How can anyone read pomo novels without feeling scammed and humiliated and cucked?
Reading some fucking overly long pomo novel that is filled with lolsorandumb New Yorker magazine / liberal arts college tier """humour""" and stabs at popsci references that are fucking embarrassing (because we live in an era where """educated""" people think they can skip maths and physics education or learn it through writing) and horrifically awful attempts at social / anthropological commentary or philosophy (or even worse, someone who thinks these can be done in an intellectually worthwhile manner) while knowing this was the slop fed to you by ivy leaguer / Oxbridge publishing employees marketing the TED / Davos zeitgeist is fucking humiliating. Gravity's Rainbow, JR, DFW's fiction etc: fuck them all.
I don't blindly like old novels and I know people blidnly praise them for pseudointellectual cred in pseudointellectual ways. But when they're written serially you know they're not horrifically trying to be the next bible. And even the nu-maliest male in 1900 is not as much of a cuck as the average writer today.
Tyler Kelly
>he didn't get it most shit on degeneracy
Camden Peterson
i had a thought regarding pomo that i would like to see discussed: fiction nowadays is primarily useless outside of enjoyment or understanding of the human condition; as non-fiction (modern or not) provides arguably more clearer and less poetic explanations of what affects us and how we perceive reality, and so fiction becomes almost useless outside of enjoyment, hence the popularity of pomo novels
David Barnes
>popsci references
this is the worst
Sebastian Ramirez
it means you didn't get it
Logan Nguyen
care to explain why
Dominic Morris
>tfw writing a pomo novel right now fuck fuck fuck fuck you be stressin me, OP!
Samuel Thomas
On point. Read Alice Munro. Pure genius. The perfect refutation to that sort of nonsense.
Elijah Robinson
>being this triggered by the word "postmodern"
claim >fiction nowadays is useless support >non-fiction is more clear ????????????????????????????????? Holy... I don't even
Ayden Hughes
Is How to Bomb the US Government the best pomo novel yet?
Angel Cox
You dont understand the metaphysical forms of literature
Sebastian Murphy
Mines more popopomo, luckily
Eli Torres
Not him. Way to pseud it up though and start an argument I doubt you can even sketch out. I would have went with "you don't understand the purpose or function of art."
Adrian Evans
what should I start with?
Bentley Phillips
claim seems supported to me, someone who isn't him. Why read fiction when you can get a more precise idea of the same thing through non-fiction?
Liam Lee
Be honest, user. It's your diary isn't it?
Matthew Murphy
Thanks for sharing
Joseph Baker
N-no
John Thomas
What is the essential strap-on literature?
Isaac Ramirez
>ockham's razor seems more like an opinion to me. the two develop different capacities of the reader. non-fiction is for information and analysis. fiction is for developing a sense of self, "the other", and connects the reader to their shared past and sense of humanity. now if that sounds useless to you or like librulz feelz talk, then don't read fiction.
James Clark
Do you have anything to share on the metaphysical forms of literature? Don't let me get in your way. I'm always ready to learn new things.
Alexander Stewart
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Brayden Reed
explain further to me why this confuses you or what quibbles you have with my statement, i sincerely mean it; i'm not the brightest star in the sky so in regards to these things i'm not real good at understanding arguing explain to me what these metaphysical forms are, if you were to be so kind i thought the function/purpose of art was to express an idea that served some purpose (whether that be to capture the emotional state of someone's mind, to illustrate the magnificence or beauty or whatever of something, or to get money) via the use of a medium, be it visual such as sculpture and painting, or via other some other sense, such as music or theatre
Jackson Gutierrez
Different person here to save the day: Pomo literature is both a documentation of the degradation of the human essence through analysis (psychology, biology etc. etc.) and the frantic struggle to preserve this very essence by relocating it outside of the rational.
Justin Jenkins
They are the development of new ideas as research rather than enjoyment. Save a few books which are complete thoughts like JR, American Psycho, Feed.
Brody Young
>developing a sense of self, "the other", an connects the reader to their shared past and sense of humanity not versed so well in freud, jung or lacan, but would it not be reasonable to say that autobiographies and historical narratives could fulfill the purpose of fiction in that regard, therefore non-fiction allowing to fulfil purposes proposed by you that belong only to fiction?
Nathaniel James
Autobiographies might as well be fiction
Samuel Morris
sure, autobiographies could serve the same purpose. just to be clear, i'm not making this up. any lit teacher will tell you, harold bloom has a video on it (his interview with charlie rose promoting 'how to read and why'), google the "purposes of fiction."
i'd also say reading fiction makes you a better reader. instead of adhering to the exact usage and meanings of language, you learn the many ways text functions as a medium. one of the points of reading fiction that i see lacking itt is not to be such a "copy and paste textualist" or a "literalist." The type of person who thinks words are entities unto themselves and possess some kind of ontological essence that carries into the physical world. but it's mainly for what i said in my last post.
David Hernandez
>standing in front of rad cam, oxford yep, makes sense
Connor Taylor
You need to apply Sturgeon's Law. 90% of pomo is crap because 90% of everything is crap. Just read the creme of the crop (Pynch, Delillo, Gass, Bellow, etc.) and forget the rest.
Isaac Rogers
nothing you wrote describes gravitys rainbow in any way.
Cooper Evans
As far as I can tell, anywhere. Runaway or Hateship... were both terrific, but even what few stories I've read from her early work are great.
"Where do I start" seems like the kind of question Munro implicitly rejects. There is no grand, evolving philosophical statement, though the author's perspective and experience certainly do change with time. Embracing the conclusion of post-modernism, that there is no master-key that unlocks human experience, while retaining a relatable sense of the human; throwing out the bathwater, but keeping the baby. Tatyana Tolstoya does something similar with Russian literature in White Walls, but I don't think nearly so well as Munro.