Writing on Solitude

i pity you

Maybe The Living Mountain by Nan Shepherd? More about nature than solitude as such but a good read in any case.

Thanks. I handn't heard of that. Sounds interesting

>I only notice attention-seeking women, therefore all women must be attention whores

What writings would you recommend? I'm not OP but I'm interested in mysticism

This was obviosuly grabbed from reddit or it simply is a great bait.

Women don't do solitude.

Even the solitary ones aren't alone by choice, which is why they harass people and meddle when possible and need a bunch of cats to feel validated in their existence.

that's such bullshit.

women generally speaking experience a much less intense version of solitude, which on paper is more like temporary bouts of loneliness.
Look into the Glass Menagerie by T.W.

Women are able to chose by their nature and at society's request, however the "solitude" if you can even call it that is either "failure to choose" or "unacceptance of decision".

i.e. A woman who in solitude has a plethora of choices in which to have company but she chooses not to, a man in solitude does not have the final say in company with no connections, therefore his "solitude" is naturally more foreboding.
The internet has practically eradicated the depths that a woman can ALLOW herself to sink into loneliness, otherwise see Woolf.

Zarathustra

Maybe this?

Why do you think so?

"Because I am a woman myself and at first glance and not much thought, I am affronted"

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MOMMY! MILKY! PLEASE BE HASTY!

REFRESHING DRINK FROM MOMMY'S UDDERS!

I WANT MOMMY'S AND NO OTHERS!

GIVE IT! GIVE IT! GIVE IT NOW!

GIVE ME MILK, YOU LAZY SOW!

UNTIL YOU DO, I'LL SCREAM AND SHOUT!

I'LL CRY! I'LL WHINE! I'LL STOMP ABOUT!

UNTIL MY BELLY IS FULL AND HAPPY!

I REFUSE TO TAKE A NAPPY!

What's the proof that it is the case though?
So far nobody has proven anything.

Come here user mommy will tuck you in and feed you ice cream but not too much or else you'll get a tummy ache >:3

I know you said nonfiction, but Wittgenstein's Mistress is a novel about a woman living in solitude. Though it is also written by a man.

yes pls

Wittgenstein wrote novels???

You know it's true.

My emotional experience of solitude is very similar to those macho kinds of books (sans killing wild animals with my bare hands, I like animals and am vegetarian), and I'm female. Maybe the kinds of introverted people who seek out solitude are similar, regardless of gender.

Also why do you want to know about relationship to body? do you just assume we're all insecure or hyper sexual or something?

I am a misanthropic loner, and coincidentally happen to be female. I don't like attention or drama, and have no friends, men or family specifically to avoid said jealousy, drama and attention.

How long were you in solitude? 5 minutes?

I have lived alone since I moved out of home at 17 and a half, and I'm 23 now. No friends, no partners and no family I care to talk to.

What attracts you to Veeky Forums? Everyone (including me) is just going to be rude and (rightfully) make fun of you now that you've exposed yourself as a woman.

>tfw ur my dream girl

Masochism? Nah, I just like talking about books, and since I have no friends and my family are illiterate bogans (Not sure of a non Australian equivalent here, so apologies if you don't get this) so I mostly go on Veeky Forums and sometimes Veeky Forums and /mu/ (other interests of mine). Besides, I think I have quite a boyish mind, in that I certainly like mathematics, solitude, independence, reading, philosophy etc. and Veeky Forums is generally steeped in, at the very least, pretensions to said attitudes and interests. Mostly I don't identify my gender, it just seemed appropriate here.

I'm probably not, I hate everyone.

how does it feel knowing you could slip getting out of the shower every morning, brain yourself on the sink or toilet, and no one would find you for days

even choking on food at every meal, no heimlich support

I try not to think about it. I have a high likelihood of being one of those old people that fossilises after dying in their apartment because no one ever visits. The alternative isn't much better though, putting up with some bf needing to take up significant proportions of my time, or worse, a best friend who will inevitably be boring and backstab you.

Do you have a job or are you on autismbucks?

Gravity and Grace is great. Most Christians would probably consider bits and pieces of it as heretical, but that's up to you.

I have a job. I work in an old bookshop owned by a lonely old gay man. We play backgammon together. That is my only human contact (aside from the occasional customer).

I really want to have sex with you. I don't care what you look like. I just want you to whisper in my ear with your Australian accent. I don't care what you say to me.

I'm, not really sure how to respond to that.

fpbp
women do not get lonely
even the ugliest, most undesirable of women have omega-beta orbiters giving them attention and awaiting their every beck and call

sounds like you should write your own novel.

actually I recall seeing some thread about a novel about some girls who live in the remote countryside or forest or something, probably by a woman , but the title eludes me. sorry. think it was a recent enough book.

OP, here you go, work done for ya, ya lazy git:

hermitary.com/bookreviews/solitude-women.html
theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/10/top-10-books-about-being-alone
nytimes.com/2016/07/24/books/review/pond-claire-louise-bennett.html

deserving of recognition

see

>female bernard black

Pls be my gf

I don't live in the wilderness though, the Australian bush is terrible.
Did you not read the whole "I don't want a bf who'll take up my time" thing?

nice pic, pity it's tainted by association with Sweet Baba Jay.

Mary Oliver

Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood

The author is David Markson. It's great, read it.

Sounds like you're living the dream life. Is your boss Greek? They play some mean backgammon.
Also, are you ugly? I can't believe not getting any attention from men.

Does that kind of bookstore still exist anywhere? Last one I knew in my city that was like that closed shop in 2006.

He's got some Greek in him, but also Italian and Irish. His story is really sad actually, he had one great love but he stepped on a landmine in the Vietnam War, and he's been in mourning since the early seventies. As to whether I'm ugly or not, I don't think I'm bad looking, I do a lot of running and yoga so my body isn't fat or malnourished, and my face isn't bad. But I don't get out much, and when men do pay attention to me I ignore or rebuff them. It's much more about not wanting a boyfriend or lover than not being able to find a man, somewhere who would feasibly go out with me. I value my space and men tend to expect women to be very "giving" in the emotional, self sacrificing department and I'm just not naturally like that. I'm much more self contained and I don't need a person to constantly reassure me (kind of the usual "Man" role in a relationship) so all (read: very few, mostly in high school) attempts at romance have failed abysmally.
I live in the most hipster city in Australia, there are plenty of bookstores. Mine even has a cat.

OK here's the thing. Even ugly stupid women will never be lonely, because like said, they have omega-beta orbiters.

Shakespeare said it best:
There’s none so foul and foolish thereunto,
But does foul pranks which fair and wise ones do.

Listen, we may not get lonely in the male sense, but having a few random nerd kids want you just because you have a vagina isn't a salve for loneliness. Having men want to have sex with you doesn't make you not lonely, it just means that you can have a physical thing with someone. Although you'll say now "but at least you have that" the thing is, men value sex much more than women. Sex is how you create intimacy, for men. But for me, and I imagine from a lot of women, it's a genuine emotional and intellectual connection I crave, and that's difficult for everybody that's not a very basic, cookie cutter human. The possibility of sex doesn't make that any better.

agree

> doesnt like attention or drama
> tries to start shit
alright

>we
>me
>women

Well I can only speak for myself, and assume there are similar women.

Uh, what shit have I started exactly? Relationship drama? bff back stabbing?

can you just post your dick already?

agree

I am not a man, or a woman (man). I am female. I like literature. Why is it such a stretch I might come here, when most female dominated literature places are insufferably feminist?

>I am not a man, or a woman
become from this earth

*begone

Your reading comprehension is this bad? Maybe you should go on a different board if you can't understand. I am a woman, biologically and mentally. i.e. a female (female).

so you're a faggot

>omg why does Chad not want to commit to me
>I just want an intellectual, emotional connection :(
>not with you though user, you silly nerd
meanwhile most men go their entire lives without receiving the slightest bit of interest from any woman.

> Sex is how you create intimacy, for men
:(

> But for me, and I imagine from a lot of women, it's a genuine emotional and intellectual connection I crave, and that's difficult for everybody that's not a very basic, cookie cutter human. The possibility of sex doesn't make that any better.
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

OP here: the kind of solitude i'm talking about is bound up in isolation - the kind of solitude which isn't interrupted by a visit to the shop or small talk with the postman. i think in that situation, one's relationship to the body is felt deeply and the body itself and one's containment within it is thoroughly scrutinised. this is partly guesswork, informed a little by my own experience, but this why i want to read other people's accounts of their experience

>>I just want an intellectual, emotional connection :(
>not with you though user, you silly nerd
If I could find a guy who was capable of that, along with not being like you (a.k.a. spends way too much time on /r9k/ or similar) and be in Australia I'd be ecstatic.
>meanwhile most men go their entire lives without receiving the slightest bit of interest from any woman.
That's just objectively not true. Most people end up with someone.

I can't understand you either.

>I am not a man, or a woman (man). I am female

This statement is really confusing me.

If I lived in a different country, I would go into the wilderness and live in total isolation. However, Australia's bush is hot, uncomfortable, and full of deadly spiders.

i have no idea what that would be like bc im a man but i imagine such a universal isolation has more to do with personal disposition rather than sex

in my (really short) periods of complete isolation i felt:
> disoriented
> ethereal
> detached
> depersonalized
> incoherent
> confused
> hazy
> dizzy
> clouded
> lost track of time
> unable to focus
> heavy
> tired
> subhuman
> soulles

Spent too much time on shittier parts of the website I guess. Woman (man) is how lesser boards (/pol9k/) refer to transgender people. A woman (woman) is a biological woman.

in case youre not just being difficult and cute,

"woman (male)" is a reference to an r9k joke about traps/transsexuals or crossdressers,

they pretend to be so fargone as to have completely lost hope in even imagining themselves getting an actual gf and as shells of humans end up thinking "tfw no gf (male)"

Ok thanks I get it now.

>If I could find a guy who was capable of that, along with not being like you (a.k.a. spends way too much time on /r9k/ or similar) and be in Australia I'd be ecstatic.
Yeah I'm sure in a country of millions there is not a single man you could have a connection with. Go fuck yourself.
>That's just objectively not true. Most people end up with someone.
Women will settle for a provider after years of promiscuity, and many of them will be unhappy and resentful in their relationship.

>he goes to /r9k/
>he has gone, even once, to /r9k/
i'm sorry for your miserable existence

>Yeah I'm sure in a country of millions there is not a single man you could have a connection with. Go fuck yourself.
Maybe there is, but they would tend to go after less misanthropic, isolated women. Besides, Australia is very anti intellectual, and that's something I value highly.
>Women will settle for a provider after years of promiscuity, and many of them will be unhappy and resentful in their relationship.
Way too much time on /r9k/ to not get the women (male) reference.

i appreciate the support

>WOMEN in solitude.

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I spend about 40% of my year in a cottage isolated in Scotland, with a neat veggie patch etc. I've also gone mountain climbing and hiking alone for extended periods of time. I don't know about books for that experience, since I think it's more male dominated a writing field, but I imagine the experience is universal. The kinds of people who seek out total isolation are probably more similar than different, regardless of sex. I don't go bare chested though, hypothermia and all.
Bit of a left field idea, but the series by Jean M. Auel about cavemen times (although not great) does deal with female loneliness. It had a big impact on me when I was young.

do you mean that you spend 40% of the year literally without human contact? if so that's very interesting to me. you must surely experience some hefty emotional turbulence? are you a woman? please share more if you can.

>Maybe there is, but they would tend to go after less misanthropic, isolated women. Besides, Australia is very anti intellectual, and that's something I value highly.
Again, there are literally millions of people in the country, there are bound to be exceptions. Admit that you have lots of options, you just dismiss them out of hand. Your "loneliness" is entirely self-inflicted.
>Way too much time on /r9k/ to not get the women (male) reference.
Of course I get the reference, I'm not those other anons. The statement is accurate either way.

I'm not arguing with someone who's views are based entirely on belief, because nothing will sway you. It's entirely a waste of time.

> if so that's very interesting to me. you must surely experience some hefty emotional turbulence?
I actually kind of enjoy it. More time for self reflection and reading, writing and painting. I keep a goat and some chickens for milk and eggs (which are looked after in the interim by a farmer that lives semi close (i.e. quite a long way). It just feels, almost indescribable. Quiet, peaceful, somehow more intense.
> are you a woman?
Yes, I am. As to physical changes, I do find, particularly when mountaineering and hiking, that I get a lot more in tune with my body, it's rhythms and breathing and limits.

All I am saying is that you can't seriously complain about being lonely when you have a wide variety of options for relationships and people validating your existence. You don't know what it's likely to be truly unwanted. Women can not experience the kind of loneliness that many men have experienced throughout their entire lives. I don't mean to be melodramatic, it's simply the way of the world.

do you also feel anxious, paranoid, depressed? at other times euphoric and completely content? other times, numb, bored, lifeless?

do you get sudden waves of sexual excitement? do you masturbate outdoors in nature, or indoors, enclosed somewhere despite the expanse and isolation? do you free bleed when you menstruate?

do your emotions change at the rate the weather in scotland does? i.e all seasons in a single day

these are the things i'm interested in...please tell all that you feel comfortable sharing.

also how old are you?

you're full of shit, your sweeping statements are not even worth challenging, and your argument is boring.

I never denied that men and women feel loneliness differently. But men cannot experience the loneliness of being wanted only for the hole between your legs, or the lumps of fat on your chest. That's not intimacy, or closeness. It's totally alienating. Men are very sex driven, and will never attain the kind of closeness I crave. It will always, on a base level, be about men wanting women and women getting to choose based off of want, and want alone. The closest to what I crave, I imagine, is a best female friend or a lesbian lover.

>do you also feel anxious, paranoid, depressed?
Sometimes anxious, and I feel depressed all the time.
>do you get sudden waves of sexual excitement?
Not really?
>do you masturbate outdoors in nature, or indoors, enclosed somewhere despite the expanse and isolation?
No, I just curl up with Anais Nin.
> do you free bleed when you menstruate?
I got an IUD to cope with heavy bleeding and haven't had a period in 2 years.
>do your emotions change at the rate the weather in scotland does? i
No, my mood is pretty static in it's bleak, slightly melancholy outlook.
>also how old are you?
22

hmmm.

what do you do for the other 60% of the year? sounds like isolation isn't doing you much good. i understand melancholy, and anxiety/depression - in some cases i think they are somewhat healthy dispositions of intelligent and sensitive people, but only if they're cushioned by feelings of contentment and calm, happiness even. do you not also feel these things when you're there in scotland? do your surroundings not impress you?

>what do you do for the other 60% of the year?
I work and study in England.
>do you not also feel these things when you're there in scotland?
I do, in lesser doses.
>do your surroundings not impress you?
Of course they do, but nothing like the Andes or Kilimanjaro. That is true happiness.

I give up. This is why I prefer escorts, they understand men better than regular women ever could.