Is it worth reading his manifesto?

It is, he thinks he is Bateman pretty much when he walks on the red carpet for the Hunger Games premiere.

yes absolutely, its extremely sad

I initially read it thinking it was satire. It's fucking hilarious- bit repetitive towards the end though as other anons have said.
We both liked Land Before Time as a kid which scares me.

Reak the Unabomber's, mr supreme gentleman was just too weak to live.

It's what happens when you get thrown everything your way except a family who gives a shit about you.

Ducky ;_;

Reading these now:

>The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.
kek. He couldn't brag about his 5.43" dick being above avg after this.

I think he meant 4" bru

This is very unsettling.

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lol that's even better, bet the coroner had a good laugh

Does anyone know where I can find a hard copy? it seems unavailable on amazon

If you havn't spent much time reading incel forums, /pol/ and other caldrons of impotent rage then you'd do better to read those first. However, if you really want to take the deep-dive into the subtleties of that psychology then it's worth it.

What I found fascinating and simultaneously terrifying was that he chronicles his infancy and early childhood with about as much detail and agency as the days leading up to his death. There is literally no seperation between his 2-3 year old self and his 18 year old self. He is literally a man-child. The entire 'coming of age" story mechanic is entirely absent - instead, the only thing you get to watch change is the slow intensification of his hatred.

I found it extremely tragic that someone could so entirely forgo personal growth for just festering in one's own unresolved issues.

there are very intense parts were he dries the shit out of his resentment. his sincerity is so hard it sounds a joke but his the truth of every ugly person

I'm glad I don't have a sister. I used to listen to my older brother plow whores but that's different, if it was the other way around it would probably infuriate me. I have a friend whose sister is a whore and he's the angriest person I've ever met

It's only interesting in concept, ala the unbridled characteristics of narcissism (one can't help but think of Bret Easton Ellis). However, there is null importance in the content. The only potential positive to the work, would be any forthcoming analysis of it.

My sister is one of those types that only has sex in committed relationships.

She's had 9 boyfriends in 4 months.

It's the worst, dude. Douchebags just spilling into your house fucking the girl you grew up with and eating all of your food.

It's worth it to laugh at and understand why he was so fucked up but it has no literary merit and he even cites GoT as an influence.

>tfw no whore siblings

>mfw i have newborn baby sister
oh well, at least ill have my own place by the time she starts doing *that*

I love his accounts of splashing coffee and orange juice on couples and then running away.

Also he had counselor appointed "friends." He was literally appointed friends and he was so ashamed of that.

My little sister is gonna be 15 soon and it drives me mad what the media and "empowering" feminism is pushing, makes me despise women. Who would have thought caring for your sister would make you a misogynist

its a quick read, its hilarious, its not fake, and its eminently relatable if you are between 21 and 27

Reminds me of my wife

If you're here now than you are going to be living at home forever.

You guys are really so upset and resentful that your sisters like sex?
So then, of course you must not like sex and would certainly turn it down if you had the opportunity, right?

of course, until I'm married

>What I found fascinating and simultaneously terrifying was that he chronicles his infancy and early childhood with about as much detail and agency as the days leading up to his death.
It is part of the whole persecution complex: these people remember EVERYTHING, no matter how trivial, which can explain Why Life Hates Them. Even if something good were to come their way, say having a father in Hollywood, a BMW, a life of luxuries, etc., they would simply be unable to see it for what it was. Like Mr. Rodger, they would instead think, "Why don't women like me when I have a Hollywood father and this BMW?"

My brother has this mentality and, consequently, I can see through the transparent defense mechanisms of the average /pol/tard fairly easily.

The solution is to step outside your comfort zone, gain IRL experience, learn to move on from the past (e.g. high school bullies, a girl not paying attention to you), and take inventory of what is positive in your life. Unfortunately, most of these guys do the opposite and live vicariously online, become socially atrophied, and basically sabotage any chance of positive change. Throw in delusions of grandeur, conspiracy theories, and a rampant superiority complex, and you have the recipe for one extremely miserable individual. Not to mention you can now rage and dwell with other like-minded people from the comfort of your own home.

>mfw i have newborn baby sister
What are you, 8 years old?

I had two brothers and no sisters growing up. Only problem is that I still can't talk to women very well. I may as well be throwing clumps of spaghetti at women I'm attracted to :(

>So then, of course you must not like sex and would certainly turn it down if you had the opportunity, right?

Yes. Surprised? Some people are just moral, unlike you.

We may have the same younger brother.

iirc Eliot isn't really annoyed that his sister "likes sex", he's just angry that she gets to have it and he doesn't.

I read with intense interest and could deeply relate to a lot of what he went through. Although 'went through' is kind of a loaded term, implies that he was traumatized which obviously he wasn't; the kid led a cushy, privileged life. But nevertheless there's a special kind of misery that comes with being an upper class impotent male and I think his manifesto is a perfect embodiment. It's got everything: existential despair over not getting cute chicks, abandonment issues, internet addiction, attachment to porn, chronic masturbation, ressentiment, etc. And since he was educated fairly well he knew how to write in the classic western teleological style--it all leads up to his final heroic triumph. Very entertaining, very revealing stuff. But i'm of the opinion that his culture was just as much to blame as he was.

You're a complete retard.

> i'm of the opinion that his culture was just as much to blame as he was.
Yeah, blame the culture for a one in a million freak who goes on a shooting spree out of his extreme narcissism.
>implies that he was traumatized which obviously he wasn't
Traumatized is not the right word, but obviously he had psychological issues which made even little things "traumatizing" for him.

Calls the guy a retard
Proceeds to agree with what he said

Wew

Where did I even agree? Are you completely immune to sarcasm and lack reading comprehension?

No, wait, don't answer that. I don't want to waste my time arguing over such trite. Read my post again if you're still confused, but I will not respond to any replies.

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Weird to me that you grant him trauma while calling him an extreme narcissist. Narcissists invent traumas to feed into their image of themselves. Also that was more of a comment on the phrase 'what X went through' than anything else. Just a curious sidebar.

Anyway i don't really have the stomach for 'complete retard' and 'one in a million freak' but i guess that's what i get for expecting any quality here aside from dank memes.

o fuk

Elliot was actually the greatest dude ever and I hope he inspires more people to do as he did

I listened to the audio book and thoroughly enjoyed it. He gets really unrelatable and wacky with the lottery tickets at the end which shows his state of mind growing unstable. I liked finding similarities with him. If it were fiction or he never did shoot anybody then it would be shit but knowing what he did makes it feel alive. I'm a big fan of his except for the shooting.

>if he never did shoot anybody then it would be shit but knowing what he did makes it feel alive.
>I'm a big fan of his except for the shooting.

nice schizophrenia you got there

Nice digits, and I agree. I could only imagine how long he spent writing with the end already planned.

tfw he could have saved him.

Good posts

no. not if you're over 14

How can you say that when your punctuation suggests that you're not older than 15?

Unironically this. Rodger took himself/his peen too seriously. Coupled with not reading he was in for a bad time

He was a fucking freak, they always take themselves too seriously.

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I feel a lot like him (except for lust for murder). What's wrong with taking life seriously? Doubt you can name specific times where he thinks 'wrong'.

Rodger idealized women/romantic “love” to an extreme degree...it prevented him from contextualizing his predicament appropriately.
Undoubtedly he was right that getting his dick sucked would improve his life.

>tfw step-sister I hardly know
She goes through boyfriends every two weeks and doesn't even see the fault in it. And it's not like she's treating them as outright fuckbuddies, either; I see her cuddling and doing artsy shit with them. Even my mother laughs about it to her face. I swear, she's going to be the type to land in some abusive relationship when she grows fat and out of options. I'll never understand people like this.

I have, on multiple occasions.
I felt like an asshole, though.

It's funny to laugh at him I guess.

solid post. hadn't thought about the twisted bildungsroman aspect of it.

Gotta get this off my chest on the topic of sisters having sex. My girlfriend has a somewhat (~10 years) younger sister and hot damn does this sister have giant breasts. I mean my gf has pretty good ones, too, but her sister and even her mother have even bigger ones.
But this sister of hers now is a pretty gloomy teenager and all, who talks about being asexual and hates everyone I guess. When I was her age, I felt pretty similar, except for the asexuality. Maybe she’s not in any way asexual, just tumblr-brainwashed, who knows. Anyways, I’d have liked meeting a girl like her back then. These damn tits, I’m telling you.

>What's wrong with taking life seriously?
The thing is, he didn't take life seriously. If he had, he wouldn't have killed people because he was tortured over his insecurities. You have a small dick and are a 22 year old virgin, big fucking deal. If he took life seriously, he would have worked on himself instead of becoming pathologically superficial.

If you feel similar to him, you should disconnect and spend more time interacting with people IRL, gaining experiences, etc. If you feel so painfully alone and crave a partner, do you think living vicariously online and losing whatever meagre social skills you have will result in finding love? You have to meet people halfway, offer something, and be physically visible in the first place.

If you feel like him, you are clearly in a rut and are most likely too lazy and unambitious to try and get out of it. In previous generations, you'd at least have to work, go to the store, etc. Now you can become an even bigger hermit loser while satisfying some urges through ersatz socialization. It's a positive feedback loop that only results in you being even more miserable and less likely to succeed as time goes on.

The internet is the worst thing for many young men. It offers too much distraction: instead of becoming bored or desperate enough to actually do something IRL, you can just waste away the years telling yourself things will change.

In the words of the immortal Nard, a man is only as faithful as his options. You have no options so you transmogrify your deficiencies into virtues, e.g.: "I'm waiting until I am married". What kind of man says this, let alone a pseudo-Christian with a pron addiction and unhealthy online habits?

I'm not that guy but I'm a born again Christian. When I was younger I was a big fornicator. Going to clubs and banging chicks at every chance. During that phase you feel good but there's always a hint of emptyness with the pursuit of flesh. I eventually stopped and read into Christ and I realized why.

>1 John 2:15-17 (KJV)

>15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

>16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

>17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

I have since been at peace with myself and no longer seek out sin.

>there’s not fake theory of mind coming of age
that’s because that stuff isn’t real at all user, not everyone goes through fake trials and some people biologically will not
>he remembers everything
its called being sensitive and they don’t actually remember everything they usually had really bad experiences growing up you can’t relate to. I was slammed on my head repeatedly by much older kids in elementary school and some kid kicked me so hard in the ankle i still have injuries in that exact spot from it. He never was disciplined even once, he became a star athlete and works at his dad’s firm and makes 6 figures now, he never went to college and wad a C student in hs. has a hot gf and lots of friends, doesn’t even remember giving me concussions as a kid. Some people have venom embedded deep in their bones, crystallized waiting to be released by a catalyst like social rejection. The people whose blood is poison, whose minds are torture dungeond are not like you user. You are not like them and cannot relate, Nietzsche was right, most of the population are animals and shouldn’t be taught to read and shouod be muzzled like dogs

>that’s because that stuff isn’t real at all user, not everyone goes through fake trials and some people biologically will not

The poster never claimed everyone went through this, and in fact he specifically said man-children don't.
What's I find incoherent is that you claim this "isn't real". Are you a solipsist, are only things that happen to you personally real?

rites of passage are social constructs and are totally unnecessary to develop secondary sexual characteristics or a fully formed adult brain. sollipsism is fun yes. and “man-children” are distinct from neotenous incel spergs you hateful cunt. a manchild can have gone through rites of passage and can have a job and be married, there are legions of these types. an incel sperg is a tragic figure, a divine martyr with no cause and no heaven waiting for them. They’re the most beautiful people alive, and they’ll all die early and no one will mourn them. I think about them every single day and want to cry

I was treated like shit as a kid too. I know what it's like to be beaten up, have your bike tires slashed, dread going to school, wish you could disappear when walking through halls, make excuses to your parents why you don't do anything on weekends, etc. That was a good portion of my life. And just because I was a different person. Kids pick up on that and are highly opportunistic and aggressive, it's an evolutionary thing.

Big deal. You've learned that the good are not always rewarded and the bad often don't get what's coming to them. Instead of moving on with your life and being happy, you've chosen to let those kids control you long after they've gone away. He probably rarely thinks of you, yet every day you are chained to his memory.

Being a miserable fuck and building a shrine to the memory of schoolyard injuries and slights is of no consequence to anyone else but you. Your reaction to a bad childhood is quite common among hyper-sensitive, narcissistic people with persecution complexes.

My past is like yours, the only difference is that I didn't let my childhood dictate the rest of my life. These memories are largely academic to me now, because I've moved on to bigger and better things. I can tell by your post that these wounds have festered and have only gotten worse. At this point, it's up to you. Man up and get over the trauma or let it define your life. At least it gives you a handy excuse for not being successful.

>man up
>narcissist
>he isn’t troubled by his crimes but im troubled bu the injuries i sustaine that scarred me
>nervous damage from stress isn’t real
>the strong can maim and run away with good justification
>you must be like him, he was stronger
>i was just like you
>im just like you trust me
lol

Yes you are the only person who was harassed and bullied as a kid. You were traumatized and epigenetic changes prevent you from being happy. No one can possibly understand you and there is no way you could try to turn your life around.

The sad thing is, you are probably 25+ but you have the emotional intelligence of 15-year-old. Get over it, it's pathetic.

Damn, the way you characterize it makes it sound like if the main concept of an anti-bildungsroman where the protagonist ages but doesn't develop and becomes insanely frustrated would make a good novel if taken up by a good author.

(also glad to see actual analysis and discussion on Veeky Forums too desu)

womameme detected

>rites of passage are social constructs and are totally unnecessary to develop secondary sexual characteristics or a fully formed adult brain

Do you have any examples of individuals who don't overcome conflict who are fully developed as human beings?

Your misuse of "social construct" is noted.

>the strong can maim and run away with good justification
Besides social constructs and fiction, why would you ever expect a justification? Are you so disconnected from nature that you genuinely believe people who are mean will get their comeuppance because of karma?

Chads and Staceys get everything handed to them and praised for working hard. Ugly males have to work for everything and still get insulted. I can understand that and the people claiming otherwise in this topic don't fool me

Does that smug sense of superiority actually help you in your life? Have any real important achievements you can share? Such petty animals always looking for reasons why they're better than their peers.

lmao tripfag

You attach values to superficial things that can be taken away from you, that's your problem. A chad can become a undesirable if his face gets messed up in a fire or an acid attack and the same goes for a stacy. Perhaps you should attach values to things that cannot be taken away from you so easily, such as development of character and wisdom.

Stronger genotypes are typically more successful; mates recognize this based on phenotypic signals (e.g.: optimal secondary sexual characters) and thus the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This is the basis of evolution and the mechanism which has resulted in your existence.

Thankfully, we are a species which lives in complex societies, and reproductive success can be improved via fitness proxies besides physical characters. For example, wealth, an enviable career, a charismatic personality, creativity, etc.

You can either fight nature and be at odds with yourself until you die, likely alone, or you can embrace it. And there is nothing wrong with working hard and getting the prize by a more circuitous route.

Not the guy you are responding to, but I disagree with this at a fundamental level. Why should an incel embrace nature? Nature is an ugly process and telling an incel to embrace nature is equivalent to asking an abused person to accept his abuser who has put him in such a predicament. Perhaps an incel should dedicate his life to the synthetic gods since technology and the progress of capitalism means the death of nature. To stick to nature and the whole process of evolution by producing synthetic beings that outclass biology, or any children of nature.

Embracing being an "incel" and essentially being unsuccessful by virtually all metrics is a pathetic choice. But yes, if you take this path you should definitely just keep living at home with your parents and keep connected at all times. There really is nothing out there in the real world for these people, so it's either suicide or try to squeeze whatever distraction you can out of the void.

It will be interesting when the parents of these people begin to die off and they have an inheritance to spend on manchild diversions. Not to mention they will be completely irresponsible with their newfound wealth and the resulting short-lived lifestyle will be amusing to document.

i don’t care about evolution im a sovereign being ill do what i want, I’ll rape nature to death if i have to

Exactly. Fuck nature.

that guy is a giant pseud, he’s not nice either. he’s better than the irony faggots but he just uses idealism memes and mixes them with sci-fi art from the mid 20th century and then gives it a right wing bent. Its not interesting, his best work is long-form and are almost always reviews of other people’s writing or films. I like Kantbot but he is a pseud and he’s a mean spirited person who associates with pieces of shit and he backed up a pedo sociopath for about 2 years at least and it was blatantly obvious that the person was a pedophile and there were jokes about it constantly and he ignored it. The rosicrucian personal meme is funny and i like how he denies logic exists and that the self you create is eternal and that you can’t undo misdeeds or cover them up, all that esoteric kantian shit. But it won’t change that he’s intellectually bankrupt. I don’t care if he and the others see this.

>being moral isn't the ultimate achievement
alright, satan

>im a sovereign
Yet you are chained to your computer and unable to maintain eye contact with women, let alone talk to them. Nature has already beaten you friend; your genes are a recipe for failure and you lost precisely at the moment of your own conception. Millions of years of evolution, your ancestors voices still echoing across time and space, and one sperm and one ovum meeting despite immeasurable variables trying to keep them apart. All to produce a loser permavirg who spends his gift of existence online.

Find a 2D waifu, embrace VR, and eat in excess. Live my friend, LIVE!

I do have a girlfriend, so the option is there.

Nature can't beat you if you are not even playing it's game. Capitalism will soon enough kill nature when the age of synthetic beings come in to play. The laws of evolution will no longer apply to these higher beings and they will rightly do away with our miserable existence; thus, ending nature's "crowning" achievement.

You’re already in the game bitch. Just because you take your eye off the ball doesn’t mean you can’t get dunked on and kicked in the teeth

Maybe I will get "dunked" on but I can rest assured that the death of my abuser is coming.

Does being moral include actually helping anyone and advancing humanity, or just telling people you're better than them because you don't (can't) have sex?
So glad we have a ton of moral, upstanding people here to judge and ridicule us and tell us we're dirty sinners and less than them.

Make him wash his hair, grow a decent stubble or shave, get him a nice haircut, and he’s not bad at all.

It’s not nature, it’s apathy towards your looks. It’s laziness and cowardice.

I'd say that it's worth reading. There are a couple parts that I found downright hilarious.

The first is when he was addicted to World of Warcraft, spending 12+ hours a day in Azeroth. And in WoW, he would try to explain his views on women and society, this new ideology that he was formulating. The mental image of Elliot and James as their WoW characters, having a back and forth conversation like in the South Park episode, except this time it's about concentration camps where women will be starved to death, had me burst out laughing.

The second, even funnier part, comes right before he's shipped off to Morocco. I won't spoil it, but if you're going to read anything from My Twisted World, read that.