, or b) an easily suggestible human being. If you want to stop being a beta heres a free tip;
stop watching porn.

Pic related is bretty gud.

Also, to the "hurr durr don't read, just be a man" retard(s) in this thread, reading books about masculinity gives you a positive image of masculinity that you can strive for, and ergo make you a better man. Of course it's not going to grow your chest hair out, you fucking idiot. You were most likely not born a stupid faggot, the books you read and the ideas you absorbed made you into that.

>If this is what you TRULY enjoy and what you TRULY feel is the right thing to do, then yes.

ok so now masculinity is "being true to yourself". previously your concept of masculinity was comically arbitrary, now it closely resembles the sort of platitude you would read in a woman's magazine. "a real man is INFLEXIBLE in FOLLOWING HIS HEART" - battered housewife monthly

I'm not the person you originally replied to.
If you truly belived (in your heart and your mind) that the submissive gentle house-husband is who you want to be, but didn't become one in fear of social ostracism or "looking unmanly" - does it sound very masculine to you? To me it sounds like fear and insecurity.

>"a real man is INFLEXIBLE in FOLLOWING HIS HEART"
Pretty much, yes

hello bladee

I don't fucking understand this "don't read books, just go be a man" shit. That argument completely nullifies reading entirely then.

>if you want to be a man don't read about masculinity just go be a man!
>if you want to be a carpenter don't read about woodshop projects just go be a carpenter!
>if you want to be a physicist don't read about physics just go out and be a physicist!
>if you want to be an artist don't read about color theory or proportions just go out and be an artist!

what the fuck are you people smoking?

>being inflexible is being a man
Not that is being autistic

You really can't see how there might be a difference, even if you don't agree?

>if you want to live your life your own way instead of spending it reading books where other people tell you how to live your life while not leaving the house, do it

He didn't say he wanted to "live life his own way", he said he wanted to be more masculine, thus he should read a book about masculinity

we've been over this. the op is not asking for solutions for a practical problem, he is engaging in a fantasy of being a victim of masculinity-stealing leftists and he thinks the right amazon purchase will reverse this imaginary process. op is simply very unhappy and i have no idea what books would make him stop being so unhappy.

t. goy-boy

try the redpill, degenerate leftist scum. We are against multiculturalism and women being whores. That's masculnity

Start with the Greeks.

Right but it's pretty obvious from the posts in this thread that a lot of people associate that sort of self-determination with masculinity as an inherent part.

There is nothing more masculine than buttfucking another man

jesus, imagine having this much vitriol to spit at some random stranger on the internet
i hope you find meaning in life someday

He is right, you are not a victim of a conspiracy just a little bitch

fucking jew

A Genuine list:

Lord Jim by Joseph Conrad
Nostromo by Joseph Conrad

The Call of The Wild by Jack London
White Fang by Jack London
The Sea Wolf by Jack London
Marten Eden by Jack London

Of Human Bondage by Somerset Maugham
The Razor's Edge by Somerset Maugham
Ashenden by Somerset Maugham

The Complete Short Stories by Ernest Hemingway
For Whom The Bell Tolls by Ernest Hemingway
To Have and to Have Not by Ernest Hemingway
The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway
Death in the Afternoon by Ernest Hemingway

Tropic of Cancer & other Memoirs by Henry Miller

The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell
Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell
Essays by George Orwell
1984 by George Orwell

The Phillip Marlowe Series by Raymond Chandler

Never Come Morning by Nelson Algren
The Neon Wilderness by Nelson Algren
The Texas Stories by Nelson Algren
Nonconformity by Nelson Algren

The Magus by John Fowles
Daniel Martin by John Fowles

The Pugilist at Rest by Thom Jones
Cold Snap by Thom Jones
Sonny Liston was a Friend of Mine by Thom Jones

Grendel by John Gardner
Nickel Mountain by John Gardner
Mickelsson's Ghosts by John Gardner

Dog Soldiers by Roger Stone
A Flag for Sunrise by Roger Stone
Outerbridge Reach by Roger Stone

The Complete Short Stories of Raymond Carver

Stoner by John Williams

Other Men's Daughters by Richard Stern

The Bascombe series by Richard Ford

Preparation for the Next Life by Atticus Lish

not OP, hope you're feeling okay too dude. you want to talk about what's agitating you so much?

>ernest "dicksucker" hemmminhway

fantastic. we've now established that every kind of behavior imaginable is masculine because who are you to say it's not the secret truth of my heart? being inflexible is masculine, being flexible is masculine, as long as it agrees with imaginary inner truth. turns out masculinity is a meaningless new age buzzword. who knew?

so do you believe that there is not general anti-masculine trend in academia and the media?

Read lacans description of sexual difference and reconsider your life choises. Masculinity and feminity are empty categories defined only by the inherent lack in all of us. Sooner you stop chasing it sooner you can build a somewhat genuine self.

Going macho is the most certain way to fuck even less than you are doing now.

Dress fashionably, be fun, keep reading mishima, but don't go all masculine unless you are ready to go gay.

>who are you to say it's not the secret truth of my heart?
It takes experience and introspection to know the true secret of your heart.
Generally though the hearts of men aren't that much different one from another. Our primal instincts are still there - learn to listen to them.

Don't be silly.

Wasn't Great Alex considered a psycho-gay-genius?

it's irrelevant. what's relevant is that you're a coward that can't take responsibility for your life and will immediately redirect all conversations about it to worthless fucking whining about "the media"