Read Langston Hughes

So you haven't read all of the authors you listed?

While Ralph Ellison was primarily concerned with race I've found the themes in "Invisible Man" to be applicable to many aspects of my life.

thank god my father was a mulatto and his mother was a mulatto as well, what little mental capacity i have over the monkey horde is a gracious gift.

>These stories aren't exactly complex and most of them are interchangeable
Bullshit. The Bluest Eye's use of poetic imagery and symbolism differentiates it from everything else there.
>B-but I sparknoted them
READ THE BOOKS FAGGOT. THIS BOARD IF FOR PEOPLE WHO READ. IF YOU HAVEN'T READ A BOOK DON'T FUCKING POST ABOUT IT.

>one culture oppresses another culture

>dominant culture complains that oppressed culture complains too much about having a hard time of it

>oppressed culture makes dominant culture feel guilty whenever it gets the chance

>dominant culture now feels oppressed and complains they are being treated unfairly

> ?

Is this the power of this timeline?

>using an oppressed-oppressor binary and expecting to understand anything
You should just give up at this point.

What would your explanation be?

Blacks had 150 years to get their shit together. White people aren't the reason why their lives suck.

>Blacks had 150 years to get their shit together
Not really

>oppression against blacks ended after slavery ended
you are the dumbest person I have ever seen

You don't need to read every book to make a judgment about it. Some things are just self evident.

Do you listen to Insane Clown Posse's new album every time to give it a fair unbiased review?
Do you eat poison mushrooms to see if they really do kill you?
Do you travel to Mogadishu to see if it isn't a third world shithole and might actually be a nice place to visit?

No of course you don't. So get the fuck off your high horse.

Wypipo invented the modern welfare state and made abortions more restrictive

Quality rebuttal. I expect nothing less.

Look a this fag and his false equivalency
Of course you're a proud non-reader

>You don't need to read every book to make a judgment about it.
Yes, you fucking do. I'm not even going to read the rest of your post, because the sheer retardation of this sentence has me in awe.

nope it was Toni for sure, this was an advanced specimen

>You're dumb
>You're a retard

So this.....is the power of leftist argument tactics.

In order to read what is good one must make it a condition never to read what is bad.

Oh so in that case, I'm assuming you've read the complete Twilight series, the complete Harry Potter series, the complete 50 Shades series, every John Grisham novel, every Danielle Steel novel, every Tom Clancy novel, every Stephen King novel.
Because of course, you can't make a judgment on their merit otherwise right?

so why did sub-saharan africa suck long before the white man showed up?

No you don't, silly
You can read 'bad books to understand just how bad they really are
The same for 'good' books
You're just rationalizing your a-priori notions that black Americans aren't worth reading

>>one culture oppresses another culture
>Abstracting the identity of an individual author into some vague, rudimentary collective binary based on oppression
Ask me how I know you're a women

you guys are retarded because anyone familiar with even a little bit of us history could tell you that jim crow laws were still oppressing blacks after slavery ended

>I can't stop beating my girlfriend, quit heroin and get a job because white people made it illegal for me to drink out of certain water fountains

Bro they couldn't vote or go to decent schools. Why are you trolling?
Blackie managed to do alright because they had the nuclear family until the welfare state DESTROYED black fatherhood

You called me a non-reader. I read a great deal, just not your pulp.

I can't blame black American authors for writing about their experience, I'm just not interested any longer. I did like Baldwin, but forcing other, usually subpar authors into curriculum just to keep hammering racial suffering is fucking annoying.

Do you need to eat a dead sewer rat to know it's poor fare? Protip, there are other ways to discern the quality of something short of consuming it. You use related information. I don't need to read Fifty Shades of Grey to know it's trash, I can make that assessment based on who wrote it, who reads it, why it is popular, etc...

I mean, almost all of the "great" black authors are artificially "great" as explains, they are promoted based on agenda, not merit.

Take Toni Morrison for example, she didn't win the Nobel prize when her books were released/relevant, what followed was a giant fucking protest/chimp out by the left and whopptidoo, suddenly she wins it in 93. Look it up, this happened. This happens everywhere, all the time.

you keep using a false equivalency
avoiding eating food that will make you sick is not the same as reading authors you are prejudiced against

black authors do get shilled by white guilt cucks but that doesn't mean they don't have something to offer

you're being purposelessly close-minded for political reasons. there are plenty of reasons to dismiss these authors but those stem from merit which you can only point out of if you actually read them

the female black authors are nigh irredeemable tho

>like Baldwin
Fyi OP Baldwin did write a book that had nothing to do with race called Giovanni's room. It's actually quite good, I reccomend it
no homo

How is the equivalence false? The point is simply you don't need to be personally familiar with an act to have some understanding of it. Are you retarded?

There are biological mechanisms to determine if food is unsuitable for consumption. You have no control over the physiological response, i.e. gagging and vomiting. Nature selected for these traits. You then can generalize the greater class of spoiled food.

The mechanisms to determine if literature is unsuitable for consumption are cultural. Your prejudice against black authors is not innate. It is a post-hoc justification for your intellectual laziness.

>read Dumas
>wow being a french bachelor is awesome

>people writing about their life experiences

imagine that

Why don't they make a book about what it's *really* like to be black?

The world through the eyes of a black person is vastly different than the world through the eyes of a non-black person.

For example, blacks have a very low iq, yet they are still functional where a white person would be retarded. Do you know what this means in terms of perception? It means everything in the world is vaguely threatening, occasionally magical. The motives for other people's behaviour are never truly clear and events are understood in a loose connect-the-dots fashion.

Often times the external world is so perplexing that black people instead create their own reality. This manifests in fake history, blind belief, and skewed interpretations of straightforward knowledge.

Unfortunately the closest you'll ever get to a black person communicating this (for they are so dim in consciousness that self-assessment is impossible) is via their unashamed use of broken english.

In the US segregation (legal discrimination against them) didn't even end until the 60s. Also

>be extremely poor after slavery, pushed into ghettoes
>have and raise children in extreme poverty, violence and drugs ensue
>most of the society outside of them discriminates against them, won't give them opportunities, blame them for the violence and drugs
>these children similarly grow up poor, can't escape the ghetto, cycle repeats

But user, I already read things written by retarded people. One example would be your post.

>The mechanisms to determine if literature is unsuitable for consumption are cultural.
>there's no such thing as good literature, all literature is equal
>das racist
compelling argument

One of my most vivid childhood memories is my class being led in literally chanting MLK's name in the 2nd or 4th grade by a music teacher. It was pretty wack.

Read Sowell, then come back here and tell me his message is "being black is hard".
>inb4 he gets accused of "acting white"

Dude, Sowell is honorary

Who do they blame for becoming enslaved in the first place then? Is there no point where their lot becomes their responsibility?

Say what you want, he's still black. If you're OP, your post is shit.

I don't believe in white guilt so it's not really a question to me of who to blame, rather that we shouldn't blame an entire community for admittedly kind of sucking a lot (with rampant drug abuse, violence, and poverty) when there's so much historical weight against them and it's hard to reverse this historical weight in the snap of a finger.

Fuck off faggot I'm not the OP, I came here to laugh at you

EPIC burn, dude!

What is your point here anyway?
>Sowell is great in his field, therefore Baldwin is worth a damn
What kind of person finds value in both Sowell and Baldwin?

Why wouldn't you blame them? I don't understand, they are where they are because of their ancestors. Same with anyone else.

>You don't need to read every book to make a judgment about it.

It's the typical liberal delusion that people are totally malleable and that functionality can occur in a vacuum, it's this little mental gymnastic they play while separating the worthiness of someone from their actions "oh but he could have been a good person" that's not how causality works retards.

I'm saying that there is bound to be black literature worth reading, it just may not be mainstream.

Race isn't real, never mind clear and obvious distinctions between supposed races and their circumstances.

>there's no such thing as good literature, all literature is equal
>das racist
You're attacking a straw-man and not my argument at all.Don't be a witless coward.

You don't even know if I like these authors or not. The point is that you have no justification to dismiss authors outright without a thorough examination of their work.

That is not what it is like to be black, it is what it is like to be retarded. You could make the argument that there are more retarded blacks than whites, but not ALL blacks are retarded, and even if you believe that, it is evident that not ALL retards are black. The skin colour of a retarded authour is not really important.

Sorry but that sums up your post perfectly, I made no claim about you liking any authors or not, yours is the strawman.

There's a perfectly valid justification to dismiss authors without directly examining their work, by examining it indirectly, who reads their works, who wrote it, why you're talking about it right now and so forth. In the case of the majority of black authors, those who read it are indoctrinated morons or forced school children, those who write it are fungible indoctrinated morons with racial handicaps cashing in on nu-society's glorification of victimhood, and so on.

You really think it's unreasonable to dismiss, say, a popular children's story as not real art or literature without having read it, based solely on the fact it's written for and appreciated by children? I don't fucking believe you, and neither do you I bet.

Completely based author that always BTFO race-baiters

Idiots ITT are ignorant because they don't like to read and they hate blacks

>The skin colour of a retarded authour is not really important.
Are you familiar with the concept of probability?

Isn't this guy just an uncle Tom who tries to sell books through the controversy of being a black republican? Everyone's got a fucking gimmick these days.

were you born this stupid or was it the fact that your head was up your ass since you were(are?) a teen?

he's not a republican
calling him an uncle tom is character assassination based on his race
you should be ashamed of your ignorance

He's not a Republican though. You can say what you want about how Republicans have endorsed him, but he still is and always was politically independent. He's had several chances to run for office, and he's never taken any. Just read his stuff if you want to know more about him.
>uncle Tom
You really are racist, aren't you? Every minority who doesn't agree with the progressive agenda that minorities are little babies who can't take care of themselves and need to be coddled are "uncle Toms".

>he's not a republican
>He's not a Republican though.

2 seconds of looking him on youtube suggests otherwise, you can find him shitting on Obama for basically no real reason and even doubting climate change, he's completely in line with party politics producing some of their best soundbytes as 'their' black.

Those are independently formed assertions though, he's still independent.

Do you have any actual rebuttal to prove me wrong? Or are you guys just going to keep saying
>wow....i literally can't even....

You people can't form an argument or basic logic to save your lives. It shouldn't be a mystery at all why leftism is crashing everywhere around the world and the narrative is shifting towards the right wing. People everywhere are tired of your bullshit.
Your lives are only going to keep getting more miserable unless you start incorporating facts in your arguments somehow.

>Sorry but that sums up your post perfectly
No, you're empirically wrong.

>perfectly valid justification to dismiss authors without directly examining their work
This is intellectual laziness at it finest. You're not interested in engaging with new ideas and point out their merits or flaws. You only want to preserve your personal bias.

Invisible Man was actually pretty good.

I have no bias, I just recognize reality for what it is. You can't even substantiate your disagreement in any way, you've yet to do so once, all you can do is scream prejudice without engaging the argument whatsoever. It's tiresome.

Wow great thread... thanks /pol/

>I have no bias, I just recognize reality for what it is

Am I speaking to THE J.B Peterson?? It's an honor, sir.

This is unironically probably the best thread Veeky Forums has had in weeks. You should be thanking me for giving you actual discussion instead of another Joyce or Rupi Kaur meme thread.

Yeah the real victims are white men like us. Where's our glory?

>No I don't need read to books in order to determine whether they're good or not
>Yes you do
>No I don't
>Yea you do
>No I don't
>Repeat ad libitum

Fuck off and die.

Do you think The Hunger Games is a good book? Have you even read it?

You really don't need to read a book to judge it though. It's not even up for debate.

Since you're a hypocrite faggot, you probably did it a half a dozen times today already.
I'm sure since you're a raging cuck, you probably automatically dismiss writers like Ayn Rand without having read her.
>dude like....my professor said Ayn Rand sucks, so...I'm not going to read it lol

We all do it, so don't get up on your holier than thou pedestal and claim you don't.

>You really don't need to read a book to judge it though. It's not even up for debate.

No
Yes, when I was 15, it was a gift from my uncle.
You're confusing selecting which art you want to consume with actually formulating a judgement. Do you think the Jerusalem Delivered is a good book? Have you read it?

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>Yes
See, I was right to completely dismiss all of your opinions. You're clearly a retard. There's the door.

What's the lit equivalent to Gucci?

>I'm sure since you're a raging cuck, you probably automatically dismiss writers like Ayn Rand without having read her.

Never said a bad word about Ayn Rand in my life, and I'm not even American so I never heard one of my professors say that she sucks. You're projecting.

>i'm ignorant and so are you
Da fuck?
You don't know me.
Not everyone is a stupid boomer like you.

christopher moore

I like Langston Hughes desu.

Woah... so this is power of "basic logic"... I'm impressed.

>You guys don't actually read non-whites and take them seriously right?
Nope, but I'll never utter a word of it outside of my beloved mongolian basket-weaving consortium. You get crucified for speaking the truth in the real world.

>person literally eating their own feces in the middle of the road
>thinking they have a shred of wisdom to share

>looool ur Le Dumb because you read a book on which you didn't know anything about that was a gift by your uncle when you were young and clueless

BASIC
LOGIC
MUDAFFAKKKKKKAAAAAAAS

Shitting on Obama and doubting climate change isn't Republican only positions.