>I've just read an incredible article where "The Handmaid's Tale", a sub-par piece of science-fi trash, is defended by its author. The author, who rightly should be apologizing for her execrable prose, not only defends it but calls it "timely". The book has been made in to some sort of cable mini-series. I'm Canadian, so had to suffer through this book as a young person. >It's one of those cheap, dystopian tracts. The difference with this one is it has a deeply paranoid feminist look into the future. The story is as impossible as most of these " frightening looks into the future". But to call it timely, when the possibility of this fiction ever becoming fact even more of a joke, is just a cynical cash-grab.
>One might not like the premise, the meandering non-plot, the ugly themes, the subliterate dialogue and the dull fillibustering. >I would say "unpublishable" would describe her style. >I don’t hate Margaret Atwood. I hate bad writing. It isn’t her fault and I’d never have anything but pity for the talentless. But the Canadian school system makes you read her.
>It is nauseating to consider that through shameless self-promotion someone like Margaret Atwood could dare consider herself Munro’s peer. Unlike Munro, Margaret Atwood is incapable of writing a novel, yet churns out chum at an alarming rate. Munro is the greatest writer Canada has ever produced but feels herself incapable of writing a novel. On the flip side sits Margaret Atwood. >What do I care if it's well-regarded. I have eyes to read. Everyone but me is welcome to love it. But I am right. Content-free.
He's right. Munro is actually good, Atwood is genre trash pop fiction
Joshua Cruz
It is timely, and it is certainly possible. The Handmaid's tale is a 100% accurate reflection of what happens in Islam, but Atwood was too busy with her anti-christian horse blinders to realize she'd make a poignant simile of Saudi Arabia
It's funny how when women try out these speculative and borderline ridiculous plotlines they are verbally assaulted, as if they were preaching some universal truth that made people super uncomfortable. But when male writers write about missile detecting boners, rebellious talking animals, Prophets that are literally "Boy, everyone is stupid except me" and other superfluous "plots" they are lauded.
I'm being facetious of course, her writing may not be good, but to attack a FICTION writer because the FICTION is not realistic that's pretty fucking petty. I doubt Atwood was closeminded enough to have written A Handmaid's Tale as a strict "Bro This shit gonna happen FORREAL" cautionary tale, and it's more of a male insecurity overreaction.
T. a dude who is tired of seeing double standards.
Jonathan James
btw, I love Norm. His more fucked up jokes are the best. His recent show with Bobby Lee killed me.
Christopher Sullivan
>bitching about a personal attack on Atwood fueled by some deep misogynistic views when norm attacked her ability as a writter soley and all your response is is a simplistic attack on norms character
>comparing speculative fiction like Handmaids tale to something like animal farm, which was a reflection on something that had already happened
>comparing speculative dystopian fiction which explores dangerous ideas that could affect the world as a whole to purely feminist fear mongering that only focuses on what could happen to western women and then implying that the former is short sighted and selfish to identity politics concerning sex
Landon Collins
She actually hates calling it "sci fi" and thinks it's "speculative fiction"
She clearly believes it carries more weight than just "fiction"
Nolan Murphy
Reminder that liberals are christians who hate christians
norm, you're a faggot. munro's whole approach (mass simulation, extreme time-compression, seemingly cramming entire lifespans into stories) is styled to fill the short form, her stories overbrim and 'read' like novels. why should she demean her prose to novel-length?
atwood i've never read a novel from, but she's a fine ss writer, typical form though
Joseph Myers
>That she has gotten so much hype for her short stories, along with the spurious comparisons to Anton Chekhov’s best works, is due to what I might call the ‘little country’ factor. Yes, Canada is larger than the USA in terms of square miles but it’s only about a tenth the size in population and often writers get reputations or awards due to their coming from small nations, where they have been granted demigod status due to their being the only writer known outside of their country.
>comparing Chekhov and Munroe
That is absurd. But I agree that Canada's literary tradition involves government sponsored hype and promotion so mediocre writers are propped up and read and hailed as great. Munroe is probably one of the best Canada has to offer but on the world stage she's only a bit better than good.
There is a lot of room for a truly great Canadian author to emerge but they have to overcome the great Canadian media machine that wants to churn out trite immigrant struggles, muh rural living, survival, etc. I think something along the lines of a harsh, culturally satirical book (think holluebeq) could really shock people and have broad appeal.
Colton Peterson
Ah see but I was not attacking Norm, I was attacking neets and insecure neckbeards like yourself. I'm not one to argue that there is a whole lot of baseless speculation out there, but to attack a writer for their fiction not being prophetic or realistic is moot. It's fucking fiction, wether the writer thinks it hold weight or not.
Animal Farm, 1984 and A Brave New World are constantly used as examples of the Ol' "It's a warning, not an instruction manual!" by idiotic sjws. And let's not forget that these at their point in time of publishing received their fair share of criticism and lambasting for being ridiculous, which still happens today, more so in Veeky Forums. To the point of many here thinking those works are childish and blatant.
So it's only a dangerous idea when it doesnt have to do with discrimination against women and extreme measures by authoritarian governments? ok, pal that's an interesting hot take. Nice greenarrows and meme image, you save that in one of your Soyboy reaction folders? So yeah, you're gay *out of tune Sandman by Metallica riff*
Logan Jones
People have to actually read that shit in school? I can't say I'm surprised. I see people promoting female authors just because they're female all the time.
Brody Miller
Norm's whole point is that people are calling The Handmaid's Tale realistic. Every unintelligent leftist on my Facebook feed as compared the election of Donald Trump to the book. Every single one says that it's the direction we're headed.
Unrelated to any of that, you sound like the most whipped white knight on the internett.
Jordan Richardson
>I was attacking neets and insecure neckbeards like yourself.
stopped reading there. Youre a troglodite that can do nothing but project personal insults because you lack the ability to articulate any actual defense of your trashy feminist shlock
Jeremiah Davis
I didn't know anything about the show and tried to watch the first episode. I immediately knew it was written by a women because the main character had a constant inner monologue. She would be in the middle of the conversation and she's still talking to herself and providing exposition.
Jacob James
>Animal Farm, 1984 and A Brave New World are constantly used as examples of the Ol' "It's a warning, not an instruction manual!" by idiotic sjws.
the way you guys spout SJW nonsense and then try to use this pathetic "trick" of calling everyone else a SJW when it makes literally no contextual sense is the most retarded thing I have ever seen. Seriously, how deluded does someone have to be to get so angry at a criticism of handmaids tale that they then imply only SJWs like A Brave New World or 1984 or Animal Farm?
Jason Morgan
wtf i love norm now
Nathan Jones
Wow, Norm is a legend
Aiden Bell
His Veeky Forums tweets are always good. I should get around to checking out his book.
Mason Robinson
the handmaid's tale was published in 1985, long before most people in europe/americas were aware of how fucked up islam is
Hudson Stewart
t. millenial
muslims have been terrorist and chimping out since the early 1970s
Carter Reyes
Hes always been a Veeky Forums fag and a lover of russian writers in particular.
>that time he said he hates all the russian names for characters, so he just gives them anglo-saxon names in his head
Angel Hill
user they've been at it since islam was invented but it was only when they started leaking into europe that we really started taking notice lockerbie, terry waite kidnapping, satanic verses uproar etc then the first gulf war is when people started taking notice to most westerners even the iran/iraq war was just some brown people killing each other
Blake Rodriguez
>Animal Farm, 1984 and A Brave New World Those are all high school-tier books of little literary value. Nobody on Veeky Forums has ever lauded any of those three. This isn't reddit.
Jacob Nelson
I agree that it's retarded to call it realistic, but to blast it for being speculative is also a very stupid thing to do. Why hasnt Norm attacked 1984 or A Brave New World or We? People quote those as mirrors to today's society but they are still far from realistic.
>feminist
I'm not a feminist. And it appears I touched a sore spot. dont worry, I'll let it go ;^)
What's "sjw" about what I said? That an author shouldnt be critiqued for their fiction not being realistic enough? or because it doesnt place itself squarely into what Norm thinks is timely? See the problem is, if I defend a woman, on anything, I'l be labeled an sjw no matter what, when I'm not. I just think it makes no sense for Norm to say that the book isnt timely, it's pretty fucking obvious even to a goddamn lobotomized child that there aren women walking around in red robes being used only to breed children, but that doesnt mean it cant be used as commentary on current gender issues.
Either way, you'll all just deny everything and still call me sjw or soyboy. I know I wont convince you, from this point on I'm just shooting the shit. Respond if you want. doesnt matter.
Jaxson Wright
just take your L and leave you cringy faggot
Jonathan Nguyen
But user, I'm not angry, you guys are the one getting buttflustered because someone disagrees with you.
Ethan Foster
>take your L >cringy >faggot
12yo detected
Kayden Fisher
Because Handmaid's Tale just got a tv show, you utter fag. It's almost like people comment on what is relevant in pop culture.
Nathan Allen
Philip K dick's stories have been adapted into a show and not to mention Bladerunner 2049. There's plenty of SJWing in that, where's Norm's BTFO of Dick and villeneuve?
>social Media paranoia >Black Mirror >Trump president >1984, Brave New World and This Cant Happen reprints selling out
What? what else should I mention? Or is Norm working on those right now?
William Lopez
Phillip K Dick is a good writer
Landon Perry
Nigga, you're just ultra determined to find sexism in the fact that Norm doesn't like Atwood, even as he contrasts her writing with a woman who is better. You're undeniably pathetic.
Blake Ross
>Norm Macdonald Is Really Mad at ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’ For Some Reason Fuck, this title upsets me. Fucking smug dismissiveness.
Justin Barnes
>the subliterate dialogue Mercy, Norm!
Austin Cook
>dude muh vaginer lmao t. Margaret Atwood
Dominic Collins
Nah, I'm ultraannoyed at Veeky Forums's reactionary antagonism against female writers. You Schopenhaurfags are the worst.
>"tricks"
nice fallacy, hollow brain idiot.
Carter Barnes
Veeky Forums loves Austen and O'Connor, go cry in a corner faggot.
Alexander Anderson
Holy shit, you actually got triggered by the Schopenhauer threads. That's hilarious.
Nicholas Kelly
Are we now supposed to take seriously Norm MacDonald's tweets about literature? What about this guy makes him worth listening to? It's certainly not what he actually says about Atwood.
> teh writing is bad > because I can see it is bad
Carson Stewart
I never knew Norm is this articulate, holy shit.
Juan Perez
He's just repeating what we've already said in threads on the book, but funnier. That's why it's fun.
Brody Barnes
>But the Canadian school system makes you read her. Only if you live somewhere shitty.
Landon Cook
holy shit Norm is cultured as fuck
Parker Thomas
I can't believe you dumbfucks are fawning over this pleb "analysis".
Colton Brown
All humanity loves a sick burn.
Dylan Ward
What the fuck, she has no tits?
Jaxson Morgan
>I would say "unpublishable" would describe her style.
fucking owned
Nathaniel Green
He's actually pretty damn erudite.
Blake Bennett
a good portion of Veeky Forums takes the antiwomen meme too far and creams at whatever "critic" that tries to show womyn whats what.
James Perry
>The story is as impossible as most of these " frightening looks into the future" This is enough to sink him. He has no idea what this type of fiction is supposed to be. Dystopian fiction does not ever suppose that its speculative universe is going to happen. That's as banal a reading as the "1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual" cliche.
Ryder Nguyen
I'm just saying I could easily mistake him for an intellectual like Bloom in writing
Jeremiah Roberts
judging from the quote it's not the book he's attacking over its fantastical premise, but the author's pretensions for the book
Michael Nelson
Did Atwood somewhere say "I am as important/good as Alice Munro"? Because he seems to be attacking her for not measuring up to Munro. If Atwood made the comparison, that's one thing, but otherwise MacDonald seems to be complaining that one well-regarded author is just not as good as another.
Sebastian Hill
Why should anyone read your comment user? Nobody even knows who you are except that its likely you live with your parents.
Alexander Long
Honestly, the idea that Atwood is simply a bad writer is laughable. She's quite good, and you don't have to politically aligned with her to think so.
Is she absolutely marvelous? No, I guess not. But I've found myself really liking her writing on a number of occasions.
Hunter Perez
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Connor Johnson
lol this is a feature of Scrubs though
Nicholas Johnson
Only this time it's one that deserves it. He wouldn't shit on our girl Ursula I don't think.
Jackson Russell
Wrong
David Morgan
oryx and crake was a pretty damn good book. Just like you said though, is she marvelous? No not really, but is she good? Of course. Is she a raging feminist? well yeah kind of.
Brayden Bell
Its just a lot of pejoratives and personal attacks I think Norm must have been triggered
Aaron Bennett
Noam did way too many recreational drugs as a youth, now he's paying the price. Now, he's just a bitter old man, easily triggered by things out of his control, upset that his career is trash since he left SNL years ago.
Lincoln Harris
Leaf here, never was subjected to Atwood in school. But my sister and mum hate her writing so Ive never really bothered.
Richler is my preferred Anglo novelist
Dylan Lopez
O+C is fucking trash imo
Caleb Rogers
wasnt handmaids tale based on Iran?
Elijah Jones
kek does Norm have a crush on Alice Munro or something? He always brings her up like a fucking schizo's obsession
Oliver Thompson
Children of Men is more accurate than Handmaid
Angel Hughes
Well she is very arguably the greatest writer that Canada has ever produced. Norm's just being a patriot.
Jayden Myers
>She is quite good because i found myself really liking her writing sometimes. I see. I am now persuaded she's a good writer, because you found you really liked her writing sometimes.
