What does it mean to undergo ego-death and what does it tell of the person who desires it...

What does it mean to undergo ego-death and what does it tell of the person who desires it? I want to be a writer and separate myself from any type of self-indulgence that could reduce the quality in my work.

I want to marry Tomoko-chan!

I want to suffer for Tadzio!

I don't think ego death is what you're looking for. I don't think you'll be able to write at all during ego death.

>teleports behind you

It means nothing its just bullshit headshop mysticism like when people used to talk about "out of body experiences" before that term wasn't trendy anymore

>go to psychedelic/mystic communities
>ask what "ego death" is
>ask 99 people
>get 101 different answers

At least Leary had the decency to try to flesh out what he meant by the term, but now it means a wide range of mutually exclusive states.

Wanting to a be... is a self-indulgence, instead of worrying about that just cultivate absolute, manic obsession with your work. Allow it to cannibalize every moment of your life, until there is nothing else.

>what does it tell of the person who desires it?
The way to end desire is not desire, you goddamned idiot, go shop somewhere else

>ask for description of ineffable experience
>frustrated when answers are non-determinate

It's like asking about love m8. Of course you're going to get a different answer each time with a few common threads running through them all.

It's a bait. It preys on the ignorance of drug culture.


Sick faggots, wait on the sidelines, and pounce on the opportunity to show people the consequences of naivete.


Psychedelics were developed as a form of psychological warfare meant to feign godlike powers in the hands of one's enemy.


Now it can be used by anyone. It's like a bear trap set and baited in the middle of the woods for no other reason than to watch your captor in excruciating pain, telling them it was their fault for being hungry, while you stroke your own ego, and revel in the absolute deterrent that is your malice.

Just consume any sort of psychedelic drug and stop asking non literature threads

Depends on what you mean by "ego-death." If it's in relation to psychedelic drug use, PsychologyToday (in b4 someone makes snide comment) has this to say about their personalities:
"Psychedelic drug users endorsed more mystical beliefs (such as in a universal soul, no fear of death, unity of all things, existence of a transcendent reality, and oneness with God, nature and the universe). Psychedelic drug users also said they placed greater value on spirituality and concern for others, and less value on financial prosperity, than the other two groups. This accords with findings from another study (Móró, Simon, Bárd, & Rácz, 2011) that found that psychedelic drug users regarded spirituality as more personally important compared to users of other drugs and non-drug users. Spirituality in this latter study was defined as “one’s relationship to God, or whatever you perceive to be Ultimate Transcendence.”

>what you mean by "ego-death."
>ego
>death


Are you retarded or just pretending to be?

You seem to have really strong opinions about this matter. Care to elaborate further?

In relatively high doses, too. For mushrooms, you'll want to take at least 8g dried, and for acid, as much as you can get ahold of at once. Unfortunately there are many novel psychedelic amphetamines now sold as LSD, so you can't be sure the acid is really acid anymore. 10 years ago this wasn't such an issue, but it is now. As for mushrooms, preferably grow them yourself. You just need spores, some mason jars, a little brown rice and vermiculite, and a pressure cooker. Throw out any contaminated mycelium.

Why isn't it called id death?

>ego-death
>ego: the empirically observable part of the Self
>this somehow dies but you still remain cognizant
>???

holy fuck psychedelic users and nu-age """""""""""spiritualists"""""""""""" are so painfully retarded

If you do a strong enough dose of psychedelics you will probably experience some sort of a loss of self, for a time You shouldn't go into such an experience seeking ego "death", but rather accept it if it happens.
It tells me nothing about you if you seek ego death other than you've bought into one of drug culture's more ambiguous aspects in a way I would consider wrongheaded.
What sort of tangible effect such an experience would have on your writing: impossible to know. You're ego doesn't stay "dead", you may come out of the experience changed, likely only slightly, but you will still fundamentally be the same person.
Do you hate yourself? Why do you fear self-indulgence in your work? Would it suffer for it?

I'm terrible at explaining things, but I'll try.

Ego death is the acute realization that your ego, the ingrained mental processes and social identity developed through lived experience, is just a "game" and that this "game" is just an evolutionary coping mechanism that's the source of your existential anxiety. Your ego isn't the essence of who you are, that's your soul, and complete ego death can only come about once you come to terms with who you really are.

Unfortunately, in my case, this only came about once I became so disgusted with my ego and the psychological harm it was doing me, that I tore it off like an old band-aid. I wasn't looking for ego death, I sort of stumbled into it. In that moment, my brain felt like one of those New Years party poppers; my third-eye was ripped open and my mind has been silent ever since.

I think ego is one of those words like selfish that should just be excised from the English language. So many people have used it in so many different ways that it has lost all meaning.

What most call "ego death" is really just a heightened awareness that materialism and reputation are dead ends. You don't need hard drugs to come to this understanding

>Psychedelics were developed as a form of psychological warfare meant to feign godlike powers in the hands of one's enemy.
Fuck no. Psychedelics have been used by tribes and ancient civilizations for thousand of years

Both

means go take heavy psychedelic doses

Psychedelics and the psychedelic intelligence associated with pantheism also plays a large role within the justification of societal development in a largely inane way, because only the most objective asshole is going to think having 20,000 burger kings or whatever is a cool idea, and the CIA knew almost rapidly you could mold just about anything to speak to the inert genius within everyone (from LSD) and to then persuade individuals based on invoking the use of their broader subconscious intellect into believing in very silly and energy-draining things (like 99% of the architecture we have) and without psychedelics we'd never be so foolish.

You seem to overestimate the amount of people using psychedelics. The LSD experiments weren't even all that successful, far as I know.
I think we can blame the general apathy and materialistic culture on something else than LSD, don't you?

While I don't think the general corporate syndicate were indulging in empathogenic rituals themselves the very awareness of higher intellect that was suddenly accessible within the easiest mass of people to mobilize made possible the course society took to a level that just couldn't have happened otherwise, and you could even argue (because these are super broad points) there were good changes, but it also made innovations to the level of power you could now attain as well to make relevant to the first post.

There were also experiments demonstrating people thinking outside of the box, being able to solve questions they couldn't Normally. Not because the questions were impossible but because it would have taken much longer in their normal mode of thinking.

What do you base this on?

If you've ever watched a television commercial since roughly the beginning of this year a lot of the personalities and humor chosen is modeled exactly from particular Twitter personas and very specifically chosen moguls and I think that's precisely because of second-hand drug logic you see that. (they're not very appealing!)

Wat

Have you been taking some psychedelic of your own, user?

If you cannot bring back anything from the psychedelics experience you are only digging yourself deeper down the rabbit hole and will be no different from a homeless person speaking no sense on the street. Just a reminder.

>that pic
My paradox is I take up that shit to get rid of those inclinations.

Have you?
Well take for example the advent of a 4-hour energy shot. A megalomaniac came up with that idea, and the framework he used to confirm that idea with himself was a psychedelic one, and yet the sadism doesn't change. You just wouldn't think, "and then we have all the people push a little more through the pipes and tubes and when the whistle goes they'll turn to the corner store then be back for more" in a pre-60's mind. There have always been mavericks, especially in the positivist connections to city planning, particularly in the 1800s with tabulation, but it had always just been something like, "Do the job and you don't really have a say". There was never a scientific exploitation of hard liquor for example.
Well it's that that I'm basing my post(s) on basically, and you're right. I'm more just flapping my gums than arguing.

>bringing something back
What could you possibly bring back besides maybe some pleasant music?

I brought back the understanding that I really shouldn't do psychedelics. Am I doomed?

I tried for almost 30 minutes to write what it feels like lol. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow if the thread is still up.

If you want to try and imagine it, remove "I" from all your thinking. Right now, "you" are not reading, but there is reading. "You" don't see the computer screen, but the screen is there. Thinking without "I" is losing the attachment point around which all perceptions are filtered. There are only the sensations--the "I" that you attribute to them is only a fiction the brain tells itself to extract some continuity from the overwhelming crush of processes constantly occurring around it. The ego muddies our perceptions enough that we're able to think of things in equivalences and thus have enough of a mental inertia, so to speak, to feel like things "make sense" and not have to constantly question the world.

Ego death, at least as the term is used in the psychedelic world, refers to when you no longer feel a sense of self and you can, for a moment, look at everything as an outside observer. Have you ever looked at yourself in the mirror and realized you've becomed desensitized from your own face, and thought "I wonder how I really look to people"? It's basically that but with your whole being, not just your looks.

stop posting mentally ill boys who are performing for exploitative homosexual predators. the next step is to meditate on a white wall for probably a week, just spend 5-10 hours a day in lotus posture with your hands in the cosmic mudra (the Zen mudra, thumbs touching at the tips, dominant hand over secondary hand, look it up if you're confused; same for lotus). Let your eyes fall a little and rest like you're half asleep, or in a trance. Watch your breathing from your nose for about 10 minutes, after 10-15 minutes, 30 for restless fucks, you should no longer be aware of your nose. The wall may warp, you may get visual snow and there's a chance you will feel dizzy. Ignore this and push through. After a few days of doing this for at least an hour-two hours you will begin feeling disassociated. Continue your "efforts" for the whole week, then come back and tell me how you feel. And stop posting traps and looking at gay porn you fucking degenerate. I suggest making verses after each meditation session, they call them formless verses. You can find an example of many of them in Zen literature like the Platform Sutra or the Blue Cliff Record

There is nothing gay about Tomoko.

wait, that wasn't obvious for you from birth and you had to take DRUGS to realize this exceedingly obvious observation?