Why do Irish-Americans like to play the "WE WUZ OPPRESSED AN SHIEET" card whenever someone brings up racial inequality involving blacks? Were conditions for the Irish in the United States really comparable to what the Africans endured?
Why do Irish-Americans like to play the "WE WUZ OPPRESSED AN SHIEET" card whenever someone brings up racial inequality...
Nathaniel Peterson
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Tyler Cook
Worse.
African slaves were guaranteed home and board. The Irish weren't.
Leo Carter
Eh, I don't really know, cause they weren't really considered white people
until the Chinese started immigrating to the US
Jeremiah Hughes
Conditions for the Irish in Ireland were certainly comparable to what African Americans endured.
>>In 1845,OttomanSultan Abdülmeciddeclared his intention to send £10,000 to victims of the Irish potato famine, butQueen Victoria requested that the Sultan send only £1,000, because she herself had sent only £2,000.[1][2][3]The Sultan sent £1,000 along with five ships full of food. The British administration allegedly attempted to block the ships, but the food arrived secretly at Droghedaharbour and was left there by Ottoman sailors.[4][5]
Sebastian Campbell
Ok well what about the harsh conditions the slaves endured? Also, what caused the homelessness amongst the Irish and was more frequent than the average American citizen?
Jackson Johnson
The Irish had it about as bad, if not worse. Living on a plantation and working 10-12 hours a day ( there is only so much work that you can do in a day on a plantation) is allot better than working 16-18 hours a day as an indentured factory worker in a time before safety regulations and unions were a thing. Industrial labor was brutal, and they were too poor to be land owners so to have voting rights, making their actual personal power barely greater than Black slaves.
On paper though blacks had it worse since they were considered property and the Irish weren't, which meant that slave owners could kill them without retribution, where Irish factory workers still were considered persons. Of course, factory owners could still be complete tyrants to them, but they couldn't kill them without having to at least pay a hefty bribe or fine.
Noah Hughes
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Juan Myers
That anecdote reflects so poorly on Victoria. Was there like... a reason behind her seemingly unfeeling parsimony? Like her ministers didn't communicate the full extent of the suffering? Or was that just the typical attitude of the British aristocracy towards the Irish?
Nathaniel Phillips
Fuck off with your racebaiting bullshit
The irish suffered terribly at the hands of the english
t. Jamal
Hudson Walker
It was literally social darwinisn, which was all the rage at the time. The Irish had overbred, and now nature was bringing back equilibrium the only way it knew how. So the English government got all Prime Directive on Ireland, refusing to interfere in the event and letting nature run its course.
Nicholas Bailey
It's worth mentioning that the English were particularly ashamed of the Irish because they were "white monkeys". These savages had come from Europe! It was part of the reason the English were so desperate to 'prove' that they were 100% pure germanic and had nothing in common with the primitive celts on the rest of the isles.
Ryan Sullivan
It's not a contest.
Connor Gonzalez
>harsh conditions the slaves endured
The conditions a lot of slaves lived in were usually quite good.
They were better treated than the average Irish labourer, and worth more too.
Easton Price
The Irish never had it anywhere near as bad as African slaves, but Irish conditions in the 1860s were comparable to black conditions in the 1960s
Charles Morgan
>Like her ministers didn't communicate the full extent of the suffering? Or was that just the typical attitude of the British aristocracy towards the Irish?
They were unaware of the full extent of the famine.
>It was literally social darwinisn, which was all the rage at the time. The Irish had overbred, and now nature was bringing back equilibrium the only way it knew how. So the English government got all Prime Directive on Ireland, refusing to interfere in the event and letting nature run its course.
Social Darwinism didn't exist at the time, Darwin hadn't even published OTOOS until 1859 a good 7 years after the end of the famine.
I think you meant Malthusian.
Christopher Jenkins
>The Irish never had it anywhere near as bad as African slaves,
Kek, they had it way worse.
Michael Thompson
Likely posted by a Jew to make light of the plight of a historical minority that wasn't Jewish and which proved as much when it managed to integrate seemlessly into American culture.
Austin Morris
Watch gangs of new york you miss nancy
Ryan Diaz
I'm not sure, but I know they had it far worse in Australia. At least an American slave had to do something to get whipped for it.
Easton Gray
>Jamal
>implying most black people don't have boing names like "John" or "Rachel"
Jose Edwards
That seems pretty comparable, yeah. In Ireland itself there was religion-based segregation, same in Denmark I believe.
Nolan Richardson
Aside from during the famine, the 18th and 19th century Irish had it nowhere near as bad as American slaves. The later 17th century was pretty fucking awful though.
Comparing the chattel enslavement of a racial caste to the political exclusion of Catholic peasants is pretty retarded. It's absolutely nothing alike.
Connor Jackson
Sure, but it doesn't really work to accuse someone of being black by using a Euro name in a text-based format.
Owen Allen
>ywn creep out of wife's bed and down the stairs and out the door.
>ywn never sneak towards your Irish slave cabins with only the moonlight to guide your way.
>ywn open the door to Kate's cabin and step inside and then silently make your way to her bed, dodging her sleeping children spread out on the floor (her husband is out tending your sheep).
>ywn wake her by pressing your face into the mass of her red hair and sniffing deeply.
>ywn slip into her bed and pull off her rough spun cotton shift as she sighs in disgust, resigned to her fate.
>ywn never fondle her breasts and slide your throbbing cock into her sex; feeling the tickle of her fire.
>ywn spill your seed into her and sire another slave.
How realistic was my green text? Was this legitimately possible with Irish slaves, I already know it was with African slaves.
Ryan Lewis
>there was religion-based segregatio
It was called the Penal Laws and it was the first modern case of apartheid.
Caleb Wilson
Slaves were treated far better than the average Irish person in 19th century America and after the manumission of the slaves they, the slaves, even enjoyed a slightly better socio-economic status.
Owen Thompson
>Were conditions for the Irish in the United States really comparable to what the Africans endured?
No, not at all. they were bad but not that bad. This is a retarded revisionist idea that often gets trotted out. The caribbean was maybe comparable, the united states was not
>So the English government got all Prime Directive on Ireland, refusing to interfere in the event and letting nature run its course.
That would be fine if they weren't actively exporting food and evicting people from their homes.
>Was this legitimately possible with Irish slaves
No
Jason Roberts
It depends on the time frame you're talking about. In the earliest days of the colonies the Irish who showed up were typically indentured servants who agreed to perform several years work in exchange for passage to the Americas where they were told land was abundant and ripe for the taking. These indentured servants were frequently abused similarly to slaves, but were never enslaved for life and they still had legal rights and could testify in court; something that even freed black people couldn't do in the South until after the Civil War.
For the Irish who arrived after the US formed it could be pretty darn bad, but the Irish were never enslaved for life like black people were and they didn't really have to worry about being "sold down the river," since they could choose their bosses. They were chewed up in machines and made to work 10-12 hour days, but so were factory workers in the rest of the world and they got fair pay in return and could leave their jobs if they wanted. The people saying they "had it worse" are mostly full of shit. The Irish workers who came in the 19th century had their freedom, something which is far more valuable than 2 meals of corn mush per day and a cot.
The Irish could also just "become white" whenever they wanted to by converting to Protestantism, speaking proper English, and maybe changing their last name from Mc to Mac. Black people didn't have that option; they couldn't stealthily climb the social ladder like white immigrants could.