Will Martin manage to write it?

No shit, I mean the main series. Martin's story will have been finished which is what's relevant for the books.

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I'm guessing the spinoff is going to be about black Summer Islanders cucking the men of Westeros.

he fucked up when he didn't write the time skip that he planned to do and had 30 different plots running on 10 different corners of the world and just kept introducing irrelevant side characters and sub plots on each new book instead

there's no way you can end most of those in satisfying ways, that's why the tv series turned to shit, and that's why he can't finish the books

so he either starts killing people fast or you keep extending the series for 10+ more books which he is too old to do

>He's known how he wants to story to end for almost 30 years
It's like saying Napoleon had a vision for how the battle of Waterloo would go so why did he lose. The answer to your question and the Napoleon one are the same. The events before the end were out of their control which prevented events from turning out how they wanted.
As soon as the second book starts GRRM made a huge difference from what he originally planned and everything has spiraled out of control from there. Originally it was going to be a trilogy where a several year gap between each book. But getting rid of the several year gap he had to find things for a lot of characters to do that ultimate wouldn't change anything for the main story (ie filler). Unfortunately because GRRM is a hack several of these plots have taken a life of their own and have complicated everything. He also fucked himself over bad with Danny in the second book. Literally nothing happens except she gets taken farther away from where she needs to be. He doesn't allow teleporting like in the show and the amount of time it will take for the siege to end, for her to get back to civilisation, to get her fleet and for her to travel to Westeros will be the entire next book. That only leaves one for her to do anything to justify why she was in the books at all. GRRM has no idea what he is doing.

tl/dr GRRM's shitty writing is only exceeded by his shitty planning.

Which would be a different show so he still isn't wrong.

He's also the size of a house. His spine can't bear that weight for much longer, nor his arteries that clutter.

He's a fat fuck who has been a fat fuck for years. I really don't expect him to live another twenty years. I give him around ten.

shatner is fairly hefty

I'm a fan of the series, I'm not ashamed to admit on Veeky Forums.

But there is one frustrating thing that he does.
Personally, I didn't mind the subplots in books 4 and 5. It freshened up the story after having countless Arya chapter after Arya chapter in book 3.

What does bother me though is that this guy invents an amazing world and fascinating characters, but chooses to write about the most absolute boring people, like Brienne or Samwell Tarly.

For example, there's a guy in the books named Leyton Hightower, the Lord of Oldtown. He's mentioned to have locked himself in the top room of the tallest tower in Westeros, reading magic texts.
And that's it. He's mentioned for about 2 sentences in the entire series and never mentioned again.

To me, that is fascinating and could have been the subject of a novel in itself, and there are so many other examples of this where he creates an amazing interesting character and gives them no page time.

Areo Hotar (or whatever his name was) is the worst. Literally no personality, and just exists to be a pair of eyes for the Dorne side-story.

GRRM isn't "fairly hefty", he's fucking obese.

>Dorne
>side story

>he doesn't know about Doran Martell's and Varys' master plan

I've never discussed these books with someone else. But holy shit, does everyone else fucking hate Daenerys? Her entire character is just "reee, I'm special, give me free shit right now." and then everyone else just bends over and gives it to her, I don't remember her ever doing anything clever or ever displaying foresight.
And nothing happens in the majority of her chapters either, it's just the boring slog that he likes to switch to whenever another character is doing something exciting.

Basically, George had a clear idea of what he wanted the character of Daenerys to do.
He realized that she's really important in book 1, and she most likely will be very important in book 6 and 7, but everything in between that basically has no reason to exist.
He should have just wrote her out of the story entirely once her dragons were hatched and not have her show up again until she sails for Westeros. Like he did with Theon disappearing for 3 books.

I've read all five books so quickly that I never had time to actually evaluate any of what I was reading. As soon as I finished and the hype train was over I got to thinking, and the more I thought and the more time passed I more and more I disliked it. It went from a guilty pleasure that I recognised was an airport book that was a refreshing taking on the fantasy genre to thinking that he is an awful writer who can't come up with anything interesting.

>this guy invents an amazing world
I really don't agree. Tolkien actually took time to create unique cultures and places. GRRM just makes a pastiche of a culture that's very shallow, puts a little bit of magic in it and that's it. The things they copy are far, far more interesting than his "creations". The Mongol Dothraki connection is obvious but did you know that blood of my blood is literally a Mongol saying. Dorne is just Islamic Spain, right from the peoples immigration from the continent to their architecture. The free cities are just the Italian city states except instead of a peninsula they are sprinkled upon what is effectively North Africa. This is true for pretty much place in which we spend any reasonable amount of time in. I find history far more interesting and nuanced then his pretend versions.

>and fascinating characters
Again I really don't agree. I mean there are some I like but his characters are more like a circus than anything resembling real people for the most part, and when you have that many characters it's almost certain some of the freaks will tickle your fancy. For all GRRM's attempts to write realistic people they just aren't. Saying his characters are realistic is like saying that hardcore BDSM torture porn resembles a normal fuck. You are just left with mostly fairly flat characters. That wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for GRRM putting so much emphasis on them so that it needs to be true to work. He only has of all of his characters a few that this isn't really true for. Tolkien I thought wrote better characters far more consistently but even if he didn't it wouldn't matter anywhere near as much because it's not really what the story is about, which is why Tolkien doesn't spend that much time fleshing a lot of them out.

>and there are so many other examples of this where he creates an amazing interesting character and gives them no page time
There was a time that I wanted to know more about that South American style third continent, or the pseudo-Chinese Yi Ting place. Then I realised the only reason I want to know more is because he has only hinted at it. I'm not interesting in any of his locations where we spend any time in so that if anything were to happen in those new locations the mystery would die and we would only have GRRMs bad writing and unoriginal ripoffs.

IIRC he gets less interested in writing, when he knows how the book ends.

>Her entire character is just "reee, I'm special, give me free shit right now."
She is naive. You are meant to start sympathising with her. Of all the characters her morality probably most closely aligns with our own. But when she abolishes slavery (something strongly advised against her) life actually gets much worse for the slaves and many want to return to slavery. She also royally fucked the economy. Her simplistic idea of good and bad backfired and showed how little she understands about the world. I'm not saying she is a good character but the "reee, I'm special, give me free shit right now" isn't entirely accurate.

I don’t remember half of the characters name’s anymore.

>But when she abolishes slavery (something strongly advised against her) life actually gets much worse for the slaves and many want to return to slavery.

Very insensitive and racist by Martin.

While I usually dislike it when people call Martin realistic because for the most part I really don't think he is but in this case this is realistic. That's just what would happen if you abolished slavery in a system that was designed from the ground up to have a fuck load of them.

It's still offensive toward people of color.

It felt like a very cheap attempt to get me to like her. Personally, it just seemed like another bratty outburst from her.
But things turn out ok for her anyway.

Blood of my blood is also a portuguese saying

>But things turn out ok for her anyway
Well unless you can read Martin's mind then not at all. She's in the middle of nowhere, extremely sick, abandoned by her dragon and about to be made captive to barbarians. I don't see how that's things turning out okay.
And if you are referring to the immediate aftermath of her abolishing it then that doesn't turn out well either. She ruins the city she is in, she creates by her actions people within the city that constantly kill people, she causes the surrounding cities to go to war with her. Everything that can go wrong goes wrong.

... and?

Not really. Plenty of saves were upset by the abolition of slavery, simply because they were worse off being wage slaves.
Some masters are better than wage distributors. And temporary lot slavery is just ensuring that you can never stay with a good master once found.

nigga weighs like 400lbs, hes lazy for sure. plus he has so many other projects going on, editing the wild card shit, the fucking tv shows, all these stupid things that have nothing to do with asoiaf that he doesnt really care, he is popular enough now to have a team of writers bang it out while he just puts his final stamp on it (which i think will happen in about 4 more years after he has a heart attack)

are you claiming that non-whites have a historical monopoly on slavery?

I think he's claiming that non-whites tend to be slaves more than whites.

I haven't picked up any of the books in at least two years so i can't really argue with you here.
But she did lead that slave army to capture a walled city, there's no tension when it comes to the dothraki because i already know she'll be fine.
Her story in slavers bay just reminds me of using cheats in mount and blade.

>But she did lead that slave army to capture a walled city
Which is the city where her enemies that she made because of stupid decisions are slowly killing her forces, where the slaves are miserable and dying of hunger because there is not work for them because she fucked the economy, where everyone is hungry because there is no food because the city is under siege and its port is blockaded. That's not everything turning out well.

>there's no tension when it comes to the dothraki because i already know she'll be fine.
It doesn't matter if there is tension or not. It doesn't matter if things will eventually turn out well only that the situation in the moment isn't good. It's like saying that Frodo is doing absolutely fine when he's fighting Shelob because you are pretty sure he will survive and destroy the ring.

Did you forget your meds again?

>the same people calling you a pseud for reading Vonnegut are unironically reading Game of Plebs

Wew

Personally I think user's rusing.

Wew lad. Implying that someone reading something means they like it. Implying that one can magically know how good a book is without reading. Implying that people can't become more sophisticated over time. That's a lot of assumptions m80.

Yeah, Veeky Forums is one weird dude.

How is that a contradiction? Plebs enjoy plebby things and call people who enjoy less plebby things pseuds. Such is the way of the world.

Now, if they'd called you a -pleb- for reading Vonnegut and then unironically enjoyed GoT, you might have been on to something big.

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Daily reminder

Each book in the series has taken grrm longer to write then the last. This book (assuming it is released in 2018) will have taken him 7 years to write, so it is fair to say a dream of spring will take at least 8 years, ergo it will be released in 2026 at the earliest. George is 69 years old, the average lifespan of an American male is 76 years (probably less for George since he's obese), so more likely then not George will die before finishing the last book.

>Napoleon wasn't in charge at Waterloo he was sick. Your reference therefore is shit and you should maybe read a history book before you try and make any more shitty metaphors

>And, yes, I know you all want to know about THE WINDS OF WINTER too. I've seen some truly weird reports about WOW on the internet of late, by 'journalists' who make their stories up out of whole cloth. I don't know which story is more absurd, the one that says the book is finished and I've been sitting on it for some nefarious reason, or the one that says I have no pages. Both 'reports' are equally false and equally moronic. I am still working on it, I am still months away (how many? good question), I still have good days and bad days, and that's all I care to say. Whether WINDS or the first volume of FIRE AND BLOOD will be the first to hit the bookstores is hard to say at this juncture, but I do think you will have a Westeros book from me in 2018... and who knows, maybe two. A boy can dream...
grrm.livejournal.com/544709.html

The man is simply not interested in writing this series anymore. He'd rather spend his time publishing fake histories that no one wants to read, and even THAT he can't deliver in a timely manner. Do yourself a favor and stop anticipating something that will never happen.

this

I hate to admit it but that's how it is. Even assuming he delivered, there's no guarantee WoW wouldn't be a shitfest of a book... Matter of fact, if it ever comes out it probably will.

I'm going to eat a fucking rock if he delivers it by the end of 2018 and it's a somehow passable book.

Which is false, of course.