Everyone wants to fuck their mom

>what is subconsciousness?

Reproduction.

Don't make me say it

Denying your nature isn't intellectualism, it's egocentrism.

>teleology

luh mayo brainlet

People desire what they don't have by imagining what it feel to have it. To create that imagination, they pick up from what the world says and from one's own personal experience.

We don't desire nourishment and human contact, we always desire more than that. It's not that "people desire the things they desire", but that people desire what they believe it is missing from the experience and this experience is always subpar to the primordial one.

It also has nothing to do with efficiency, it's not like we are made for something specifically. We don't have sex because we want to reproduce, we have sex because we enjoy it.

Humans evolved for one main reason and whatever we say is simply designed to further this reason, even your favorite philosopher's sayings go along with that by saying the "self" aka our personal biology is what matters.

Most other animals don't derive pleasure from sex, so why do they still have sex? Because if they didn't then they wouldn't pass on their genetic code and wouldn't exist to begin with.

>evolved

You can tell Veeky Forums is full of pseudo intellectuals because they love Freud and think everything he says actually had some merit to it.

Humans also evolved to shit in bushes, so what

t. Accepts the liberal myth that orthodox psychology is worth shit

We're still good at shitting in bushes, sitting toilets are actually horrible for us and it's an example of denying our nature.

And guess what, I'm not going to start slav squating every time I take a dump

My mom was pretty cute when she was younger based on pictures and I prefer women that look like her. Is that what he meant

Based purely on artificial, social aspects, you would shit squatting just fine in asian countries for example.

No based on the fact its more comfortable to sit on a fucking seat

>not squatting while taking a shit in 2017
>calling yourself civilized
Good luck with your bowels

t. Poojeet

It's only more comfortable in a superficial way, sitshitters have to deal with hemorrhoids, slow movements and halfway-through shits.

Denial of our nature, you only think it's better because it makes you look more "honorable".

This is the power of German thought

>Freud thread descends to shitting in 20 posts
having this much neuroses, why are you all being so anal?

>evolved for
I repeat:

>teleology

luh mayo brainlet

Having a word to tangentially define my arguments doesn't mean they're any less wrong.

>less wrong
I meant "less right" fuck, is this a freudian slip?

BTFO

Look bro, we can't say anything of what animals desire or not because they can't speak (not because they feel or not, think or not, are complex or not, not the point).

I know for sure though, that animals do not know about genetic codes, nor do they express any sense of concern for preserving the history of their species or any of that.

Don't get me wrong, I get what you're saying, but the facts that lead animals and people to survive and to exist are secondary when we are talking about what people desire. Desire is a form of relationship to things, it includes the subject.

The facts, the evidence, point out, obviously, that everything that survived was able to survive and everything that was able to reproduce itself was reproduced. That doesn't mean they "wanted" to do it, you know? They wanted to rub warm moisty parts together because it feels great. If it didn't feel great, they would not survive, but the answer to the "wants" of people is besides that. That's why we are attracted to some people and not others and why relationships have good times, bad times, can break apart and so on. What's at stake is much more than reproduction, but all these values that language has brought to us and the mess that it is to try and have what you want and not be cast away by your society.

>Most other animals don't derive pleasure from sex

Where do people get this idea from?

>tfw whites in the ye olde days didn't understand how jewish projection worked

Brain scans, that's as objective as we can get for now.

You ever watched two meerkats fuck?

You are right that we desire more than just reproduction, but what we desire is simply for making sure that our offspring (or the offspring of someone genetically similar) continues to live on, you have people like murderers that "don't make sense" in this context, but they are shunned by society which seeks to further its own genetic continuity.

I had a really cool book about cats and some of the chapters break down the cat society, you have the lookouts that warn about any incoming danger, the mothers that take direct care of the offspring, the male that protects the area around the litter, etc. They do these things not by some special conscious effort but simply because they evolved to do so.
I think humans do the same, all the complexity of our society is simply evolutionary code, we aren't consciously aware of this because understanding what we are doing requires more brainpower than just doing it.

No because he was a prevert, but nonetheless this is the case for healthy people.

This image causes me actual, physical pain knowing I'll never experience it.

This is just a typical gf, not mommy.

Pretty shakey

Be my typical gf.

I'm not a girl, sorry.

>not a girl
>uses Disney princess reaction gifs
This is a Freud thread. Got anything you'd like to admit?

This would annoy me so quickly you have no idea

I like posting cute girls because I want to fuck the cute girls.
Or does this make me a cuckold? I'm basically sharing my wife.

It makes you strange and poorly adjusted, son.

My taste in womyns are nothing like my mom tho.

I don't think that's right but we're on Veeky Forums so it must be true.

Neither I or Freud would disagree with that. In fact Freud was well schooled on evolution at a time when it was really controversial. Our society IS a continuation of evolution.

I think you are differing in your conception of desire. Desire is something that goes on within you when you feel you lack something. It's something that is there before you reach a thing. I can desire a food, but hate it when I eat it. That's why it's not so important the thing in itself, but what people say to themselves on why they want a certain thing, what they think they will get when they reach it. This is complicated, imagine career dillemas, or choosing between partners, or moving to new city or not, going out one night or not. People are drawn by different desires, even to the same things.

This is why it doesn't matter if the animals feel good or not, their desire (if you can say it is there) is inaccesible to us because they can't put it into words. They can't talk to us about why they want a certain thing. A man takes his son to see Spiderman movie. You ask them why they are going, the kid says because Spiderman walks on walls, the man says it makes his son happy and that makes him happy. You can surely "investigate" the underlyings of what they are saying and understanding it's just another chapter of trying to reproduce and survive disguised as a movie going experience. But to desire, the disguise itself is the important thing, it is the object of discussion in psychology. The kid is literally moving his body towards the movie theater because he wants to see the man who walks on walls.

While evolution made us the way we are, that does not "close the circle" on us, it is not an orderly process. We survived not because we are best, or perfect, but because we were not as bad as to die before. In a similar way, in society and in human relations, things are not perfectly justified. People desire things they later understand to be bad for them, or they use childish strategies to get what they want even when it is not working anymore. A major point of psychanalysis and psychology in general is precisely to understand on how we are able to do that to ourselves. When Freud was treating his patients, he was asking the patient directly on why they were doing what they were doing and learning to listen to them in spite of what "nature appears to dictate" to them. That's why his theory begins by looking at us as animals with the function reproduce and to sustain ourselves and then develops to try and explain how we deviate from that to the complexity of our relationships.

Good. At least my mother is a milf.

>7trillions of people
Guess we evolved too much, i want to go back

I always thought that was a meme, but all the women I am into somehow have my mother's features.

It's fucked my man.

you type like a fucking retard

Woah buddy, take it easy

Childhood is thinking Freud is a perveted pseud.

Adulthood is realising he was always right.

Sigmund Fraud is a fucking meme, nothing that he said has any scientific basis.

Psychology isn't a science and neuroscience cant explain the brain beyond their neurochemistry.

I broke up with my gf when I realized she was acting like my mom

Which proves your traumatic realisation of your own repressed desire

>unfalsifiable armchair psychology

>an user pretends to be a psychologist basing himself in a caricature he has in his mind

>an user takes the other user to be proof that the caricature he has in his mind is true and which shows how psychology is awful

Both step out of thread happy about their contribution and very glad for the knowledge that they have and yet both are dumber.

>not literal
Then what's the point?

Maybe the whole mental experience is just neurochemistry, how about that

Well, most people tend to be closer to their family than nonfamily. The only thing stopping you being attracted to your female relatives (or reverse, if you're a homo), is the way you perceive them. They're perfect partners in that you are already intimate and share a lot of similarities, possibly emotionally-dependent already too. If you break the inhibition that doesn't allow you to see them sexually, then...

>evolved for
No such thing. "Meaning/purpose" is all projections. You can discern mechanics and call it an approximation of reality, but any further "meaning" is just the (useful) delusion of organisms. Btw you have no idea what "evolution" in terms of organisms, means.

For you maybe, but not objectively and not absolutely. Squatting is better for you, especially spine and internal organs. If you squat more than sit, squatting will be more comfortable. This applies in general, not just shitting, though it's particular bad to sit-shit.

>neuroscience cant explain the brain beyond their neurochemistry
>let me vaguely talk about a huge subfield, that is in turn interweaved with other huge biology subfields, that I know absolutely nothing about except perhaps from some analogies of a student-philosopher's blog and popular, baseless opinion

>Maybe the whole mental experience is just neurochemistry, how about that

Meaningless reductionism. One could just as well say there is no neurochemistry simply particle physics and so on

Explain why I'm attracted to the opposite of what my mother is and why I hate these kind of people

Our mothers managed to pass on their own genetics and raise us long enough to be fertile.

They're also the most basic idea of a female we have.

pleb

>German

If you go to porn sites and analyze the most watched videos 8/10 are about incest.

...

>everyone wants to fuck their mom
Veeky Forums is such a shitty place. If you make a thread that goes "why is Africa such a cold continent?" people will go on lenghts about the reasons without considering that it isn't.

Freud never meant that you literally wanted to fuck your mother (unless you'd say to him, that could be, who knows but you). Sexuality doesn't mean (only) "to fuck", sexuality is an energy of desire, it's something that is involved in making art or fighting, or in buying a given product, in eating and shitting. All of that is just as much of sexual experiences as coitus. That's why a child is also a sexual being, with the formation of desires. It doesn't mean the child wants to fuck something, because "to fuck" is a construction of another phase of life that appears when you are a teenager. To Freud we are born bissexual, maybe pansexual. The desire of a baby is placed everywhere, because everything is this incredibly intense experience of colors, people touching you, feelings of pain, which the parents know is hunger but that you don't even know what to call it, jumpscares, tickles, feelings of abandoment, etc. Imagine that one day you had to learn that when someone leaves a room that person does not cease to exist. Anyway, as we grow, we learn not to desire a few things and desiring others, preferences appear, not only in terms of being straight or gay, or blond or brunette, but also in which way we like or dislike to be seen by others, what eating habits we have, your lifestyle, the way you relate to your desire. That's what it means when he is talking about sexuality, which is very different from saying "Freud just saw sex in everything", but that people just see "to fuck" in sex to begin with.

Psychanalysis acknowledges that it listens to its own times, that is to say, it depends on the time and place in which people are talking about stuff. Think of the family structures of rich people of Vienna in 1900, think of how traditional and rigid they were. Freud did mean "mother", but because it was the people in the clinic who were telling about her. They were free association, Freud didn't guide the conversation, just asked about important things that the patients brought up themselves. The famous "tell me about your mother" is nothing less than a joke on something he could have said after you were telling some story that reminded your mother, he just "fished" what you said and asked about deeper relationships to it. He noticed that in the speech of everyone that lied in the couch to talk about whatever they took the conversation to how their family treats them, all the fights and connections, issues from childhood, etc.

cont

cont
Psychanalysis changed a lot since Freud, though in its core is the same, which is a paradox that can be explained by the principle of this sophisticated listening technique that marks psychanalysis and make it so adaptable. Some people think psychanalysis equals Freud and call it outdated, but it's always very actual. And it is in a later development that mother and father began to be understood by something more of a position, a room that can be filled with other things, that is to say, functions. This occurs because people were talking about their familiar relationships differently, but the same processes described by Freud (the Oedipus complex and so on), were still being described by the patients disguised as something else. That's when the underlying structure of it appeared more clearly.

"To fuck your mother and kill your father" is basically a little story that codifies part of our own story, one that we all have to deal with, as it was heard from the patients. We desire a thing because we imagine it would repeat our previous satisfaction, and a previous one, and one before that... and that we always have to deal with the """unfairness""" of the world that we can't always get what we want, that there are rivals, that we have limitations, that we can't have it all. "Mother" is this from which you came and were both one creature before you separated into being yourself. What pushes us to do all the things we do in life is the apparent similarity of those new things to the things we remember from this full contact, to merge with other people and the world, that's "sex". "Father" is this which seems to be telling your role in life beyond just receiving from mother, thus the one to tell what to do and what not to do, threatening and acting as an obstacle between you and this full contact with the world.

How we deal with this is particular to which one of us.

but porn always specifically says young NOT son fucking NOT mother

it's the farthest from incest you can get. at least in the other porn you don't know for sure.

Repression

>I don't want to fuck my mom
Then why do you? She only does it to please her little lambkin, after all.

I really dislike my mom though, what now Freud?

Just Second-Circuit mammalian politics, man.

This is a great explanation desu.

It's kind of funny because if you are attracted by the opposite of your mother, you are still there looking at girls by your mother's standard. To Freud and, well fuck, to psychology in general, the contrary of love is not hate or even aversion, the contrary of love is non-love, it's indifference. In the same way, the opposite of hate is non-hate, indifference. Hate and love are two poles of the same thing: affection.

>t. jew

I've had one of these, it was actually rather nice.

>it's unfalsifiable, therefore it must be untrue

why would this be the case? Anything you say about your emotional state is "unfalsifiable," but you have emotions, don't you?

projection is a psychoanalytic concept. you're gonna have to try a little harder than that, goyboy

I always agreed with him cause my mother always created my hardest erections during masturbation, doesnt help that she still is hot...but anyway I just came to terms with my insanity and moved on.

Isn't this more Lacan than Freud?

Repression

This is the best post I’ve read on Veeky Forums

Wasn't his point that people want to fuck people with similar traits to their mother and not their literal mother because something something childhood?

Read the thread brainlet

WHEN THEY'RE BABIES, THEN THEY SNAP OUT OF IT. JESUS CHRIST, OP

Unless you just spread your fucking legs and lean forward.