What did he mean by this?

Anomie

/thread

a bad LSD trip

There is a wish for death if only to escape the agony of the experience, only you are too fucked to actually take your own life,..at least from what you remember you were too fucked to take your own life,...but how would you know if you had in fact succeeded? when you come down you are no longer sure if the life you are living is real, was ever real,..perhaps you fell into a comma and are still dreaming, perhaps you did die only to discover the afterlife is you consciousness shifted into a parallel timeline where you didn't...then killing yourself again will only shift you further from where you were, deeper into the dream...or would it bring you back? wake you up from that comma?

perhaps death came but it was not a sweet release but a mere blink before forcing your consciousness back into its bottle, returning you to the burden of life and routine game reality with your physical body still to drag around

>A bad LSD trip
I've wanted to try LSD since forever but my mental health and emotional/psychological stability is frail. What you've described kind of scares me away from trying LSD because I don't want it to fuck me up further.

Are you speaking from experience?

keep to the alcohol's comfy drunkness. fuck that brain alterinh shit

but i've heard some wonderful stories about how LSD helped people become ridiculously more creative and gave them perspectives and modes of consciousness they would never have imagined.

its called bullshit

torture. lifetime of health issues, debilitation, and pain.

and sleep paralysis

it's the opposite actually

This is a good answer. Thanks for giving an actual response instead of shitposting.

that's not what he meant
>bad rep
>disobeying the gods
>going against what is right

Metempsycosis into woman is even worst.

>at the door of life, by the gate of breath
>there are worse things waiting for men than death

getting violently anally raped by 4 men who are larger and burlier than you in an alleyway while they pin you down and cover your mouth to prevent your screams from being heard, and they laugh while all you can do is squirm around and cry in a puddle of blood leaking out of your ass while the 3rd one is vigorously fucking you and you just want everything to be over and you have no idea what the fuck you're going to do with yourself once it's all over, you just want it to stop is pretty bad.
s-so I've heard

I'm sorry dude, but I did say no homo.

Speak for yourself

Read Gorgias to find out.

He is, and you.

LSD was nothing special for me. mushrooms accelerated my descent into platonism and forced me to be more honest and humble (not without a little humiliation, in the end).

i've seen people take LSD and trap themselves in a negative feedback loop. if you have a strong will (or a trusted, spirited friend), go ahead. i still recommend shrooms in the woods, though.

Start with the Geeks, bitches.

doubtless some normie machismo nonsense of the period, the same lies being believed throughout history.

"waah no friends, worse than death".
"waah dishonor, worse than death".

Hogwash.

Huh I just noticed psychedelics don't get discussed here to much. I did lsd, mushrooms and mescaline quite a few times from 16-19, and although interesting I can not put their significance above some of my favorite books. Maybe it's because I associate them with a juvenile stage of life, at the time it certainly felt important important

death is a blessing in disguise think about it what would you rather have

be alive forever and be conscious knowing you cant die and forever living in fear

or be dead and return to a state of unknowing?

an unexamined life is worse than death

The fuck happened to you guys?

Well I once came home early to find my wife in bed with another man and naturally I was angry and left, but at the bar while I dwelt on it with booze I realized I was getting turned on to the thoughts of my wife getting stretched out and moaning for another man's cock

I want Carli claire to turn me into a cuckold

You've literally failed as men. I wouldn't care if people like you didn't spread your affliction onto young porn users with all this cuck shit on the frontpage. The state needs to regulate the internet. Except for my fetish ofc

Who dis bitch?

please stop saying comma

>women

His implication is the that being birthed into such a meaningless void that this universe happens to be is far worse than being permitted to escape the hellish train journey of so-called 'life'.

what makes you think it's meaningless?

I've done so much acid that I stopped keeping track, and this is (sort of) bullshit. "modes of consciousness" sounds like new age woo, and most of what you hear from psychonauts is this deepak chopra-esque big sciency words strung together into nonsense. My acid dealer has countless crystals around his house, and he of course believes they have magic powers. He sells good shit but I'm not about go to him for metaphysical enquiry.

Yes, the psychedelic experience is incredible, but you can't let yourself fall into delusions. I've experienced intense religious ecstasy, but I don't fool myself into thinking I'm vibrating on some mystical frequency and reaching higher plains of consciousness. I can absolutely see how someone would think that, but at the end of the day I'm just in awe that chemicals can produce such profound experiences. I mean you can take DMT and think you're talking to alien entities, but you're just not. Keep your feet firmly planted on the ground, and be very suspicious of anyone peddling pseudo-scientific spiritual bullshit.

because a life void of meaning is worse then death

Any niggas here know any books on astral projection?

Forgot to add, regarding "new perspectives": fucking of course. Go have an incredibly profound experience, with or without psychs. Of course you'll gain a new perspective, you've lived your entire life in one frame of mind and then suddenly you're blasted out of it in a way that alcohol or weed will never do.

>What did he mean by this?
if you want to know you'll have to start with the greeks

will salvia do

Don't fuck with anything that's not acid or shrooms. Maybe DMT if you're super adventurous/confident but certainly not unless you're very familiar with pyschs. MDMA is fun but you can really fuck your serotonin up if you don't do it with the right vitamins and all that stuff. Seriously do not settle for less, don't take anything unless you're 100% sure what it is. Unfortunately not everyone has a great dealer like I do, but before I found him I grew shrooms since you can buy everything you need legally. But I fucked up and ruined shrooms for myself, thankfully haven't done that with acid.

Overall, despite having done lots of pyschs, I would absolutely not recommend them to 99% of people. First off it takes incredible luck to find the real stuff in the first place, then you need an ideal place to do it with the right people. It's a lot harder to arrange than it sounds, I have 100 tabs sitting in the desk I'm typing on and it's going to be a while before I even have the right time to do them.

Don't listen to the other dumbass, salvia will do the fucking trick no question. Be prepared for it to be extremely uncomfortable though

The source for the quote seems to be the Law's. Here's a link: classics.mit.edu/Plato/laws.9.ix.html
>...far worse are the punishments which are said to pursue them in the world below. But although they are most true tales, they work on such souls no prevention; for if they had any effect there would be no slayers of mothers, or impious hands lifted up against parents; and therefore the punishments of this world which are inflicted during life ought not in such cases to fall short, if possible, of the terrors of the world below.

No shit it'll do the trick, but why the fuck would you want to do something "extremely uncomfortable"? Here's some stuff from Erowid:
"While sub-threshold effects are somewhat innocuous--leading some people to be cavalier in subsequent experiences--once full effects are achieved, many people find S. divinorum to be unpleasantly overwhelming and more scary than fun. As has been found with pharmaceutical kappa-opioid agonists, Salvia divinorum is aversive for many who try it."
"Strong effects can be difficult to attain from smoking dried leaf, but extracts and potency-bred leaves can cause dramatic, sometimes frightening, and completely enfolding entheogenic mind-states. Many people who try S. divinorum do not find the effects at all pleasant and choose not to repeat the experience."
"Not only is salvinorin A chemically different from other hallucinogens (it is a diterpene not an alkaloid) but its effects are quite different as well. Many people consider the effects less manageable and harder to work with than other entheogens. The majority of people who have had a full blown experience with salvinorin A are reluctant to ever do it again"

In short, fuck off. There's much better psychs out there, LSD and shrooms are comparatively tame compared to salvia and most people don't have the fortitude to handle even those. Do not fuck around with this shit just because you want some hippy dippy new experience.

more: "The pure compound salvinorin A is active at 200 - 500 mcg when vaporized and inhaled. Since very few people have the costly equipment necessary to accurately weigh anything close to this small an amount, it is inevitable that people will try to visually estimate the dose. Unfortunately there is little room for error before the effects become potentially dangerous. When the dose goes above 500 - 1000 mcg the effects can be very alarming, I have seen several people get up and lunge around the room falling over furniture, babbling incomprehensible nonsense and knocking their heads into walls. Several people have tried to wander out of the house. When the experience is over they have no memory of any of this. In fact they usually remember very different events. To an outside observer people in this condition have a blank look in their eyes as if no one is present (and perhaps no one is). It is also common for people to have a facial expression which is probably best described as being like that of a frightened animal. It appears that at these "larger" doses one completely loses awareness of, and control over, the physical body and for some reason part of the brain causes the body to get up and move about recklessly while the individual has no awareness of where their physical body is or what it is doing. It seems inevitable that one of these days some careless person will do too large a dose without a sitter and will wander out in the street, or hurt themselves in some way. "

Does this sound fun, ?

brainlet

do a low dose and slowly work your way up, if you want to try lsd. you don't have to do the whole tab. MAKE SURE you trust your dealer, tabs can be cut with various non-LSD drugs.

if you want something that can perhaps help you mental health wise, shrooms would be the way to go. they helped me connect certain feelings that i had yet to bring together on my own.

yea because my bro does it quite often and knows his shit about it plus I trust him to keep me from doing anything retarded; he said the first time was quite bad but afterward it was short and pleasant. I'd want to at least try it once.

If you ever try psychs and meet "entities" do not assume they are outside of you, they are things in your subconscious that are apart of you not beings in the outside world otherwise you might seem crazy.

Well good luck, psychs are not for the faint of heart and there's nothing you can do to prepare for them. Take the dive, and hopefully you will swim out the other side with a worthwhile experience

.t soyboy

These are good

Completely and utterly wrong, although I saved that pic
Picked this one out as wrong because it is a possible interpretation if Plato was an edgy brainlet teenager.

How did you ruin them for yourself? I worry that it's not really possible to avoid bad trips, and one is always lurking a few dozen in the future.

Being a virgin past 30

literal shit tier drug

>my thoughts when reading this: must be a larping 15 year old erowid reader
>mfw he literally quotes erowid in next reply
Salvia is fine, fuck off with your ""advice"" please.

I took a bigger dose than I was expecting. I always grind up the dried shrooms and put them in orange juice, but this time I let it sit for 20 minutes thinking that the acidity would sort of pre digest them. Little did I know that vitamin c potentiates it, and this was already a big dose. I got half way to ego death by the time I was peaking, and never before had I experienced this level of a trip. My skin was liquid, I felt all my muscles and organs dissolve inside of myself, and I could not tell where my body ended and the couch I was sitting on began. Shrooms fuck with your stomach and I puked right before I peaked, which is not the best way to start a trip. I had grown the shrooms myself, and since it was my first time growing I thought I fucked up and they were contaminated so I poisoned myself. There are two things to know about tripping, you will not die and you will come down. I absolutely knew these, but the state I was in was so extreme that I was absolutely convinced I was dying and then later that I could not come back from such an extreme state.

There are a few things I don't like about shrooms in comparison to acid: acid is more stimulating and "up" while shrooms are more mellow and "down", acid you just take a little bit of paper whereas shrooms are disgusting, hard to get down, and hard to digest which fucks your stomach, and acid just feels better. Every sensation is like jolts of pleasure on acid, whereas shrooms are sometimes uncomfortable and something like a blanket can end of feeling prickly instead of pleasant and comforting. When so much of the quality of the trip depends on how you feel, starting off nauseas and introspective (which is how shrooms start for me) is not a good way to come up. Every psych is a bit weird on the come up, but for me shrooms just don't vibe with me whereas acid is my absolute favorite. Now some people consider throwing up part of the shroom trip, and some people really don't like acid.

So the short story is: I took a bigger dose than I thought, and was not prepared for the effects. Once you take it you can't untake it, which is why you half to work your way up slowly. Find out how you react and what it feels like for you, so when crazy shit happens you understand that it's just a part of the trip and you know how to go along for the ride. This is why I was telling other user that really you shouldn't fuck with it, it's so hard to get the real stuff and you have no idea what you're doing with it. Now I consider this trip to be one of the most important and beneficial I've had, and there's a saying that shrooms don't give you the trip you want but the trip you need. One of the realizations I had was that I'm a lot stronger than I thought, but some people just aren't able to handle this stuff and I wonder what I trip like this would do to someone who is less mentally stable.

/thread

As for bad trips, 95% are avoidable if you know what you're doing and how much, you work your way up to heroic doses (if you want to do that much), and you're doing it in the right place with the right people. But that's harder to arrange than it sounds.
Erowid is a great resource, and it isn't like you can't have a good time with salvia. I've never done salvia, and I never will because I can get good psychs and not fuck with every other odd plant that makes you hallucinate. My big beef with it is the descriptions of it's dissociative aspects. If you like that shit great have fun, but telling people its fine is bullshit. Go do some datura while you're at it

notice "men"
fucking misogynist

He foresaw this board