Why did Socrates do it?

He would have only served two years in jail. They only convicted him of blowing up a bridge and not being careful enough around mosques during the war. Also the bridge that was blown up was done so after he had left his post.

His sentence was 20 years I thought

We're talking about socrates damnit.

Yeah but he has already spent years in jail during the trial, and a part of sentence would be forgiven, or something similar.
Poor guy desu. Committing suicide that way is ridiculously transgressive, he had massive balls. (Legit war criminals are spineless scum that would never do this, while Pralyak actually had ideals and principles.) And now he's just a meme.

So the Nazi leadership weren't actually legit war criminals, but just visionaries with massive balls?

>nazis were the bad guys meme

Lets stick to Socrates since politics is too hard for humanities/art folks.

This. Praise Hitler and Praise Lord Kek.

Deus Vult

>Cannot stand justice
>Flee from justice and virtue
>were not the bad guys
stick to your sophistry, kiddo

>international (((clown court)))
>"justice"
read Plato's Phaedo.

>Athenian court
>Not just
Read Plato's Apology

Sorry for exposing your mental confusion.

He's right though, lets talk about Socrates not merchants and nomadic-parasite culture.

Guilty of what?

>ancient greeks
>not white

He served most of his sentence.

he actually looks like socrates a lot

It's because ancient Greeks were actually the same as modern Croats. They've migrated North to escape Islamic conquests

In origin, Socrates belonged to the lowest class: Socrates was plebs. We know, we can still see for ourselves, how ugly he was. But ugliness, in itself an objection, is among the Greeks almost a refutation. Was Socrates a Greek at all? Ugliness is often enough the expression of a development that has been crossed, thwarted by crossing. Or it appears as declining development. The anthropologists among the criminologists tell us that the typical criminal is ugly: monstrum in fronte, monstrum in animo. [“monster in face, monster in soul”] But the criminal is a decadent. Was Socrates a typical criminal? At least that would not be contradicted by the famous judgment of the physiognomist which sounded so offensive to the friends of Socrates. A foreigner who knew about faces once passed through Athens and told Socrates to his face that he was a monstrum -- that he harbored in himself all the bad vices and appetites. And Socrates merely answered: "You know me, sir!"

good post, my friend

Imagine being so retarded that propaganda from the 1930's still informs your thinking and perspective on the world.

what are you referencing? globalism?

>commits suicide
>gets compared to Socrates

These are heights that most of us can only dream of.

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RIP in peace in peace sweet wiedźmin.

Were they? Pretty sure they would be if they'd won.
I mean, were the leaders of merrica considered war criminals after what they did with napalm and shit in Vietnam?

A man accepts his destiny. Look at Christ.

>Can't be racist if there are no other races.
Now tell me, is this line of thinking leftist or right-wing?

The very notion of war criminal is a progressive liberal globalist meme.

Left wing, they love the idea of a caramel coloured generic mass. Nazis weren't in favour of exterminating all races, or any for that matter.

They were zionists in fact, they wanted to create a homeland for the Jews.

Really, really bad puns

Kys

Socrates deserved to die and the Athenian courts were 100% in the right
even Socrates recognized this

While this is partially true it is false in the sense that war crime is an aspect of global liberal power. Essentially a warlord is not above their justice. /pol/ never seems to ubderstand or want to admit that this state of affairs is an aspect of power and no amount of redpilling will change the actual power relations as they exist.

Hur dur I think violence is necessary for my political regimes. Inb4 “I think life is sacred only when it’s the type of life I agree with.”
Have you ever had an original thought in your life?

because of the owed cock

>Can't be racist if there are no other races.
>Now tell me, is this line of thinking leftist or right-wing?
Neither, or in another way both.
The left/right wing axis is not based on idpol.
Where we see similar views on racial/cultural issues on the left, and contrary views on the right, it is a correlation. It is not these issues that define left or right.
You have examples of left wingers with socially conservative views, like Otto Strasser, or right wingers with socially liberal views, such as Elon Musk.

Where does that meme come from?

9gag

What's the story?

Croatian general was denied an appeal on war crimes charge and drank poison in the courtroom and there are videos of it online he died later in the hospital.

Slobodan Praljak. He was a Croatian general during the Yugoslav wars. He fought the Mujahideen and muslim insurgents in based Sarajevo and was convicted of war crimes by the international kangaroo courts (who've never brought a single western european leader to justice), and after being sentenced to 20 years for his "crimes" (most of the time of which he'd already served), he stood up, proudly proclaimed all the charges false, and drank hemlock, which causes extreme neuromuscular paralysis and death within minutes

Kinda funny and badass way to go. He looks like goddamned silverback gorilla too.

Thank you. Tragic story but I find the meme super funny. Is the video online?

It was on youtube yesterday

>t. Never read the Crito

he didn't care and there was no way out

Yeah found it

He literally explains it in phaedo.
you can't live by and support the law and then bitch and moan about how unfair it is as soon as it becomes expedient to you .

He was a philosophy professor before he became a general. The trouble is it's not just him on trial. His country was founded during that war. A man's soul is immortal, but a nation is a fragile thing. It very well can die. With his background the choice was elementary.

It's from Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idols, the first chapter I believe

>pic
Did trepination really make such big holes? I thought the point was just to relieve pressure.

He was prosecuted for false claims. The elenchus in the Apology is Socrates countering the false claims.

He was accused of not believing in the gods of the city and belief in the gods was something necessary to be a citizen of Athens. He DID believe in the gods but not necessarily those deemed necessary by Athenian society.

He was also accused of corrupting the youth. This follows from the first accusation. Corrupting the youth pertains to the elenchus in that the audience, generally the youth of Athens, was influenced to rethink their beliefs. Citizens of Athens at the time had a mindset similar to Cephalus or Polemarchus in Book I of the Republic. Socrates exposed those who considered themselves to be experts, causing the youth to question their own beliefs.

Something similar to this is Thrasymachus' account from Book I, in which he goes against Cephalus' and Polemarchus' institution-influenced accounts to provide a different conception of justice that isn't like theirs.

Is there footage of Croatman post-poisoning? I’m curious what death by cyanide looks like. The vids I found cut to the judge.

The civic cult was only the foundation of social and cultural life. Meme socratic all you like, but premodern Greece never experienced a better social organization. His moral teachings are reflected all too well by the traitorous conduct of his favorite pupil Alcibiades. The works Plato associates with Socrates were plagiarized from the Pythagoreans, whose leader Archytas rescued Plato from the dungeons of Syracuse. Archytas was the true philosopher general, undefeated in battle, a leader of men by both word and deed, the literal embodiment of areté.

Rundown:

>Croat general who removed muslim shits in the Yugoslav war, defending Christians.
>Put on trial for (((war crimes)))
>Goes to the Hague voluntarily 15 years ago to prove his innocence
>Spends 2/3 of the sentence therefore was to be released immediately
>Court tells him he is guilty after all and sentences him to 20 years (he would still get out soon since he spent 2.3 of it in prison already)
>Says fuck your rules I go down how I want and drinks Hemlock poison like a boss.

youtube.com/watch?v=ll8-VYM5xYU [Open]
youtube.com/watch?v=v1OhsiZjpww [Open]

He said “Slobodan Praljak is not a war criminal. I reject your judgment with contempt.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Praljak

Slobodan PraljakJust was a Bosnian Croat engineer, film and theatre director, businessman, author and retired general in the Croatian Army. This madman graduated from 3 different colleges (College of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Philoshopy and Dramatic Art) all with high marks, wrote dozens of books, made plays and television series and was a Philosophy and Sociology professor .

He voluntarily joined the newly formed Croatian Armed Forces after the outbreak of the Croatian War of Independence. He formed a unit composed of the Zagreb artists and intellectuals. Although he did not have any military education, he successfully defended this position from the technically superior forces of the Yugoslav People's Army and the Army of the Republic of Serb Krajina. Then he proceeded to remove Bosniak muslim shits and the Saudi mujahedeen sent to Bosnia, who were attacking and slaughtering innocent Christians in the war.

And mind you that he voluntarily surrendered to the International Court, not caught, only for all of this fuckery to happen in the end.

Press F

Can I write a book about this absolute mad man

if he didn't drink, the executioner would have poured t down his throat

Socrates should have split, he had abettors, so perhaps Plato thought he would be more noble if he finally in the end, obeyed the state

As someone who knows next to nothing about 'The Greeks', what was Socretes guilty of: fucking too many boys, or not fucking enough?

Yes

Will you all please read the fucking dialogues... he says that anyone who wants to live is an idiot and you shouldn’t kill yourself, so he said he was fortunate to be offered an easy/early way out. Why didn’t Jesus run away if he was in an identical situation?

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The Athenian court rules that it was too many, but Socrates maintains that it wasn't enough and that with his death the dialectical method lives on forever.

>Praljak was married to Kaćuša Babić. The couple had no children, but Praljak was close to his two stepchildren Nikola and Nataša, who took his last name.

/pol/ making a cuck their hero yet again.

what the fuck is a war criminal. in war you kill people and bad stuff happens lol wtf if you lose a war you just go to prison as a war criminal like wtf even is that. sounds like some made up shit.

socrates converted to christianity and was ashamed of his sins

however, he succumbed to despair and committed the sin of suicide (and was helled)

this was known by the early church fathers, google it

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>they actually did try to pull this shit in the early church

(Because they realized that Christianity was repackaged Platonism. Philo was called a church father by some because he basically started Christianity, he invented Jesus)

Slav-shit attention whore.

how is this a cuck move? imagine some guy being so much of good father to your children that they take his name instead of yours.

name a regime that sucessfully navigated conflict without committing atrocities.

legit question though

A war criminal is who the courts and the media tell us it is.

Mine in Civ5

Making shit up and touching little boys

Jesus Christ Veeky Forums. The UN has a branch called the International Court of Justice. I'm sure you can figure the rest out on your own.

>this is your brain on /pol/

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>wtf if you lose a war you just go to prison as a war criminal
No. It is perfectly legal to go to war against other nations, but there are some general agreements on what not to do, such as using chemical weapons.

Yeah, if they had won.

>The UN

Why should I care about this organization or what its officials have to say?

Holy shit you are naive as fuck. Hague was a political court whose main objective was to ecquate gult of all sides in the war , slander injustice probably for future use when they find it convinient ti start balkan war 3 just as they did balkan balkan wars 1 and 2 as prologue into 2 world wars

Because Socrates was thinking long term legacy by his martyrdom
>fuck you faggots, history will remember as the reason democracy is shit rather than the fact that I did corrupt the youth

/ourguy/

hague is so whiny euros cry less. They cry more than ever before now. The pale-faced niggers

A man chooses.

Look at how effective modern propaganda has become. Just make something seem cringy and socially unacceptable and the debate is won. Just use a picture.

The left is anti-white

>worship genociders, mass rapists, murderers and torturers for the aesthetics of it
>rant on a japanese child porn forum about the disintegration of western morals
You fucking degenerate LARPers are so disgusting, it actually ceased to be funny.

He was in prison for 20 years

got out
they slapped a new charge on him and were about to put him away for another 20 years so he just quit