Do the ends ever justify the means?

No. It's common to strike with the back end.

Not inherently.

>He thinks shooting capitalists will bring in communism

>communist
You have to be 18 years old to use this site.

A parasite grows too cunning, too powerful; dominates its host completely. The host grows too weak, perishes to the horizons of extinction.
The host ignores something minor. The host notices the error far too late, it didn't know of this development among its enemy. It ignored, it was lazy, it was weak.

Then they both meet karma, as is the end and the justification for their actions.

wtf are you talking about lol

Actions and developments have consequences. Karma is a truism.

>Do the ends ever justify the means?

that's not what the book is about though

sure but whether or not someone acquires karmic debt for an action doesn't seem to answer this question even remotely.

like if a man kills a soon-to-be murderer before he murders ten people, the question isn't "is that man going to face consequences or acquire karmic debt;" the question is whether or not the end (saving ten people) was justified by the means (killing one).

he's a white supremacist and its an allegory for Jews and Whyte people. you fucking idiot liberal faggot

I don't know you tell me

Raskolnikov is just a Veeky Forums user who got too full of himself.

It's the answer I got when asking God why He lets Kikes live.

It's true for practically all parasites and hosts.
There is another path a parasite can take, as there is another path for the host.

The parasite can make itself useful, turning the relationship symbiotic or beneficial; this is the case with our stomach bacteria and specialized cells in general. Whereas the host can exterminate the parasite and gain freedom from it.

I don't see that path available for Jews, but I do see it for other parasites.

>sure but whether or not someone acquires karmic debt for an action doesn't seem to answer this question even remotely.
The action is justified (it can happen) by the fact that all evil will remove itself by its own rules. If it keeps itself balanced in so far as to not change anything major, it is a test for the victim instead. The failings of the victim therefore justify the evil.

>It's the answer I got when asking God
fake and gay
>why I think Kikes live.
fixed
>It's true for practically all parasites and hosts.
There is another path a parasite can take, as there is another path for the host.

The parasite can make itself useful, turning the relationship symbiotic or beneficial; this is the case with our stomach bacteria and specialized cells in general. Whereas the host can exterminate the parasite and gain freedom from it.
those wouldn't be parasites idiot
>I don't see that path available for Jews, but I do see it for other parasites.
right because you're a biological racist disguising it with religion and are basically a psychopath and genocidal minded. So a subhuman ape

>those wouldn't be parasites idiot
That's the point. Around 20% of our genome is from viruses.

ok, relax dude.

i was/am treating op's question like a general philosophical question, not like one in the context you're mentioning.

even so, all it seems like you've done is describe the facts of a situation or system as you see it, rather than evaluate the moral quality of an action taken.

in other words, what you've said is something like "both parties did something; both faced consequences," when it seems like the question op's asking calls for an evaluation more like "this party did something immoral, but it was to achieve a good end, so that makes the action morally permissable."

thanks for clarifying what he was saying. i've never. seen a systematic approach like this to op's question. interesting.

>right because you're a biological racist
Biology is racist. Blacks can't swim well, for example. It's genetic, it is evolution, it isn't evil - merely the effects of generations of choices.
>disguising it with religion
No. Explaining religious dilemma (the existence of kikes) with truth. The jew can only feed on our sins; be it porn, usury or useless wars.
>and are basically a psychopath
Aren't you? archive.is/qMDqo
> and genocidal minded.
How do you think we got rid of the mosquitoes? We drain the swamps. If the parasite perishes due to us not sinning, how is it genocide?
>So a subhuman ape
This is what you kikes believe us to be anyway. I believe you are slaves to Mammon, and do its deeds on Earth.

holy shit i knew Veeky Forums was getting weird but what the shit you racist dicks

Can you really spit on generations of hard work like that? What a disgusting creature you are.

don't let the two /pol/autists get to you man

It's a woman.
>Servantile attitude towards [whoever is in power]
>Shaming tactics, ad hominem
>Thinking they are important among the anonymous

People who unironically think like this belong to a mental asylum.

>lechristian
>the joos ruin everything
>war, oh cruel world
>exploitation, jeebus clingus sabe mi
>surely the joos
>yes
>not my dumbass spreading hate
>the J O O S mom listen to me

Not surprising that you offer the same solution as the USSR for this.

Kvetch for me, love!
archive.is/gqShr

I was going to seriously refute you but then I realized that I’d be fine with sending willfully ignorant fucktards go gulags.

I guess the fashy vibes of poltards rubbed off on me, huh

>I realized that I’d be fine with sending willfully ignorant fucktards go gulags.
Does that include you?
youtube.com/watch?v=YPGQ-iB7mcY

>C&P thread instantly turned to shit

I really wish there was more art of famous literature.

Biology is racist to blacks by making them dumb. The swimming thing is kind of peripheral.

Neither the median nor the average complete a whole. I don't think there is a single good swimmer among blacks, but there are smart individuals - they are just far more rare than with other races. This has to do with their aversion of work; for generations, they have avoided labor, physical and mental. This shows. If they selected their hierarchy based on labor and achievements, the sexual selection would prefer smarter individuals over fancier. Not telling them this is sabotaging their evolution for social points.

The ends are all that matter. The means don't need justification.

sometimes. it depends on the means and the ends.

if you haven't read the book that OP's picture is from the old woman was a jew who performed "usury", the main character in the book killed her because he justified it with his morality saying he would use it for good and that she accrued her riches through evil actions and she wont use it anyway. Figure the rest out, sometimes jews are called ... what?

Did you read the book?

Why the fuck is this board so fucking racist and shitty lately? I just want to talk about philosophy and books, not all this modern race shit. take that to /pol/

do the means ever justify the end?

when i was in 3rd grade i thought commies were the shit

It depends on the context, sometimes killing for the greater good is totally ethical.
Thats not how dialectical materialism works
>muh gommunism doesnt work

this is the most dogshit c&p thread i have seen yet

Your greater good means a bleak, ugly and wasted environment where people starve ad wait in lines for food - as much as the bureaucrats deemed necessary for you.
You do not see a conflict in here, for you are a fool.

Raskolnikov had no ends, if he actually had such a grandiose motivation he would be a hero

>muh anti-communist propaganda

Eastern Europe is not propaganda.

But the bullshit that happens to every nation is when you say it only has happened to one.

Where do you think we are?

Raskolnikov is Bazarov explored more thoroughly.

I've never seen a beautiful communist country. It's always cement cube spam. Even grass avoided those cities (mold didn't). Both Chinese and Eastern European buildings are prone to fall decades earlier than expected.

You've never even seen a communist country.

>inb4 memes

I've been to former countries, and I've seen quite a bit of material.

You haven't since communism has yet to be achieved. Please, refer to it appropriately.

>You haven't since communism has yet to be achieved
So did the "end" of achieving communism justify attempting it in Eastern Europe, Africa, South America and Asia?

It would have. Everything has trouble. Saying that "communism" causes people to starve is a bit disingenuous/

How can i have seen anti-communist propaganda, if there is nothing to base it on? Why was it bad for me to criticize the policies in those countries, if it wasn't communism?

It's justifying horrid actions for the greater good that leads there. Aka, what you are attempting to do.
In truth, communism (and all materialist utopias) has been tried, and it looks like this
youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

That’s what you get for allowing jewposting retards on lit

What is Budapest you dickmuncher

Inb4 blockbuildings in parts where mostly the truly pleb live

...

>studying for grades
The absolute state of Veeky Forums.

Yes, who could forget all those beautiful buildings built by the commie regime.

>What is Stalinist Architecture?

>studying at all
the absolute state of humans

> few buildings redeem an entire city

This.

Cuba is doing well in many aspects, even though America has an immoral economic embargo on it which continues to this day, even though it is condemned by literally all countries in the world except for US and Israel on its yearly UN security resolution.

Communism did amazingly well in Cuba considering they weren't allowed to trade with america.

And yes I do know they get aid from Russia before you raise that point.

that meme nose on the old lady

the utopia is always one more murder away, comrade, why do you hate the people?

Of course, and nobody denies this. Our whole society is built upon using means that are not noble in themselves in order to uphold some kind of order.
And almost anyone who think the upholding of our current society is not a noble mean will defend using force to overcome it.

he just wanted to escape NEEThood

The assumption that racism is the ultimate evil is a relatively modern conception, one completely out of line with nature.

>Cuba is doing well in many aspects
Well, then it isn't doing communism right.

Regarding embargoes, Autocratic Spain and Russia (2001-2013) did well economically as well, without those embargoes. Same might be true for North Korea.

t. undergrad

>Do the ends ever justify the means?

NOT LITERATURE, DUMMIES
>NOT LITERATURE, DUMMIES
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post-grad actually

t. english lit grad

physics actually

The end is defined by the means. Look up Ends and Means: an inquiry into the nature of ideals by Huxley. I think it got re edited a few years ago.

Did you just quote Scrubs to me you fuck?

Razumikhin is the one and only hero of the book. Raskolnikov is a whiny faggot

>out of line with nature

Well, baking a cake might be boring but eating one is nice, so sure.

marx isn't a utopian though

dont forget Dunya tho

dunya is an edgy shitgirl stacy playing the martyr

svigralidov is the real hero

real hero or an hero

...

fuck you

No. But in some instances, the ethical considerations may be suspended altogether in pursuit of a higher purpose.

>it isn't doing communism right
and you're no true scotsman either