Demons

>liberalism is full of vultures
>conservatives either become tyrannical or get shot in the face by radicals
>trying to exist outside the spectrum leads to amorality and suicide

What a bleak fucking read. Is there even room for hope in Dostoyevsky's viewpoint? Myshkin in The Idiot might be his most moral character and he ends up in a goddamn madhouse.

If you can't figure it out, Dostoyevsky is strongly against the bourgeois atheism. In that world is there is no room for Christianity and the morality that comes with it. And it has become sadly somewhat true. Atheism is on the rise and Christians are looked at as insane radicals of a bygone era. Atheists proclaim virtue without Christ, but truly there can be no virtue without Christ.

Alyosha turned out okay.

Stop worshipping foreign religions, the "christian" metaphysics are stolen from plato and overall pagan thought

>You'll never be an Alyosha
>You wish you were an Ivan
>You're just a Dimitri

Don't lie to yourself, user. You are a Smerdyakov at best.

Was gonna say this, or Rakitin

Underground Man, reporting in.

I think that's taking it too far; if there can be no virtue without Christ then either you must say that there have been Christians longer than there has been the knowledge of Christ, or that virtue is impossible for most of humanity.

What I think is true is that virtue requires real dedication to something outside yourself. For most people, you need a religious framework to give that idea meaning. Otherwise you wind up with people who only care, beyond themselves, about their friends and family. Worse, you get the conspirators in the novel, who care about the approval of their own little mob. Both of them are a recipe for the kind of regressive tribalism we see everywhere.

Stop looking for deliverance in politics. "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help."

But without christ it just doesn't work.